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    On Nov. 10th 2009, my mom and I flew to Kentucky to see about relocating there from the communist outpost of CommieFornia. We want to move back to America!

    We are both conservatives and have grown tired of the liberalism that has turned southern CommieFornia into a cesspool of Socialism. I am a gun owner and NRA member. My main attraction to ANY new place is their gun laws. The "Brady Bunch" rate Kentucky lower than Tennessee, presumably because they view Kentucky as having worse gun laws (in THEIR eyes) than Tennessee. That means that the Brady Bunch looks slightly more favorably on Tennessee than on Kentucky, but I do not know exactly what nuance of difference between the two states earns Tennessee five more "points" on the Brady scale, where CommieFornia is #1 with a score of 79. Tennessee is scored at 7, while Kentucky is scored at 2, which means the Brady Bunch HATES Kentucky, and that is why I selected to visit Kentucky last November!

    So we found a nice town we liked, Franklin, KY. We found a nice house, etc., and we are thinking of moving there BUT the one thing that makes Tennessee more attractive is the fact that your state has no personal income tax. My mom is not "rich," but she is comfortable. My step-dad was a wise man who invested wisely and left her comfortable. If she lives in a state with no personal income tax, it will make quite a difference in the bottom line.

    This one difference we have found (so far) might be the deciding factor, but we did not spend any time in Tennessee on that trip, because we were focused on Kentucky.

    So ... I'd love to hear from you great Americans down in Tennessee! Please give me your best sales pitch for looking more seriously at your state. We will be returning to Nashville airport for another discovery visit some time in March.

    Tell me about open and concealed carry. Tell me about your smaller towns and why we should consider living in your state. I plan to start a small manufacturing business and hire a few people. My mom will be retired, and I want her to be in some small "Mayberry" town where she doesn't have to dodge speeding motorcycles, brain-dead liberals and uninsured illegals driving barely roadworthy clunkers.

    I will watch this thread, and thank you in advance for your thoughtful responses!

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    She can elect out of paying State tax. Also:



    Traveler's checklist:

    *Standard firearms ownership:unrestricted, no permit or license required

    *Semi-auto gun ownership: unrestricted, no permit or license required

    *Machine gun ownership:
    no state restrictions, compliance with federal law only

    *Firearm law uniformity:
    preemption law, firearm laws uniform throughout state

    *Right of Self-Defense: castle doctrine, right protected by statute

    *Open carry: unrestricted in most public areas and generally accepted

    *Concealed carry:
    licenses granted to residents on a "shall issue" basis; automatic
    reciprocity for nonresidents with licenses from other states

    *Vehicle carry and transportation:
    firearms (rifles, shotguns and handguns) may
    be carried
    loaded and in plain view; loaded handguns maybe carried in
    the glove compartment (center console box carry is not allowed)

    *State Parks: concealed handgun carry by recognized licensees permitted


    Kentucky's rolling hills and tree-covered mountains provide the perfect
    setting for any Hollywood production about the early pioneers of the Ohio valley.
    Firearms carry in those days was essential for survival. Fortunately for gun-owners,
    Kentucky still maintains a healthyrespect for this heritage in its firearm laws.

    Kentucky requires a license to carry a firearm concealed on or about one's
    person. The State Police issue such permits through the local sheriff of the
    applicant's home county for a five year term. Kentucky does not grant permits to
    nonresidents but will recognize any permit issued by another state. Kentucky
    licenses allow the concealed carry of any deadly weapon by the permittee.

    A traveler without a permit may carry loaded firearms in a vehicle if the
    weapons are in plain view. Kentucky allows anyone to carry a loaded handgun in a
    visible belt holster or on the dashboard or passenger seat of one's car. Glove
    compartment carry is also considered legitimate as long the compartment is of the
    factory-installed variety on the passenger's side. Console boxes and seat pockets
    are not legitimate areas for unlicensed carry. Carrying a handgun in one of these
    areas is the same as placing the weapon under the seat. Both modes of carry are
    limited to persons possessing carry licenses. Rifles and shotguns may be carried
    loaded and in plain view. The weapons may be secured in gun racks, gun slings, or
    commercial gun cases located anywhere in the vehicle except concealed about the person.

