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Scott Brown (R) to replace Ted Kennedy in MA

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I support safe and responsible gun ownership.

Meaning what?
Safety is the first act of security theater and the tyrant's tool because no one can be against safety.

Remember that Bush-41 looked good, Bush-43 looked good and Sarah Palin still looks good. Be careful thinking that Brown (R) looks good standing next to Obungler on top of a Kennedy's grave - hell, even HankT would look good in that company. You might not want hesnither as penisident.
 

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Oh, fuss fuss fuss! I swear some of you guys want to boil the ocean, I mean the perfect is the enemy of good enough. Brown may not be our "ideal gun candidate" but he's a damn sight better than Cuckoo Coakley. And the shock to the left is palpable. So is the elevation of the mood of the general public; I can sense it among my passengers.

As I have said a hundred times, the Ratz know better than to directly assault the RTKBA community, so they had pinned their hopes on their precious "filibuster proof" majority to ram everything through. They literally elected a clown - the appalling Al Franken - after one hellacious battle in Minnesota to get it. With such a majority they had hoped to get Obamacare and other legislation passed which would have enabled bureaucrats to issue regulations which could directly or indirectly ultimately make owning a firearm impractical. Now that is gone.

And, the shock of supposedly safely Democrat Massachussetts electing a Republican to a seat held by one of the worst Statist liberals in history for almost 50 years has got red and purple state Democrats backpedalling.

Yeah the words "safe" and "responsible" raise red flags, but who here is against being "safe and responsible"?? Who could be?? The devil is in the derfinition, you know. To me being "safe and responsible" means keeping my boogerhook off the bangswitch until I am ready to fire, muzzle discipline, etc; and making sure my weapons don't get into the wrong hands (to include agents of the government). To the Bradyites "safe" means "only in the hands of the police" and "responsible" means turning in your firearms for destruction by the deadline.

Right now the Massachussetts election means that the levee has been sandbagged. Now we shall see what Mr. Brown does. As Rush Limbaugh once said: "When a politician wants your vote he will tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear. So when considering a candidate for offfice, DON'T listen to what they SAY. You just watch what they do!!"

Good advice IMHO.
 

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Republicans have only one answer to the real challenges of our time: "NO"

Go DemonRatz!

That's a rather hypocritical view. After all, what has been the DemonRatz answer when Republicans have offered alternative solutions to the healthcare problems?

NO! NO! NO!

And what happened to all that bi-partisanship the DemonRatz were promising when they wanted votes. Haven't seen any of that in re the Healthcare bills. The Republicans have been locked out of all the discussions and planning of it.

Oh, andhow about that transparency Obama, Pelosi, and Ried promised? We haven't seen this much secrecy since the old USSR days.
 

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The ENTIRE point is that a liberal "safe seat", the one that was able to be held by a drunken, womanizing, unethical, murderer for 50 years has gone to a Republican at a time when it was absolutely necessary for the Republicans to pick up another seat in the Senate.

The fate of America hinged on the results of the Massachusetts election. Had the democrat won, Soetoro, Reid, and Pelosi would have continued to ram their liberal socialist agenda down the thoats of an American citizenry which has already voiced their extreme displeasure, across all political boundaries, with the direction Barry Soetoro's administration is taking them.

With the election won by a republican, the super majority held in the Sentate has vaporized before their eyes. Soetoro has seen the writing on teh wall and stepped back, Pelosi has not, and I haven't had time to check on any comments by Reid but I've heard he's now really concerned with "job creation".

Perhaps the average Joe doesn't see it but had a republican candidate not won, thus giving the party enough votes to be a viable check against the unrestrained democrats, there is no doubt that the second amendment would have suffered. With ANY republican, even one who wasn't pro gun, it is magnitudes safer than it would have been with any democrat (and the remaining super majority in the Senate) in the seat.

We must now turn the mid term elections into a complete route of the democratic party while simultaneously reminding the republican party that they need to stick to their conservative roots or be replaced.

Yesterdays election may very well have saved America from an armed and violent revolution that may very well havce resulted from continued unrestrained transformation into a socialist country.
 

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We-the-People wrote:
We must now turn the mid term elections into a complete route of the democratic party while simultaneously reminding the republican party that they need to stick to their conservative roots or be replaced.

