Firearms prohibited sign on Seattle Link Light Rail?

I would assume that "unlawful firearms" would be stolen pistols and firearms in the possession of criminals. You are lawfully carrying a firearm, so it shouldn't be a problem. ;-)

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procat said:

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Just noticed the sign the other day myself.

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sv_libertarian said:

Ugh. All explained in the FAQ's. 9.91.025 "Unlawful Bus Conduct" specifically protects the lawful transport of guns or ammo on transit vehicles or on transit property. That means if you are legally carrying, they can't stop you. Of course a CPL is required for loaded carry of a handgun on a vehicle, open or concealed.

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hermannr said:

However, even though you, normal citizen, do normally need a CPL for loaded OC in or on a vehicle, that is not always true..see RCW 9.41.060(8).

Also, the authorities cannot demand your CPL or your ID just because you are OC'ing. There has to be something else first, even if you are in or on a vehicle. Carry is a legal activity (Article 1 Section 24 WA constitution) We are innocent until proven guilty, no? and we are also supposed to be safe from unreasonable seach and siezure (Article 1 Section 7 WA constitution)

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BigDave said:

As you read down the list, you maybe cited for RCW 9.911.025, hmmm now where would find this RCW? :lol:

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RCW 9.91.025 Unlawful Transit Conduct. said:

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful transit conduct if, while on or in a transit vehicle or in or at a transit station, he or she knowingly:

(a) Smokes or carries a lighted or smoldering pipe, cigar, or cigarette, unless he or she is smoking in an area designated and authorized by the transit authority;

(b) Discards litter other than in designated receptacles;

(c) Dumps or discards, or both, any materials on or at a transit facility including, but not limited to, hazardous substances and automotive fluids;

(d) Plays any radio, recorder, or other sound-producing equipment, except that nothing herein prohibits the use of the equipment when connected to earphones or an ear receiver that limits the sound to an individual listener. The use of public address systems or music systems that are authorized by a transit agency is permitted. The use of communications devices by transit employees and designated contractors or public safety officers in the line of duty is permitted, as is the use of private communications devices used to summon, notify, or communicate with other individuals, such as pagers and cellular phones;

(e) Spits, expectorates, urinates, or defecates, except in appropriate plumbing fixtures in restroom facilities;

(f) Carries any flammable liquid, explosive, acid, or other article or material likely to cause harm to others, except that nothing herein prevents a person from carrying a cigarette, cigar, or pipe lighter or carrying a firearm or ammunition in a way that is not otherwise prohibited by law;

(g) Consumes an alcoholic beverage or is in possession of an open alcoholic beverage container, unless authorized by the transit authority and required permits have been obtained;

(h) Obstructs or impedes the flow of transit vehicles or passenger traffic, hinders or prevents access to transit vehicles or stations, or otherwise unlawfully interferes with the provision or use of public transportation services;

(i) Unreasonably disturbs others by engaging in loud, raucous, unruly, harmful, or harassing behavior;

(j) Destroys, defaces, or otherwise damages property in a transit vehicle or at a transit facility;

(k) Throws an object in a transit vehicle, at a transit facility, or at any person at a transit facility with intent to do harm;

(l) Possesses an unissued transfer or fare media or tenders an unissued transfer or fare media as proof of fare payment;

(m) Falsely claims to be a transit operator or other transit employee or through words, actions, or the use of clothes, insignia, or equipment resembling department-issued uniforms and equipment, creates a false impression that he or she is a transit operator or other transit employee;

Engages in gambling or any game of chance for the winning of money or anything of value;

(o) Skates on roller skates or in-line skates, or rides in or upon or by any means a coaster, skateboard, toy vehicle, or any similar device. However, a person may walk while wearing skates or carry a skateboard while on or in a transit vehicle or in or at a transit station if that conduct is not otherwise prohibited by law; or

(p) Engages in other conduct that is inconsistent with the intended use and purpose of the transit facility, transit station, or transit vehicle and refuses to obey the lawful commands of an agent of the transit authority or a peace officer to cease such conduct.

