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    Maybe we can make a mini-event out of it.

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    Was going to, but rain makes the field under the space needle horrible.

    Last year, they closed gates at 11:45 PM to 12:15 AM, nobody in, nobody out.

    And I could smell weed EVERYWHERE. What a way to start off the new year.


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    Poosharker wrote:
    Was going to, but rain makes the field under the space needle horrible.

    Last year, they closed gates at 11:45 PM to 12:15 AM, nobody in, nobody out.

    And I could smell weed EVERYWHERE. What a way to start off the new year.
    Maybe I can score some! Yay!

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    OH, if only it were legal and jobs didnt test.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    Shouldn't be legal.I always tested my staff when I was working was able to weed out (pun intended) a few over the years.Yeah I fired them.

    Once or twice a month I would take the rest of my staff out for drinks.

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    DEROS72 wrote:
    Shouldn't be legal.I always tested my staff when I was working was able to weed out (pun intended) a few over the years.Yeah I fired them.

    Once or twice a month I would take the rest of my staff out for drinks.
    because toxic addictive mind altering substances are better than nontoxic, nonaddictive ones.

    anyway, gates close at 11. crazy christians out in force. rain is minimal, temp is comfirtabke. no firearms signs are out.

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    http://www.qik.com/grishnav for m occassional live shots

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    DEROS72 wrote:
    Shouldn't be legal.I always tested my staff when I was working was able to weed out (pun intended) a few over the years.Yeah I fired them.

    Once or twice a month I would take the rest of my staff out for drinks.
    DID you hav RAS????? WAS there a trial???? i know it was your buziness, you have a right to make the rules of conduct, but its just rude to violate your employees 4thA right, just so they can do good work for their pay.
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    grishnav wrote:
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    You need a headlight


    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    No they violated company policy.We did random drug test from time to time.They worked with chemicals and machinery and I didn't want the liabilty of someone getting hurt because they liked to use this crap and then wanting to sue the comapny.Not conducive to a decent margin or staff safety.I made it clear when I hired someone you don't do it anytime while working for me.I was the GM and I didn't like it anyway.

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    amzbrady wrote:
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    You need a headlight

    yes i do, hah!

    my phone has a small light, but qik doesn't know how toactivate it.

    other than being dark, how did it come out? this is my first time messing with qik live via cellular.

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    The same thing could happen with alcohol DEROS72, and it has been my experience to note that alcohol has far greater impairment on your motor skills than marijuana. A worker could just as easily show up drunk as he could stoned. That is why you hire responsible people that you know keep their personal life at home and conduct themselves professionally. Additionally, alcohol affects you longer and with more intensity; a person could be just as mentally impaired and clumsy with a hangover as he was drunk the night before. Marijuana only lasts four or five hours and leaves no hangover or ill effects. Alcohol is an addictive chemical that destroys brain cells, relationships, jobs, friendships and ultimately it destroys lives. Both your own and those who become a victim of your addiction. Marijuana is a natural plant that grows in the earth, has been used for centuries and has no addictive or lethal qualities. You can overdose on alcohol, but you can't overdose on marijuana. Consider all of the medicinal values that are attributed to marijuana and then think of the last time any doctor ever suggested alcohol as medicine. The legalization of hemp would bring more jobs in industry, harvesting, sales, etc. We'd never have to cut another tree for paper, clothes could be made from hemp, good rope could be produced here in the US. The benefits far outweigh the taxes spent on the failed drug war, overpopulation of prisons and ridiculous arrests of people that wouldn't harm a damn fly.

    End of rant... apologies for hijacking the thread and letting off some steam.

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    I noticed folks here seem to think America should be a free for all and all things should be legal.There should be no laws .So we should give up drug wars and make it all OK .I also noticed that most seem to rdo their best to ridicule Christianitywhich without this nation could have never survived as long as it has.Butthey will defend islam the most evil ever concieved .Really look how they live in most of those places as compared to the prosperity we have enjoyed.And don't start I know there has been atrocities in the name of Christianity.I am baffled a little that no one thinks their should be any standards or morals anymore.Again I sure am glad I kept my daughters out of public schools. Anyway not the point of the Thread so I'll say no more here.

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    Telling someone not to do something, does not stop them from doing it. Teaching them when something is wrong and right does. Morals come into play way more than many people think. Marijuana can be fine when you are in your own home or are safe somewhere else. Driving under the influence of anything should be illegal. But growing and smoking marijuana at home, or drinking at home, should not be illegal.

    But to outlaw marijuana on the basis that it is harmful is old and AFAIK, doesn't have any scientific backing. I believe that alcohol has been proven to be worse than marijuana with its effects on the human body.