Can't be done, unfortunately. I think the senate will only have about a third of the seats up for re-election, and not all of those are currently filled by Dems. Not sure what the House looks like in regards to seats up for re-election.

But, what we don't get a shot at in the midterms, we'll have more to target in 2012. You'll never get rid of all the Dems, but we might make them rather scarce, at lest for awhile until the Repub's mess up again.
 

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Task Force 16 wrote:
We-the-People wrote:
We must now turn the mid term elections into a complete route of the democratic party while simultaneously reminding the republican party that they need to stick to their conservative roots or be replaced.

Can't be done, unfortunately. I think the senate will only have about a third of the seats up for re-election, and not all of those are currently filled by Dems. Not sure what the House looks like in regards to seats up for re-election.

But, what we don't get a shot at in the midterms, we'll have more to target in 2012. You'll never get rid of all the Dems, but we might make them rather scarce, at lest for awhile until the Repub's mess up again.
Why has "O! Fortuna! been playing in my head every time I think about politics??
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
Task Force 16 wrote:
We-the-People wrote:
We must now turn the mid term elections into a complete route of the democratic party while simultaneously reminding the republican party that they need to stick to their conservative roots or be replaced.

Can't be done, unfortunately. I think the senate will only have about a third of the seats up for re-election, and not all of those are currently filled by Dems. Not sure what the House looks like in regards to seats up for re-election.

But, what we don't get a shot at in the midterms, we'll have more to target in 2012. You'll never get rid of all the Dems, but we might make them rather scarce, at lest for awhile until the Repub's mess up again.
Why has "O! Fortuna! been playing in my head every time I think about politics??

Well we're not going to get a majority but with the tide turned with a sucessful sweep of a few more "traditionally" democrat seats, those democrats who do survive or haven't been up for election will have to either change their tune (and truly work WITH republicans) or face the prospect of still further losses in 2012 and beyond.

Of course if the republicans don't get their act in order and respond to the popular uprising of the voice of the people, we could end up see sawing back and forth for some time.

On the bright side, so long as neither side has a super majority, if either side want's to be stupid they won't get anything done. Our system was set up by the founding fathers to do just that in order to make it diffcult to change things.

Looks like even today, 220+ years after the Constitution was written, that they were pretty derned smart about how government, regardless of how well written the Constitution was, would get out of control should they make it simple to change things.
 

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Task Force 16 wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Republicans have only one answer to the real challenges of our time: "NO"

Go DemonRatz!

That's a rather hypocritical view. After all, what has been the DemonRatz answer when Republicans have offered alternative solutions to the healthcare problems?

NO! NO! NO!

And what happened to all that bi-partisanship the DemonRatz were promising when they wanted votes. Haven't seen any of that in re the Healthcare bills. The Republicans have been locked out of all the discussions and planning of it.

Oh, andhow about that transparency Obama, Pelosi, and Ried promised? We haven't seen this much secrecy since the old USSR days.
Health care langushed in the Senate for months while a certain Senator from Montana held meeting after meeting with republican senators in an effort to craft "bipartisan" reform.

The result? Squat! Mitch McConnell let it be known that this was the big stick he wished to use against democratic donkeys nationally, and that he would tolerate no compromises.

This hasn't changed a bit -- lets see how much the republicans want to compromise now that they've kicked the door down.
 

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We-the-People wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
Task Force 16 wrote:
We-the-People wrote:
We must now turn the mid term elections into a complete route of the democratic party while simultaneously reminding the republican party that they need to stick to their conservative roots or be replaced.

Can't be done, unfortunately. I think the senate will only have about a third of the seats up for re-election, and not all of those are currently filled by Dems. Not sure what the House looks like in regards to seats up for re-election.

But, what we don't get a shot at in the midterms, we'll have more to target in 2012. You'll never get rid of all the Dems, but we might make them rather scarce, at lest for awhile until the Repub's mess up again.
Why has "O! Fortuna! been playing in my head every time I think about politics??

Well we're not going to get a majority but with the tide turned with a sucessful sweep of a few more "traditionally" democrat seats, those democrats who do survive or haven't been up for election will have to either change their tune (and truly work WITH republicans) or face the prospect of still further losses in 2012 and beyond.

