Results 1 to 19 of 19

Thread: Off-Topic a film about American Islam

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    North Newbald, , United Kingdom
    Posts
    69

    Post imported post

    http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2010/01/the-third-jihad/

    I found this film on the website of an English political party. Spend a half-hour watching it. It will leave a deep impact upon you.

  2. #2
    Regular Member 45acpForMe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Yorktown, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,803

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    North Newbald, , United Kingdom
    Posts
    69

    Post imported post

    Link doesn't work for me.

    Still, the movie is on YouTube. I'm going to watch it over dinner.

    This film was banned in England, and its maker, Geert Wilders was prohibited from visiting the UK. This all came about when one of our Upper House, Lord Ahmed, threatened to bring 10,000 muslimsto the gates of Parliament unless Wilders was proscribed.

    Hard to imagine, isn't it? Anyway, our spineless Parliament caved in to his threats...more erosion of free speech.



  4. #4
    Regular Member Alexcabbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    2,290

    Post imported post

    Well, whaddya know? We now have a member in the UK! Mr. Turner, sir, do you think there is any chance that citizens of England will ever have their firearms rights restored? Firearms - wise, the UK makesthe City of Washington D.C.look positively sane. Is it true that the police now have officers armed with pistols, but only in specially marked cars with one weapon in the trunk (or boot, to you)? That is nuts! How exactly does that work? Does the officer say: "Now see here, my fellow; you must immediately put down that revolver and surrender or I shall be forced to open the boot and produce my firearm, whereupon I shall present and fire if you do not comply"? Sheesh. Sounds like the way the United Nations deals with aggressor countries.

    Anyway welcome, and I hope you are able to get us a great many more members in the UK. The people in these forums have a wide range of talents and insights, and exchanges of ideas can be most helpful in effecting change in the UK. I am quite certain that any of us who are able to assist efforts over there to get respect for the God-given Right To Keep And Bear Arms will be glad to do so. If we can force DC to start respecting the RTKBA, then the UK should not be that tough a nut to crack. Good luck!

  5. #5
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    1,052

    Post imported post

    David Turner wrote:
    http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2010/01/the-third-jihad/

    I found this film on the website of an English political party. Spend a half-hour watching it. It will leave a deep impact upon you.
    Interesting.

    If it be so, let us be prepared...

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    North Newbald, , United Kingdom
    Posts
    69

    Post imported post

    There may come a time when the RKBA is restored. None of the major political parties will touch this subject, though.

    There is one right-wing party, the British National Party, which promises to adopt a system which is similar to that of the Swiss...that is, an armed militia. Approx 1/2 million Swiss households contain military weapons that belong to fathers, sons and grandfathers...and daughters, too, now. The Swiss standing army comprises only 5% of the fighting force. The rest is the citizen militia.

    The BNP is gaining ground, politically, not least because of its policy of immediate repatriation for our (maybe 2M-ish)illegal immigrants and its generally Patriotic stance. This next election may throw up a few surprises...not a BnP government, but perhaps a useful share of the vote.

    Yes, there are quite a few armed policemen now. In cities and airports, it is not uncommon to see them with holstered pistols and with cradled sub-machine guns.

    Just yesterday, I remarked on the strangeness of this. We citizens have fewer firearms than at any time since they were invented...and yet more and more policemen find the need to go armed.

    Estimates vary, but there are supposed to be between 300,000 and 4 million firearms in the hands of the criminal types. The Met alone, seizes at least 100 each week...but they openly admit that illegal guns are "out of control".

    At the moment, I'm investigating a legal challenge to the British government, using the Human Rights legislation. It's pretty straightforward to take a case to Europe, but I guess that the help of a lawyer would be handy. So, if you know of any pro-gun lawyers who specialise in European Human Rights legisaltion... I'm confident that I can raise a decent sum in remuneration IF we can present a reasonable case.

    I should explain that European Law increasingly dominates our own Law. So, a win in Europe would pretty much compel our English Parliament to amend its own laws.

    The downside of this situation is that your own Parliament becomes increasingly powerless, with the effect that your own vote becomes increasingly meaningless.We will soon have one huge Socialist Dystopia. It is very frightening.

