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    I have a Rossi stainless .357 wheel gun and a ppk .380. I've been practicing speed loading both. I tried loading while looking at what I'm doing and not looking.

    Rossi....times using a speedie loader while looking vary from 7 seconds to 12 seconds. I have to get the ammo lined up just right to get it loaded. Times while not looking....from 15 seconds to forget it. It should be called a handi loader.

    ppk...times slamming in a clip and racking while looking go from 2 to 4 seconds. While not looking, times from 3 seconds to 5 seconds.

    Maybe I need more practice, but I decided to only UOC the ppk, just for these reasons.
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    From my understanding, someone well practiced at using speed loaders can reload a wheel gun about as fast as a person reloads a semi auto. However, it's the amount of ammo reloaded that leads me towards a semi auto for OC.

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    Keep practicing. I load and rack about 5 times a day. (empty magazines) You should be able to get your semi-auto times down to about 2 sec. without looking no problem. Its all about muscle memory.

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    If you ever see Jerry Miculek reload, then you will have a goal to emulate

    Crazy fast. Granted, he uses full moon clips, but his draw, fire 6, unload, reload, and fire 6 again happens in less than 3 seconds.

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    Army wrote:
    If you ever see Jerry Miculek reload, then you will have a goal to emulate

    Crazy fast. Granted, he uses full moon clips, but his draw, fire 6, unload, reload, and fire 6 again happens in less than 3 seconds.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v...eature=related




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    Holy Sh*t, I have some practicing to do.
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    LOL.

    The video of Jerry reloading to me evidences how quickly someone can charge a weapon for bear.

    But none of us is going for a national title in competition. I think training is essential but we should aspire to be safe, accurate, and competent with the administration of lethal force.

    It is apparent, both in my experience and the videos that I have seen, that the autos have a significant advantage over revolvers. This probably should be a determining factor in what firearm we select in relationship with abiding by California's requirement for guns to be unloaded.
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    Here's another video with more of what Jerry accomplished that day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWSvjgNOJyo&NR=1
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    Army wrote:
    If you ever see Jerry Miculek reload, then you will have a goal to emulate

    Crazy fast. Granted, he uses full moon clips, but his draw, fire 6, unload, reload, and fire 6 again happens in less than 3 seconds.
    I did a little research on full moon clips. It seems I would have to get the cylinder machined out to accept them. I found one site that does it, but only on SW and they want $100 for about 3 minutes of work. I'll save my Rossi for when we can LOC. If someone can walk up my ppk .380 with 7 hydra shoks in them, go ahead and kill me.
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    Don't think that you are going to be so fast with a revolver. In the real world, pulling it out and trying to load it with the pressure of +knowing+ someone is just about to hurt/kill you, or you are being physically attacked, the UOC'er is going to fumble and be slow with a speedy loader. In the UOC environment, a semi auto gun with a clip is the only way to go.

    If you don't believe me (using inert or empty shells) in your wheel gun, have a friend bounce you around a bit while trying to load, or try to load while running/ducking/kicking etc, or in the dark and see how it goes. It won't be pretty.

    Even UOC'ers with clips should practice under these scenarios if you are serious about self protection(and not just making a political statement by OC' ing). I can tell you from experience that the need for your gun will come when you least expect it, and you better have a game plan ready under difficult circumstances. This is not just about having coffee with 5 other UOCer's, guns are tools for protection of you and your family.


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    One of the tricks to a fast reload on a revolver is to chamfer the charge holes.

    Another is to use something besides wadcutters or semi-wadcutters.Use, for example,hollow-points or full metal jacket target ammo.

    Also, make sure you pick a method and stick to it.For example, abig-name competitor might use a different method than a defensive specialist like Mas Ayoob.
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    From the holster, I can load my 7-shot .357 revolverin about 4 to 4.5 seconds (my record is 3.5, but it will fall, I assure you), and that's with just a couple of hour's worth of practice.

    I've learned that you don't have to get the cartridges from the speed loader exactly lined up to get a good reload. Use the thumb on the hand that's holding the gun and cylinder open as a guide to sort of line up one or two of the cartridges on the speedloader with the cylinder chamber(s). Get it close enough "by feel", and the rest will fall in place once you release them.

    I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but trying a few times without looking and you'll start to get a feel for it.

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    I would also look up Julie Goloski, I love watching her shoot, here is one of her Revolver competitions:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwSlPvUW7GE

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    tekshogun wrote:
    I would also look up Julie Golob, I love watching her shoot, here is one of her Revolver competitions:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwSlPvUW7GE
    Fixed it for you.
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    Want some fast single action, watch this guy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlDXU...eature=related
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    ConditionThree wrote:
    tekshogun wrote:
    I would also look up Julie Golob, I love watching her shoot, here is one of her Revolver competitions:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwSlPvUW7GE
    Fixed it for you.
    Ah, thanks, I didn't realize she was married... damn

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