Of course if the republicans don't get their act in order and respond to the popular uprising of the voice of the people, we could end up see sawing back and forth for some time.

On the bright side, so long as neither side has a super majority, if either side want's to be stupid they won't get anything done. Our system was set up by the founding fathers to do just that in order to make it diffcult to change things.

Looks like even today, 220+ years after the Constitution was written, that they were pretty derned smart about how government, regardless of how well written the Constitution was, would get out of control should they make it simple to change things.

I have my doubts that the republicans will find too many more perfect storms blowing their way like they did in Mass.

But that doesn't mean that democrats in the senate will have an easy time doing anything "stupid" -- or indeed anything at all -- now that the supermajority is gone.

There are times -- like when we are fighting our way out of a recession -- when we want government to be dynamic, albeit not "over-reaching."

Forgive me if I am not over-enthused to see the muck collecting on the dynamo.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
e-mail from the wife; "The Republic is alive and well and flexed its muscles yesterday.
Take note pseudo ruling class, for the the second time in the history of this great country, the people of Massachusetts have thrown the tea over the side.
Yeeee-haaaa!"


A Libertarian candidate in MA has less ofthe same chance asa snowball in hell. If anything... 'twas the Independents who pulled this off.

We just witnessed the election to the Senate of a future President. A Republican JFK.

Ya beat me to it Rebel!!! I totally agree. This guy is gonna run and possibly win in 2012. I've been watching the coverage on Directv News Mix and it's all about Brown and how fast Reid and Obama want to get him seated to placate the masses and show how "bipartisan" they are. Sorry boys, you started to play the game too late and now you're gonna have to deal with it.

I also agree with alot of the sentiments of my fellow OCers: The lesser of the two evils has won the seat, but it sure as hell beats the alternative. Brown claims to work for the people, so now its up to the residents of MA to tell him what they want. Just like precision target shooting: the gun will do its part if you do yours.

Either that or I've been taking to much Nyquil. This cold sucks!!!
 

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The Donkey wrote:
We-the-People wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
Task Force 16 wrote:
We-the-People wrote:
We must now turn the mid term elections into a complete route of the democratic party while simultaneously reminding the republican party that they need to stick to their conservative roots or be replaced.

Can't be done, unfortunately. I think the senate will only have about a third of the seats up for re-election, and not all of those are currently filled by Dems. Not sure what the House looks like in regards to seats up for re-election.

But, what we don't get a shot at in the midterms, we'll have more to target in 2012. You'll never get rid of all the Dems, but we might make them rather scarce, at lest for awhile until the Repub's mess up again.
Why has "O! Fortuna! been playing in my head every time I think about politics??

Well we're not going to get a majority but with the tide turned with a sucessful sweep of a few more "traditionally" democrat seats, those democrats who do survive or haven't been up for election will have to either change their tune (and truly work WITH republicans) or face the prospect of still further losses in 2012 and beyond.

Of course if the republicans don't get their act in order and respond to the popular uprising of the voice of the people, we could end up see sawing back and forth for some time.

On the bright side, so long as neither side has a super majority, if either side want's to be stupid they won't get anything done. Our system was set up by the founding fathers to do just that in order to make it diffcult to change things.

Looks like even today, 220+ years after the Constitution was written, that they were pretty derned smart about how government, regardless of how well written the Constitution was, would get out of control should they make it simple to change things.

I have my doubts that the republicans will find too many more perfect storms blowing their way like they did in Mass.

But that doesn't mean that democrats in the senate will have an easy time doing anything "stupid" -- or indeed anything at all -- now that the supermajority is gone.

There are times -- like when we are fighting our way out of a recession -- when we want government to be dynamic, albeit not "over-reaching."

Forgive me if I am not over-enthused to see the muck collecting on the dynamo.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Donk.

The "perfect storm" did not originate in Massachussetts. No, a cold, dry desperate economy generateda horizontal wind of blue-collar desperation, and was met with a great big wet fromt of Demon-Rat hot air about "hope" and "change". Don't know about you, Donk, but I am from the Midwest and I know what happens next. Tornado City!!

