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    Whats B&I?

    Second, they have your tag, I'm betting any amount of money they're going to make up a story saying you pulled out your gun or threatened to pull your gun, which could very well lead to an arrest warrant.

    Call the manager, demand an explanation for their actions, if you get anything less than a 'they're dumbasses, and I'm sorry', then call the police yourself, and file a complaint.

    FURTHER, guards/armed guards are required to have their guards license at all times and must surrender it upon request BY ANYONE. If you're ever challenged again, DO SO. You'd be surprised how many unlicensed security guards there are...

    Washington Revised Code RCW 18.170.070: License cards and certificates — Issuance and requirements.

    (1) The director shall issue a private security guard license card to each licensed private security guard and an armed private security guard license card to each armed private security guard.

    (...)

    (b) A private security guard shall carry the license card whenever he or she is performing the duties of a private security guard and shall exhibit the card upon request.

    (c) An armed private security guard shall carry the license card whenever he or she is performing the duties of an armed private security guard and shall exhibit the card upon request.

    (...)


    At the very least, it's simple assault.

    If you delve into it, you may see coercion, unlawful imprisonment, and conspiracy to commit (if there was more than one actively attempting to detain)..

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    Thousand questions and suggestions, but I'll limit to a few biggies.

    Did you call and report it - if not, I would immediately, except for maybe contacting an attorney first. Don't wait for LE to come knocking on your door late at night.

    Would consider filling appropriate charges against these people and likely the store too.

    I would post nothing further here (not even answers to my questions) until after speaking with council.

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    I'd also suggest you remove your story...

    The last part sounds like a taunt, a more appropriate response would be 'get off of me' or 'let me go'... I understand in the heat of the moment things can get rough though...
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    You are right about the license, HOWEVER, there is one very large loophole in this law. Only contract companies are required to license their officers. Private Security Guard is a misnomer...it refers to contract / multi employer security officers.

    See below. So a true "Private security officer" rather than a "contract security officer" (to use the actual terms in real world use) does not need to be licensed by the state. If the security officer has a company name on their arm patch which is not the name of the store you are in, they are most likely contract. Otherwise it is a pretty good bet they are either "private / in house" security or some little fly by night unlicensed "building attendant" contractor without a license.

    BTW I am a security manager who works with licensing regularly

    RCW 18.170.020Exemptions.
    The requirements of this chapter do not apply to:

    (1) A person who is employed exclusively or regularly by one employer and performs the functions of a private security guard solely in connection with the affairs of that employer, if the employer is not a private security company;

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    Man, the balls on those SG's. Don't they know that messing with a cornered animal will just have that animal bite them where it hurts? Good job on keeping your ground there, I know that it might of been tough trying to really keep your cool.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    WHAT IS B & I?!?
    That place is still around? Last time I was there, they still had the live gorilla.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    Thanks! I guess maybe I should have googled B & I! Is there a food court there for an open carry gathering?

    Maybe tomorrow after a trip to the WAC show???

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    I am headed to the show in the morning, but a lunch gathering of 10 to 15 people and the 'security' would be overwhelmed.
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    By stating they don't allow people with firearms into the B&I. Wouldn't they already be willing to order you to leave? I'm thinking this might just be a show up and leave event.

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    be in different places, just shopping, not knowing each other at all....
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    sempercarry wrote:
    could be....perhaps show up CCing, order food then sit down and take off coats. "you want our group to leave?....we arent together....I don't know any of these people."
    Cool idea, but looks way too organized. You're not trying to shove it in their faces, just let them know that a lot of people carry during every-day business. That kind of thing will just piss them off and put them on the defensive.

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    Isn't thee B&I Shopping Center kind of a Mini-Mall? When did they start employing armed security guards. If they do, I think that would make them the only one in the State. Somehow I don't see any "Paul Blart" Mall Security types with anything more than cuff's and maybe pepper spray.

    Just wondering.
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    They backed away and kinda motioned that they wouldn't go for their guns...like a half assed "hands up" position....hands at in front of their chests.
    I think that's the universal sign for "don't shoot me".



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    sempercarry wrote:
    I hadn't been at B&I
    Abbreviations should be spelled out first in posts, thanks.

    "Rule 8: ... Use of abbreviations and acronyms should be minimized and always defined."



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    antispam540 wrote:
    sempercarry wrote:
    could be....perhaps show up CCing, order food then sit down and take off coats. "you want our group to leave?....we arent together....I don't know any of these people."
    Cool idea, but looks way too organized. You're not trying to shove it in their faces, just let them know that a lot of people carry during every-day business. That kind of thing will just piss them off and put them on the defensive.
    I don't have any problem with being organized. Especially when someone like these SG's does something incredibley stupic like this. If I was the manager of this mall I would fire two hot headed guys like this. Even if my policy wasn't to allow firearms. They are huge liabilities to the mall.
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    NavyLT wrote:
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    I don't have any problem with being organized. Especially when someone like these SG's does something incredibley stupic like this. If I was the manager of this mall I would fire two hot headed guys like this. Even if my policy wasn't to allow firearms. They are huge liabilities to the mall.
    If their policy is to ban firearms, then wouldn't their security guards be in violation of that policy?
    Yep but we see that hypocrisy all the time. Mayor Nickels and his armed posse comes to mind.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Mike wrote:
    sempercarry wrote:
    I hadn't been at B&I
    Abbreviations should be spelled out first in posts, thanks.

    "Rule 8: ... Use of abbreviations and acronyms should be minimized and always defined."

    Bradshaw (Leo) & Irwin (Earl) - who opened the store in 1946.

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    OK, seriously? B&I is the name of the shopping center on the big sign out front. It's an acronym, but also the name of the freaking place. Give the guy a break. I've never tried to OC in the B&I just because I know their policy, but CC every time I've gone in. Haven't gone in several years. Pretty shady place. I can't say you did anything wrong sempercarry, except I agree with everyone here in that I would have called the police. They attempted to unlawfully restrain you and very nearly escalated the situation to the level of deadly force.

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    kwiebe wrote:
    Mike wrote:
    sempercarry wrote:
    I hadn't been at B&I
    Abbreviations should be spelled out first in posts, thanks.

    "Rule 8: ... Use of abbreviations and acronyms should be minimized and always defined."

    Bradshaw (Leo) & Irwin (Earl) - who opened the store in 1946.
    And the sign merely says "B&I". This isan abbreviation or acronym, it is THE name of the shopping center, as it has been for over 60 years.

    Just a side-note, they used to have a Gorilla in a cage in the basement. Big hubub over keeping him alone for years. Now HE could have handled security:celebrate

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    Mike wrote:
    sempercarry wrote:
    I hadn't been at B&I
    Abbreviations should be spelled out first in posts, thanks.

    "Rule 8: ... Use of abbreviations and acronyms should be minimized and always defined."

    We should have a cheat sheet with all commonly used abbreviations. I'm going bald from sitting here scratching my head trying to figure some of these out.
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    amzbrady wrote:
    We should have a cheat sheet with all commonly used abbreviations
    Not needed if people just follow rule 8 which s standard writing ettiquete anyway - this web site's archives are becoming the wikepedia of the gun rights world - make your posts count, accurate, concise, and all abbreviations spelled out.

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