    Hemp has very many good uses, like was posted above. Alcohol has very good uses also, like rubbing alcohol for sterilization of tools and skin.

    There are many countries where marijuana is legal and I don't hear many stories of marijuana gone bad. Only when it is taken with other harmful drugs.

    Deros, none of what I am writing should be taken personal. This is just another viewpoint in the debate.

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    grishnav wrote:
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    You need a headlight

    yes i do, hah!

    my phone has a small light, but qik doesn't know how toactivate it.

    other than being dark, how did it come out? this is my first time messing with qik live via cellular.
    when I saw it, it looked like you were walking by trees with white christmas lights on. really dark, and fuzzy. Would probably good for an OC vid if you were standing still and in a well lit area. neat feature.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    grishnav wrote:
    crazy christians out in force.
    Open forum, freedom of speech, bla bla bla, I just don't see how comments like this are productive. Divisive comments always bring negative attention.

    Sounds like you might need to talk to one. You might even find that the majority of them are pro 2A. If it's not your thing, no reason to run them off. Invite them to the forum. The more the merrier, Crazy Christian like me or not. It's all about our rights, not religions.

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    Cremator75 wrote:
    grishnav wrote:
    crazy christians out in force.
    Open forum, freedom of speech, bla bla bla, I just don't see how comments like this are productive. Divisive comments always bring negative attention.
    No, these guys are crazy. I didn't catch it on video, but according to them, if you go to church, you are an evil person who is going to hell and dragging everyone around you along, because churches are just heathonistic profit-generating institutions filling your head with lies. Deros, being a smoker and a drinker, has unfortunately, according to them, sacrificed everyone he's even encountered to the dark lord already. By virtue of being on the same forum as Deros, you are already damned to hell, according to the crazy people at Seattle center.


    Sounds like you might need to talk to one. You might even find that the majority of them are pro 2A.
    I did talk to them -- or at least I tried to. I even gave them the opportunity to speak directly to the internet without interruption through my camera lense. I have video evidence that was captured and transmitted live, for christ sake! Maybe you should go talk to them.

    Are you sleepy 'cause it's late or just not paying attention or what...?

    I just wish I knew what they actually referred to themselves as. They were shooting their own video, supposedly for youtube, and I'd be curious to see it.

    If it's not your thing, no reason to run them off.
    Nope, but racism and other forms of bigotry and intolerance are, imho. Any time anyone is calling for the destruction of another human being because of what they believe, or worse, what traits they were born with, I think pretty much deserves to be ostracized.

    That said, I didn't try to run them off, but the crowd sure did. I mean, at first, the tolerated the homophobic, violent, hate-filled spew of these guys, but for some reason when they added blatant racism to the mix, people finally started to switch from amused/annoyed to offended/upset.


    Invite them to the forum. The more the merrier, Crazy Christian like me or not. It's all about our rights, not religions.
    I doubt I would have made a good advocate after I told them all they were going to hell because they didn't believe in FSM. (Hey, it's not any sillier than their story. In fact, it is their story, with a few key details mockingly adjusted.)

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    grishnav,

    Holy sh*t, I wish I was there with you, these people always, ALWAYS, stand on the corner near westlake center, with their loud speakerphones, waving their signs with cameras attached. I like to question them and be loud and attract attention in the street. Thank George Carlin for that. When that happens, they usually regroup together, and all they do is stand yelling around in a group???? They usually try to read off something from their almighty book, and use it as if it was scientific evidence.....

    On another side, your phone uploads video as you record to the internet?????


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    I like to question them and be loud and attract attention in the street. Thank George Carlin for that. When that happens, they usually regroup together, and all they do is stand yelling around in a group???? They usually try to read off something from their almighty book, and use it as if it was scientific evidence.....
    I heckled them a little bit, but honestly, I'm more amused by religious folk than anything. The only time I have a problem is when they want to legislate their idea of morality, or otherwise somehow shove it down my throat. Like being obnoxious at a new year's gathering, for example...

    One of them was preaching about the bible being the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so I asked him about all the other books that weren't selected for inclusion. He didn't like that question so much...

    On another side, your phone uploads video as you record to the internet?????
    Yes, via Qik. Yours might, too. http://qik.com/info/supported_phones

    The activists in New Hampshire, particularly in the Keene area, have been using it to combat police who try to either delete their videos, or just outright "confiscate" their cameras and disappear them, like they did with my voice recorder in Portland. It's hard to delete a video when it's already been blasted across the internet to other waiting activists.