"We want government to be dynamic"? What you meanum "WE", white man? Government being dynamic caused this situation, and the one gift your party has given these United States is to show what happens when the government tries to do everything instead of just what the Constitution says it may and must.

They said Social Security was to "guarantee" our retirement, but when push came to shove, SCOTUS ruled that we have no expectation of our FICA "investment" everbeing given back when we retire. They say we should register our weapons and rely on the "trained" police for our safety, but when push came to shove, SCOTUS ruled that we have no reasonable expectation that the police will keep us safe. The Demonratz have done NOTHING except to attempt to disarm the people and take as much of their money as possible. Here in Virginia, we call that "armed robbery" and it carries a sentence of five years to life.

Oh yeah, since you Democrats like to yell "racism"; let me tell you that I am qualified to say "what you meanum WE white man" by lief of my being 1/8 Cherokee. :p
 

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Provide for the common defense.

Promote the GENERAL welfare (not welfare or nanny state)

Secure the blessings of life and liberty to ourselves AND OUR POSTERITY

ANY QUESTIONS?



There is no Constitutional authority for the BATF

Even if we accept that the BATF is authorized by the commerce clause, where is the authority to ban you or I from creating our own firearm or suppressor if we manufacture it in our own home state and never take it out of the state or sell it out of state?

Answer: There is none.

Yet if you or I decides to make a firearm or suppressor with no intention of it ever crossing a state line in commerce or even for our personal use, the BATF will come down upon us with their jack booted thugs, military tactics, and unethical conduct.

The time is near, keep your powder dry, your supplies stocked, and your mind alert to the threat.
 

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For some time now, whethera politican was a Republican or Democrat didn't seem to makemuch different since the two parties were/are so similar, and the nation went on -- business as usual -- despite whatever party dominated.Besides, even when the Republicans DID have the majority, they did very little for the RKBA/2nd Amendment -- especially the sorry Republican Presidents Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.

Consequently, I see Brown winning sorry Kennedy's seat as not --with any real substance -- meaning a whole lot.

-- John D.
 

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cloudcroft wrote:
For some time now, whethera politican was a Republican or Democrat didn't seem to makemuch different since the two parties were/are so similar, and the nation went on -- business as usual -- despite whatever party dominated.Besides, even when the Republicans DID have the majority, they did very little for the RKBA/2nd Amendment -- especially the sorry Republican Presidents Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.

Consequently, I see Brown winning sorry Kennedy's seat as not --with any real substance -- meaning a whole lot.

-- John D.

Well if you call 1/7th of the national economy being turned into the biggest social program in the history of this nation "no real substance" then I guess you'd be right.

Brown's win HAS killed socialized medicine in this country. It HAS caused Obama to stagger. It HAS caused Pelosi and Reids blood pressure to go up, their power to go down, and their credibility to be hammered.

Yeah, no big deal!
 

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Couldn't care less about healthcare since I'm not your average "American" who seems to be more concerned about $$ (how THEIR pocketbook is impacted) than the more serious ills that afflict this country. So yeah, it's no big deal.

Besides,the Dems are only postponed in their agenda, not done with it. Like their anti-gun efforts, theywill "endeavor to persevere." (movie quote)

Dream on, though.

-- John D.
 

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Health care langushed in the Senate for months while a certain Senator from Montana held meeting after meeting with republican senators in an effort to craft "bipartisan" reform.

The result? Squat! Mitch McConnell let it be known that this was the big stick he wished to use against democratic donkeys nationally, and that he would tolerate no compromises.

This hasn't changed a bit -- lets see how much the republicans want to compromise now that they've kicked the door down.
Ummm ... craft "bipartisan" reform???

I believe the American public spoke loudly and clearly when we insisted that any Healthcare reform not include public funding for abortions, public healthcare for illegal immigrants, no 'death panels' (yes, I believe that was part of Obamacare, if you don't, it's not open for discussion with me), and the hidden tax costs, and the dismantling of our private healthcare system and subsequent government takeover.

The uncompromising ones were the Democrats who demonstrated publicly just how much they listened to their constituents during the townhall meetings.

IMHO, republicans have been the ones to compromise in the spirit of bipartisanship over the past 40 years and it is time to stop the compromises! They are what led us to this irrational precipice with our economy in shambles, our posterity in debt before they are even born, and a democrat majority in congress that is out of control.