    And this is all brought about by signing Treaties, in our case, the Lisbon Treaty.It soundsso innocuous. "What harm could a Treaty do to me." Well, it'll disenfranchise you, for starters.So, watch out.

    Here's the bones of my proposed argument before the European Court.

    It does seem to be an argument which is irrefutable…but I guess that those legal types are very crafty and can pick holes in anything. I begin by stating the Article upon which my argument is based.





    Here is Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights.



    Article 2

    1. Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of a court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided by law.

    2. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:


    a in defence of any person from unlawful violence;

    b in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;

    c in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.





    My argument

    Now, I would argue that the British Government has removed, by law, my rights to effective self-defence. It has done this by prohibiting me from carrying batons, knives, firerarms and all other offensive weapons. However, in the UK, offensive weapons are commonly carried by criminals. Further, there are an estimated 300,000 to 4 million firearms which are in the hands of criminals.

    The Government has stated, via its agents (I have legal judgements to show this) that the Law and the Police must be looked to as defenders of my person.

    I claim that it is impossible for the Law and the Police to defend my person. The Police are too few in number and there is overwhelming evidence of their failure (rape, murder, assault etc). The Law, whilst being effective in disarming me, bears little relevance to those criminals who are prepared to acquire and use weapons.

    Further, I claim that it is my inalienable right to defend my self… and that this right is inhibited by the prohibition against my going armed in an effective manner.

    Because of these factors, I claim that my Human Rights are being infringed by my Government.



  7. #7
    Regular Member Alexcabbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    2,290

    Post imported post

    Indeed. You may be aware of a common saying among us in the States: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away" Our courts have ruled that a citizen has no right to expect the police to ensure his or her safety. Implicit in this is the fact that the citizen is - and realistically so - ultimately responsible for his or her own safety. Those wigs worn by your jurists over there must be powdered with stupid dust.

  8. #8
    Regular Member okboomer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Oklahoma, USA
    Posts
    1,164

    Post imported post

    Some of you say "interesting" ... I say terrifying:what:

    I have an opinion and I will speak my mind ... anathama to an Islamist.

    "From my cold, dead hands" is a very real possibility for me if Sharia law comes to America.
    cheers - okboomer
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Lead, follow, or get out of the way

    Exercising my 2A Rights does NOT make me a CRIMINAL! Infringing on the exercise of those rights makes YOU one!

  9. #9
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    1,052

    Post imported post

    okboomer wrote:
    Some of you say "interesting" ... I say terrifying:what:

    I have an opinion and I will speak my mind ... anathama to an Islamist.

    "From my cold, dead hands" is a very real possibility for me if Sharia law comes to America.
    Sure, to hell with Sharia law. I like our system and the only change it needs is from within keeping its core values of freedom. I don't want a change in how we operate. But I am not going to say I'm scared as I believe there are plenty of us Americans ready to raise Hell with anyone that tries to take away the freedom of ANY man or ANY woman. I stand with you. Stand tall before threats and show no fear.

  10. #10
    Regular Member Alexcabbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    2,290

    Post imported post

    okboomer wrote:
    Some of you say "interesting" ... I say terrifying:what:

    I have an opinion and I will speak my mind ... anathama to an Islamist.

    "From my cold, dead hands" is a very real possibility for me if Sharia law comes to America.
    Don't worry, Boomer. Shariia will become law here OVER MY DEAD BODY and I ain't woofin, either.

  11. #11
    Regular Member Dreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Grennsboro NC
    Posts
    5,358

    Post imported post

    The creeping influence of the mujahideeen mentality is becoming a powerful political force in Great Britian, much to the consternation of the English People. Chrisiana Amanpour did a very good investigative report on CNN on this topic a few years ago, which is being re-aired on CNN Sat and Sun nights at 8pm...