    I've been wanting to experiment with it since that incident, and finally have a phone (and data plan) capable of it. Unfortunately, it's an expensive phone I don't want to lose...

    It works a lot better if you can get a fast internet connection. The 256kbits of 3g just isn't enough upload power to really do it.

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    grishnav wrote:

    The activists in New Hampshire, particularly in the Keene area, have been using it to combat police who try to either delete their videos, or just outright "confiscate" their cameras and disappear them, like they did with my voice recorder in Portland. It's hard to delete a video when it's already been blasted across the internet to other waiting activists.

    I was totally thinking that. Too bad I don't have a supported phone or the data plan required. Usually I have a sidekick, but that isn't supported. I've always wondered how I could do that, record live, in case of a bad police encounter, and now I know there is a way. But the cost is a nice phone and an outrageous plan.

    Tell us next time a couple days to a week earlier for "mini-events", I'd love to come.

    As for DEROS72, everyone was discussing marijuana, and you bring up "free for all"???

    Marijuana isn't like meth, alcohol, cocaine, or even cigarettes dipped in embalming fluid. It is a relaxing plant. It grows on the earth. You don't have to add chemicals, or mix it, or anything for that matter. It comes out of the ground! And for the record, I've seen many people under the influence of marijuana, alcohol, cigarette w/ embalming fluid, and I have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, seen a violent stoner. Most of them are all slow and just chilling and having a good time.

    Alcohol, and the other drugs however.....


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    But the cost is a nice phone and an outrageous plan.
    The fully unlimited package from tmobile is $80/mo, but they have plans with unlimited data that are less expensive (I think you can get down to like $40/mo.).

    You can grab a used compatible phone for less than the cost of a video camera on ebay, so long as you aren't picky...


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    As for DEROS72, everyone was discussing marijuana, and you bring up "free for all"???
    To be fair, Deros was probably referring to me, since I advocate for market regulation of drugs rather than government regulation. (Which is, put another way, full legalization of all drugs.)

    It's not really as radical as it sounds when you actually think about it, but getting people to think is the hard part. It's much easier for Glen Beck or Bill O'Reilly to tell you what to believe.

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    Crap I pressed backspace and it went back a couple pages.

    Ok, I should have made the quote longer to specify what the hell I was exactly referring to.

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    noticed folks here seem to think America should be a free for all and all things should be legal.There should be no laws .So we should give up drug wars and make it all OK .
    The subject was weed, not America being FFA. I personally have seen a lot of drugs in action in people, and I have never heard of "marijuana overdose" or "marijuana poisoning". Trust me on this, I am young and used to hang out with a bunch of those folks around Seattle, I've watched these dudes get high, and never once did they die, or try to hurt somebody else. Weed doesn't make you super strong and powerful, it relaxes you.

    I completely understand about no drugs in the workplace. Coming to work under the influence, big no-no. But not being able to have any in your system AT ALL? That is a bit unfair. Make a WUI (working under influence) test or something.

    America being a FFA, WOULD BE CHAOS. I would not support that, even though I would love to do whatever the F*** I want, BUT I know there will be some crazy dude/dudette, somewhere down the road that is going to f*** me up and will have more deadlier items that I will have.

    Sorry for pooping in your thread grishnav, a bit off topic


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    I agree that we shouldn't prohibit things from religous stand point. Our founding fathers were what's called "higher critics" and most were not for organized religion being involved in politics.

    On the other hand I agree with Deros policy at work. I own soon to be past tense small contracting company. I have been fortunate, but have had to let go folks who were a danger to themselves and others. Have seen other companies not so fortunate and guess what they do when there is an accident, make L&I do a drug test.

    A side note I am not for prohibition it doesn't stop folks from doing what they are going to do. We should get rid of our War on drugs, it makes a killing for drug dealers and causes a lot of the problems we have in the inner cities.

    Also alcohol is a food and is digested by the body and works diferently than other drugs which may stay in your system for a lot longer, although it is a lot more adictive than afore mentioned marijuana, cigarets are more addictive and do much more damage to your body. I used to tell my employees if you are going to party do it Friday night but you better come to work clean and sober Monday morning. I believe what someone does on their personal time is none of my business as long as it is not effecting my business.
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    Poosharker.

    With all due respect...

    "Chemicals" aren't something you "add" to plants which are only "natural substances"... those natural substances themselves are chemicals! Ever hear of THC?

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    You have a point.

    But what I am trying to say is. These grew out of the dirt. They are natural. They are.... "natural chemicals"!

    Seriously though, have you ever heard of a stoned bank robber? Stoned mugger? Stoned killer? Stoned attacker?


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