Not only is this nation in trouble internally, but our image of strength and independence has been marred internationally by a subservient, kowtowing, "neither fish nor fowl" political whore who not only sells out to unions and social-engineering special interest groups at home, but in foreign nations to heads of state that are idealogically opposed to our American Values.

The problem isn't Democrat/Republican, liberal/conservative, or socialist/republican, it is that the last election demonstrated the appalling lack of critical thinking in an amazingly large portion of the American Public. IMHO a plethora of today's 'social ills' could be greatly reduced with an education system designed to teach and enhance critical thinking.
 

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okboomer wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Health care langushed in the Senate for months while a certain Senator from Montana held meeting after meeting with republican senators in an effort to craft "bipartisan" reform.

The result? Squat! Mitch McConnell let it be known that this was the big stick he wished to use against democratic donkeys nationally, and that he would tolerate no compromises.

This hasn't changed a bit -- lets see how much the republicans want to compromise now that they've kicked the door down.
Ummm ... craft "bipartisan" reform???

I believe the American public spoke loudly and clearly when we insisted that any Healthcare reform not include public funding for abortions, public healthcare for illegal immigrants, no 'death panels' (yes, I believe that was part of Obamacare, if you don't, it's not open for discussion with me), and the hidden tax costs, and the dismantling of our private healthcare system and subsequent government takeover.

The uncompromising ones were the Democrats who demonstrated publicly just how much they listened to their constituents during the townhall meetings.

IMHO, republicans have been the ones to compromise in the spirit of bipartisanship over the past 40 years and it is time to stop the compromises! They are what led us to this irrational precipice with our economy in shambles, our posterity in debt before they are even born, and a democrat majority in congress that is out of control.

Not only is this nation in trouble internally, but our image of strength and independence has been marred internationally by a subservient, kowtowing, "neither fish nor fowl" political whore who not only sells out to unions and social-engineering special interest groups at home, but in foreign nations to heads of state that are idealogically opposed to our American Values.

The problem isn't Democrat/Republican, liberal/conservative, or socialist/republican, it is that the last election demonstrated the appalling lack of critical thinking in an amazingly large portion of the American Public. IMHO a plethora of today's 'social ills' could be greatly reduced with an education system designed to teach and enhance critical thinking.


+100 Except that I am currently in our "educational system" as a student and I have to tell you.....there is a lot of "critical thinking" being taught. Unfortunatly, you're only allowed to be critical of conservative values, ideals, policies, and such.

I wrote an argumentative paper (the subject and your position on it is not relevant, only the way that the argument made was "handled" by academia) titled "Second hand smoke is not hazardous to humans". My evidence was the supposed "science" used by the anti-smoking groups to press for more and more legal restrictions on smoking based on the science of harm done involuntarilly to non smokers. In the end, the professor stated "You have proven your point but you used facts and you can not argue the facts".

WTF? You see, liberal academia encourages critical thinking.....so long as it is the right kind of thinking. The very fact that they teach students that you must argue without using facts, even if you use the oppositions facts, points to a serious disconnect with the values upon which this country was formed and has endured.
 

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IMHO a plethora of today's 'social ills' could be greatly reduced with an education system designed to teach and enhance critical thinking.

+1

Of course, whose to tell who really needs the education.:?
 

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"Unfortunatly, you're only allowed to be critical of conservative values, ideals, policies, and such." -- We-the-People

Of course!

I mean they also talk about "embracing diversity" on college/university campuses...but they don't mean "embracing diversity" of a CONSERVATIVE nature. And they preach"encouraging diversity" -- as if "diversity" was EVER any kind of strength (it never was) -- by allowing lower GPA minorities to attend (Affirmative Action, alive and well) to get a "diverseeducational experience" (what total crap -- I couldn't care less for such "diversity").So the dumbing-down of America continues.

That was one reason I didn't pursue my Ph.D. (stoppedonly halfway up the Ivory Tower with aMA): Trying to get a tenure spot at almost all universites in this country -- as a CONSERVATIVE no-nonsense professor -- was so unlikely it was (still is) next to impossible.

But diplomas DO look nice when used as wall decor items.;-)

-- John D.
 
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