(2) For the purposes of this section:

(a) "Transit station" or "transit facility" means all passenger facilities, structures, stops, shelters, bus zones, properties, and rights-of-way of all kinds that are owned, leased, held, or used by a transit authority for the purpose of providing public transportation services.

(b) "Transit vehicle" means any motor vehicle, street car, train, trolley vehicle, ferry boat, or any other device, vessel, or vehicle that is owned or operated by a transit authority or an entity providing service on behalf of a transit authority that is used for the purpose of carrying passengers on a regular schedule.

(c) "Transit authority" means a city transit system under RCW 35.58.2721 or chapter 35.95A RCW, a county transportation authority under chapter 36.57 RCW, a metropolitan municipal corporation transit system under chapter 36.56 RCW, a public transportation benefit area under chapter 36.57A RCW, an unincorporated transportation benefit area under RCW 36.57.100, a regional transportation authority under chapter 81.112 RCW, or any special purpose district formed to operate a public transportation system.

(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.

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SpyderTattoo said:

I'd like to know what areas those are that you are speaking of, that make it a requirement for you to have a CPL. Obviously a vehicle, but what othere areas do you mean?

Nevermind that this thread is over two years dead now...

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RCW 9.41.300(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:
(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
(ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

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RCW 9.94.043
Deadly weapons — Possession on premises by person not a prisoner — Penalty.

A person, other than a person serving a sentence in a penal institution of this state, is guilty of possession of contraband on the premises of a state correctional institution in the first degree if, without authorization to do so, the person knowingly possesses or has under his or her control a deadly weapon on or in the buildings or adjacent grounds subject to the care, control, or supervision of a state correctional institution. Deadly weapon is used as defined in RCW 9A.04.110: PROVIDED, That such correctional buildings, grounds, or property are properly posted pursuant to RCW 9.94.047, and such person has knowingly entered thereon: PROVIDED FURTHER, That the provisions of this section do not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the correctional institution premises, proceeds directly along an access road to the administration building and promptly checks his or her firearm(s) with the appropriate authorities. The person may reclaim his or her firearm(s) upon leaving, but he or she must immediately and directly depart from the premises.

Possession of contraband on the premises of a state correctional institution in the first degree is a class B felony.

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massivedesign said:

King County is VERY serious about it's signage....

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BigDave said:

While law enforcement cannot just demand your CPL for open carrying, once they see you are carrying a firearm and enter an area where a CPL is required they have PC to demand your CPL as it would be reasonable to believe that the firearm is loaded.

Why is there such a paranoia on the issue of providing a CPL where one is required to have one, or even identification for that matter, this and not to be construed as joe citizen walking down the street, two different circumstances.

Now of course the exception of RCW 9.41.060(8) lets not forget the portion,

(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;

Which we do not have the circumstances surrounding the activity.

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BigDave said:

While law enforcement cannot just demand your CPL for open carrying, once they see you are carrying a firearm and enter an area where a CPL is required they have PC to demand your CPL as it would be reasonable to believe that the firearm is loaded.

Why is there such a paranoia on the issue of providing a CPL where one is required to have one, or even identification for that matter, this and not to be construed as joe citizen walking down the street, two different circumstances.

Now of course the exception of RCW 9.41.060(8) lets not forget the portion,

(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;

Which we do not have the circumstances surrounding the activity.

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sudden valley gunner said:

PC stands for probable cause, the probable cause you are engaged in something unlawful, just seeing you OC onto a bus does not generate PC. Neither does it generate RS.

Show me your papers!

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sudden valley gunner said:

PC stands for probable cause, the probable cause you are engaged in something unlawful, just seeing you OC onto a bus does not generate PC. Neither does it generate RS.

Show me your papers!

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DeltaOps said:

Ok lets stand at a bus or train station (stop) while OC'ing. We both get on at the same time and we both get stopped by a LEO. They ask to see our CPL. You stand your ground while you miss the train and or bus while I show it and make it to my destination in time.

If nobody gets my ppoint I am trying to make, let me know ,I will draw it in crayon fo you.

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