    Travelers may carry loaded firearms in plain view while on foot in virtually any
    public area of the state. Such carry is best limited to visible belt holsters secured on
    one's hip. Kentucky's strong preemption law prevents this activity, as well as most
    others involving firearms, from being locally regulated. Recently, employers were
    further prohibited from preventing employees from carrying firearms in their vehicles
    while the vehicles are parked on company property.

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    Probaobly the one reason that the Brady Bunch favors TN over Ky is that TN requires a permit to carry for both CC and OC, but it is a "shall issue" state. Ky only requires a permit to CC.

    TN also has rolling hills like Ky.

    No state income tax.

    Other carry laws are similar to Ky.

    I understand that the realestate values are still pretty low in my area (West central TN) I live in Perry County, very rural. A few folks here still get around in horse drawn wagons.

    We don't have to contend with MrMitch hehehehe just kiddin'Mitch

    In all my passing of LEO I have never had one to ask if I had a HCP for my OC sidearm. Was talking to one of our deputy's the other night and she told me that they were glad to see folks getting the HCP's and arming up. They felt that at least we've gone to the trouble to learn how and when you use our weapons. One deputy said that he saw OC LACas a passive deterant to criminal activity in the area.



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    TF16 would be a good neighbor. Tennessee would be my 2nd choice for a home if I wasn't already here.

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    I used to live in Columbia, same area as Franklin, many years ago. I loved the place and the people there. Got kinfolk who still live in the area.
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    turbodog wrote:
    I used to live in Columbia, same area as Franklin, many years ago. I loved the place and the people there. Got kinfolk who still live in the area.
    I was born and raised in Western Ky, Crittenden County. Still have kin there. I was in Columbia a couple weeks ago. Man, that's a sprawled out town.

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    You need to move just outside the City of JACKSON in MADISON COUNTY. Jackson has all the modern convenience of Memphis or Nashville with easy access from the country. Just outside the city limits are wide open cotton fields and wild life.

    I do not live in the city and do not recommend living in the city limits (avoids the extra taxes). We have a relatively high per-capita income and low un-employment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Tennessee

    Right on I-40 for fast access to Memphis or Nashville

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    turbodog wrote:
    I used to live in Columbia, same area as Franklin, many years ago. I loved the place and the people there. Got kinfolk who still live in the area.
    I was born and raised in Western Ky, Crittenden County. Still have kin there. I was in Columbia a couple weeks ago. Man, that's a sprawled out town.
    LOL I'll admit, it's gotten bigger than when I lived there.
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    McX wrote:
    lived in the mountains, outside elizabethton tenn. for 10 yrs. now back home in (barf) wiscommunistson.
    Well, you're welcome to return to Tennessee.

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    Whatever she chooses, I suggest more eastern TN or KY (Eastern Time Zone) as it's prettier and it's far more conservative. I'm sorry to anyone who lives in Nashville or further west, but your idiot liberals are bringing down our state.

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    macville wrote:
    Whatever she chooses, I suggest more eastern TN or KY (Eastern Time Zone) as it's prettier and it's far more conservative. I'm sorry to anyone who lives in Nashville or further west, but your idiot liberals are bringing down our state.

    Matthew

    I think the liberals are pretty well concentrated in Nashville and Memphis, maybe Jackson. The rest of western Tn (more rural)seems to be fairly conservative.

    Lib's always gravitate to the big city. Maybe they're afraid of the sounds of the night out here in the country:what:You know, like crikets:what:, tree frogs:what:, hoot owls:what::what:, coyotes:what::what::what:, etc. They need the serenity of sirenes and other city racket.


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    This is what happens when you put a city slicker in a hunting cabin for a night.
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    Lib's always gravitate to the big city. Maybe they're afraid of the sounds of the night out here in the country:what:You know, like crikets:what:, tree frogs:what:, hoot owls:what::what:, coyotes:what::what::what:, etc. They need the serenity of sirenes and other city racket.
    Or MAYBE they just believe the old saying, "Safety in numbers."

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    gravedigger wrote:
    Lib's always gravitate to the big city. Maybe they're afraid of the sounds of the night out here in the country:what:You know, like crikets:what:, tree frogs:what:, hoot owls:what::what:, coyotes:what::what::what:, etc. They need the serenity of sirenes and other city racket.
    Or MAYBE they just believe the old saying, "Safety in numbers."
    yeah, that too. But then, why do big cities have more crime than out here in the country? Safety in numbers don't seem to be working so well.

    I think it's all the guns us country folks keep.

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    gravedigger wrote:
    Lib's always gravitate to the big city. Maybe they're afraid of the sounds of the night out here in the country:what:You know, like crikets:what:, tree frogs:what:, hoot owls:what::what:, coyotes:what::what::what:, etc. They need the serenity of sirenes and other city racket.
    Or MAYBE they just believe the old saying, "Safety in numbers."
    Safety in numbers? You mean like .45, 9mm, 7.62x39 and .308?

    seriously though--liberals do like to hide behind others and depend on someone else to protect them because they are too weak to do it themselves...They will make fine Communists. It should be a deportable offense to be a liberal, Constitution hating fanatic --maybe Congress could pass a law to deport all liberals/Communists to France...



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    Wow, tough choice! I would be happy with either state myself.

    Honestly, I do like Michigan. It's great if you have a job.:shock:

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    Wow, tough choice! I would be happy with either state myself.

    Honestly, I do like Michigan. It's great if you have a job.:shock:
    Being anywhere right now, with a job, is good.

    Michiganwould be abit cold in winter for my blood. It's chlly enough here, right now.

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    Whatever she chooses, I suggest more eastern TN or KY (Eastern Time Zone) as it's prettier and it's far more conservative. I'm sorry to anyone who lives in Nashville or further west, but your idiot liberals are bringing down our state.

    Matthew
    Aint that the truth!

    The further west you go in this state, the less likely the populous is to retain a brain.

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    gravedigger wrote:
    On Nov. 10th 2009, my mom and I flew to Kentucky to see about relocating there from the communist outpost of CommieFornia. We want to move back to America!

    We are both conservatives and have grown tired of the liberalism that has turned southern CommieFornia into a cesspool of Socialism. I am a gun owner and NRA member. My main attraction to ANY new place is their gun laws. The "Brady Bunch" rate Kentucky lower than Tennessee, presumably because they view Kentucky as having worse gun laws (in THEIR eyes) than Tennessee. That means that the Brady Bunch looks slightly more favorably on Tennessee than on Kentucky, but I do not know exactly what nuance of difference between the two states earns Tennessee five more "points" on the Brady scale, where CommieFornia is #1 with a score of 79. Tennessee is scored at 7, while Kentucky is scored at 2, which means the Brady Bunch HATES Kentucky, and that is why I selected to visit Kentucky last November!

    So we found a nice town we liked, Franklin, KY. We found a nice house, etc., and we are thinking of moving there BUT the one thing that makes Tennessee more attractive is the fact that your state has no personal income tax. My mom is not "rich," but she is comfortable. My step-dad was a wise man who invested wisely and left her comfortable. If she lives in a state with no personal income tax, it will make quite a difference in the bottom line.

    This one difference we have found (so far) might be the deciding factor, but we did not spend any time in Tennessee on that trip, because we were focused on Kentucky.

    So ... I'd love to hear from you great Americans down in Tennessee! Please give me your best sales pitch for looking more seriously at your state. We will be returning to Nashville airport for another discovery visit some time in March.

    Tell me about open and concealed carry. Tell me about your smaller towns and why we should consider living in your state. I plan to start a small manufacturing business and hire a few people. My mom will be retired, and I want her to be in some small "Mayberry" town where she doesn't have to dodge speeding motorcycles, brain-dead liberals and uninsured illegals driving barely roadworthy clunkers.

    I will watch this thread, and thank you in advance for your thoughtful responses!
    Having lived in Louisville and Nashville (and a Louisville suberb in Indiana), I would say that I like Tennessee just a bit better. Other laws are similar enough (though Tennessee does need to work on its gun laws more) that adjustment is easy.

    The big thing for me was the state income taxes. I have not had to pay state income taxes from 1988 (active duty military was not taxed by Illinois, hope that is still true) through 2005. Then in 2006 and 2007 I had to pay those damn things (one for Indiana and one for Kentucky).