    Transcript for this program is available on CNN's archives:

    I believe this show is also available on YouTube in segments...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVgRytJFYb4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwa2...eature=related

    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionand this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

  12. #12
    Regular Member Alexcabbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    2,290

    Post imported post

    Radical Islamists see themselves as part of an "unseen Nation" called the "Ummaah". This viewpoint is comparable to the Ku Klux Klan's description of itself as "The Invisible Empire" As with the KKK, radical Islamism thereby puffs up its percieved numbers as, just as any white person just might be KKK, any Moslem might be one of them. And the Klan has made political inroads to the USA: Calvin Cooledge was associated with them openly, the Klan referred to him as "Kandidate Kal Kooledge". And Senate President Robert Byrd (Democrat [!'] WVa) was at one time a Grand Dragon in West Virginia (and has recently used the "N-word" on the Senate floor. but that's okay as long as he votes the way Pelosi and Reid think he should).

    The difference between these Islamonutz and the Klan is that white folks in this country recognized the Klan for what they were (and are) and repudiated them. Moslems for one reason or another don't do this with the nutbars, or at least not very enthusiastically.

    But if push comes to shove, I'll use every round I have, and then use my guns as bludgeons until they have been batered to pieces, and then throw rocks, sticks and debris and finally use my fists and feet until I am dead before I will let this retrograde abomination get its hooks into my nation. I will die on my feet before I am forced to live on my knees. Scots Wah Hae in spades. And I mean it.

  13. #13
    Regular Member simmonsjoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Mattaponi, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    1,664

    Post imported post

    okboomer wrote:
    Some of you say "interesting" ... I say terrifying:what:

    I have an opinion and I will speak my mind ... anathama to an Islamist.

    "From my cold, dead hands" is a very real possibility for me if Sharia law comes to America.
    I don't think you really know what Sharia law is.

    It was the first legal system to grant property rights to all persons.(including women).
    It was the first legal system to grant business rights to all persons.(including women).
    It was the first legal system to grant marriage rights to all persons.(women could say no/get divorced)
    It assumes innocence, and guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
    It protects you from self-incrimination.
    Legalized self defense, allowed for justifiable infractions of laws.
    Required Christians and Jews to have their own SEPARATE COURTS so that they could be judged appropriately to their respective religions. (for instance, it was illegal for Muslims to drink but legal for Christians)

    The real Sharia is amazingly similar to our own legal system. Unfortunately what you hear of as Sharia nowadays is usually a patchwork of tribal and custom laws that as often violate real Sharia as not.

    It is an interesting thing. It was an amazing legal system and civil rights piece in its day, but has been twisted into something abhorrent. Seem familiar? Never forget history. Our legal system may be great. It may be beyond anything the world has seen. That doesn't mean it can't be defiled and twisted to something evil. We must remain vigilant.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
    [SIZE=1]"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. "Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent." - Thomas Jefferson
    G19 Gen 4; Bersa Thunder 380; Sig Sauer P238; Kel-Tec su-16c

  14. #14
    Regular Member Alexcabbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    2,290

    Post imported post

    Hey Simmons, the "Sharia" we are discussing here is the Osama Bin Laden - endorsed version. And if Sharia is so much like our own system, then the Moslems here alread have what they want, then. don't they? And in our system there isn't any religious delineation in justice. Christians, Jews. Moslems and atheists all live under the same Constitution. From "Jesus is Lord" through "Allah Akbar" and past "Om Mani Padme Om" right down to "there is no God so be good for goodness's sake"; there is one law about how we treat one another and it applies to all. Stop apologizing for these islamist slimeballs.

    And one more thing. You know what cats are good for? Guitar strings. :P

  15. #15
    Regular Member SouthernBoy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Western Prince William County, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    5,849

    Post imported post

    Welcome aboard David Turner of the UK, we're happy to have you here.

    Up until this past September, the company and project of which I was a part was responsible for developing and maintaining the fingerprint identification system used by the UK (NAFIS and then IDENT1). So we all had a lot of contact with Brits either with them coming over here or us going over there (I never did venture to the UK).

    I don't know if you have ever been to the States, but if you ever have the opportunity, try to make it Virginia.. at least for a stop over. Once here, connect with one of us and we'll show you how easy and free it is to simply strap on a gun and go out into the public at large. I would imagine that might be a bit of a culture shock at first for someone who has never experienced such a thing before.

    Once again, welcome.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

    America First!