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    gravedigger wrote:
    So we found a nice town we liked, Franklin, KY. We found a nice house, etc., and we are thinking of moving there BUT the one thing that makes Tennessee more attractive is the fact that your state has no personal income tax. My mom is not "rich," but she is comfortable. My step-dad was a wise man who invested wisely and left her comfortable. If she lives in a state with no personal income tax, it will make quite a difference in the bottom line.
    There are two things that I, a Virginian with an IP address, can tell you about Tennessee.

    1) You didn't specify the actual source of your mother's income, though it sounds like it may be from dividends. Tennessee does tax dividends (income) from stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc... So check with a tax consultant on whether she'd actually be tax-free in Tennessee. According to the Tennessee Individual Income Tax Form, the rate is 6%.

    2) In spite of State Preemption, any laws that were in effect prior to 1986, and that haven't been repealed, are still in effect. I can't tell you what those may be, if any, but be aware that it's possible for grandfathered firearm restrictions to still be on the books.

    39-17-1314. Local regulation of firearms and ammunition preempted by state regulation — Actions against firearms or ammunition manufacturers, trade associations or dealers. —

    (a) Except as provided in § 39-17-1311(d), which allows counties and municipalities to prohibit the possession of handguns while within or on a public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof, no city, county, or metropolitan government shall occupy any part of the field of regulation of the transfer, ownership, possession or transportation of firearms, ammunition or components of firearms or combinations thereof; provided, that this section shall be prospective only and shall not affect the validity of any ordinance or resolution lawfully enacted before April 8, 1986.

    (b) The general assembly declares that the lawful design, marketing, manufacture and sale of firearms and ammunition to the public are not unreasonably dangerous activities and do not constitute a nuisance per se.

    (c) (1) The authority to bring suit and right to recover against any firearms or ammunition manufacturer, trade association or dealer by or on behalf of any state entity, county, municipality or metropolitan government for damages, abatement or injunctive relief resulting from or relating to the lawful design, manufacture, marketing or sale of firearms or ammunition to the public shall be reserved exclusively to the state.

    (2) Nothing in this subsection (c) shall be construed to prohibit a county, municipality, or metropolitan government from bringing an action against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer or dealer for breach of contract or warranty as to firearms or ammunition purchased by such county, municipality, or metropolitan government.

    (3) Nothing in this subsection (c) shall preclude an individual from bringing a cause of action for breach of a written contract, breach of an express warranty, or for injuries resulting from defects in the materials or workmanship in the manufacture of the firearm.

    (d) The provisions of subsections (b) and (c) shall not apply in any litigation brought by an individual against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer, trade association or dealer.


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    I know I'm bumping a really old thread, but I'm interested to see which, if either, you chose/are choosing.

    To help you along, I've been told that Johnson City is one of the cheapest places to live in the US.

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    If you are looking at this strictly from a gun point of view, you are better off in Kentucky. You don't need a license to carry a handgun in Kentucky in public in the open or in your vehicle. I believe you can also carry a loaded long gun openly up there without any sort of license. If you get a license, you can conceal other weapons besides your handgun. I have read that people can even carry in the Kentucky statehouse with no problems on their license. There doesn't seem to be such thing as a legal 'sign' that you can get fined for like in Tennessee (although no one has been fined as far as we know).

    Money wise we do not have a state income tax in Tennessee. Kentucky has a state income tax. You will pay anywhere from 50-100 bucks to license any vehicle here. I have no idea what they do in Kentucky. Property taxes aren't bad depending on where you live. Check the Tennessee Comptroller's office. I have no idea about Kentucky's property taxes. Our sales tax is a little high, in the Memphis area it is 9.25 but I'll take that over not having an income tax. Property itself is cheap compared to other parts of the country anywhere here or i'm sure Kentucky. You will have to get a handgun carry permit to legally carry a handgun off your property loaded. You cannot carry a chamber loaded long gun in your vehicle, even with a handgun carry permit. Guns wise that is a joke to me compared to KY. You can't carry knucks, blackjacks, other stuff with a handgun carry permit here. If you are interested in TN, go to Middle or East TN, that is the pretty part of TN and there are a lot of clean places up there.

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