  16. #16
    Regular Member SouthernBoy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Western Prince William County, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    5,849

    Post imported post

    Dreamer wrote:
    The creeping influence of the mujahideeen mentality is becoming a powerful political force in Great Britian, much to the consternation of the English People. Chrisiana Amanpour did a very good investigative report on CNN on this topic a few years ago, which is being re-aired on CNN Sat and Sun nights at 8pm...
    Transcript for this program is available on CNN's archives:
    I believe this show is also available on YouTube in segments...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVgRytJFYb4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwa2...eature=related
    Kill 'em all... let their Allah sort them out. Oh, and rub them down with bacon then piss on them for a just sendoff.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

    America First!

  17. #17
    Regular Member 45acpForMe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Yorktown, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,803

    Post imported post

    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Kill 'em all... let their Allah sort them out. Oh, and rub them down with bacon then piss on them for a just sendoff.
    I forget where I read it but it made 100% sense. We could stop homicide bombers today if we had the balls to announce that from here on, any terrorist/homicide-bombers remains would be wrapped & buriedin pigskin.

    If they believe their religion enough to kill, they should believe it enough that by being wrapped in pigskin they will be guaranteed hell and have no chance of heaven.

    Of course the political correct police would have a field day with that policy!

  18. #18
    Regular Member Alexcabbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    2,290

    Post imported post

    45acpForMe wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Kill 'em all... let their Allah sort them out. Oh, and rub them down with bacon then piss on them for a just sendoff.
    I forget where I read it but it made 100% sense. We could stop homicide bombers today if we had the balls to announce that from here on, any terrorist/homicide-bombers remains would be wrapped & buriedin pigskin.

    If they believe their religion enough to kill, they should believe it enough that by being wrapped in pigskin they will be guaranteed hell and have no chance of heaven.

    Of course the political correct police would have a field day with that policy!
    Remember (or lissen up if yer a youngun) how kids used to be told not to hit anyone wearing glasses? No kidding, we were told that bck in the day. Anyway I remember a cartoon short of a little pest who wore glasses who would provoke and provoke people until they got ready to cream him good, and then he would point to his specs and say: "ah, ah, ah! glasses!" and they let him go Of course in the end everybody finally got fed up with his little game and beat his a$$ but good.

    How prophetic for a cartoon. This same stuff is happening now, for real, and soon the same result. If any of you PC Punx are reading this, you better take a warning. We are getting right sick of your crapola to the point that some of you are going to get fat lips or worse. And I don't give a tinker's damn if you wear glasses or not.

  19. #19
    Regular Member simmonsjoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Mattaponi, Virginia, United States
    Posts
    1,664

    Post imported post

    45acpForMe wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Kill 'em all... let their Allah sort them out. Oh, and rub them down with bacon then piss on them for a just sendoff.
    I forget where I read it but it made 100% sense. We could stop homicide bombers today if we had the balls to announce that from here on, any terrorist/homicide-bombers remains would be wrapped & buriedin pigskin.

    If they believe their religion enough to kill, they should believe it enough that by being wrapped in pigskin they will be guaranteed hell and have no chance of heaven.

    Of course the political correct police would have a field day with that policy!
    This is silly. The Koran says pigs are forbidden to eat. It doesn't say they are dirty or unclean anywhere. It doesn't say you can't wear them. Islam is adamant that you cannot be forced into sin, so what you do with their remains doesn't effect them.

    Secondly, there is usually very little if anything left of a suicide bomber to wrap.

    If you want to fight these psychos it is good to try and understand where their perversions and evils lie, and where they truly come from. Intelligent and evil leadership that recruits an unending stream of somewhat ignorant disenfranchised persons. The key is recruitment. Stop recruitment by discrediting the recruiters. When your trying to stop Muslims from being radicalized by these psychos, its good to be able to have an argument against them that is reasonable (relatively).

    Or we could go the WWIII route, killing millions and millions of people on all sides. Something I'm reluctant to do. Just remember WWII started when a country decided it had good reason to attack a certain ethnic group. History does not look upon them favorably.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
    [SIZE=1]"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. "Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent." - Thomas Jefferson
    G19 Gen 4; Bersa Thunder 380; Sig Sauer P238; Kel-Tec su-16c

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •