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Thread: Accidental Discharge at SEG on 01/03/2010

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    On Sunday evening a Member of the Silver Eagle Group sustained an injury to his leg and foot when he accidentally discharged his firearm while holstering it on the range. The SEG Team immediately administered first aid to the injured party, rendered all ranges safe and had the Member transported to the emergency room. It is anticipated that he will make a full recovery. In an effort to safeguard his privacy, SEG is not releasing the name of the injured Member. We would like to remind all shooters the importance of safe handling techniques and proper firearm maintenance.

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    SAFETY ON! SAFETY ON!

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    A synopsis of what occurred may be beneficial to others as a training tool. No names needed.
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    Yes, I agree with ProShooter.

    What sort of drill were they doing?

    What firearm was being used?

    What Holster was being used?

    We need details, so we can learn from this, not just an "ambulance chaser" synopsis...


    Oh, and BTW, there is NO SUCH THING as an AD. Only ND's...
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    Dreamer wrote:
    Oh, and BTW, there is NO SUCH THING as an AD. Only ND's...
    Actually, there is....

    An AD is best defined as a malfunction of the weapon. Something mechanical goes wrong which causes it to fire. It does happen, albeit rare.

    An ND is usually what we see though, in 99.9% of the other situations.
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    My guess? Probably had his finger in the trigger guard of a Glock (or similar design, no external hammer to hold thumb over) when holstering.

    eta: not a bash on Glocks or similar guns, its just that they're less forgiving of poor gun safety/handling.

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    They have already circled the wagons.......doubt you'll hear or see more except maybe from an insider.

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    No one ever won a gun fight with a speedy re-holstering. Fast out, slow in.

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    Dreamer wrote:
    Oh, and BTW, there is NO SUCH THING as an AD. Only ND's...
    Untrue. This is an unreasonably high standard we gunowners have burdened ourselves with in order to try to appear more responsible to the general public. Basically, we are playing by the antis' rules and painting ourselves into the corner that no one may possess afirearm unless they can prove themselves to be absolutely accident-proof.

    Proshooter is correct, accidents can happen in which the shooter is not liable, though it is rare.

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    mpg9999 wrote:
    No one ever won a gun fight with a speedy re-holstering. Fast out, slow in.
    That's a great point. Another Hollywood image that needs to be un-taught.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    No one ever won a gun fight with a speedy re-holstering. Fast out, slow in.
    That's a great point. Another Hollywood image that needs to be un-taught.
    Good observation.
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    With bulky winter clothing, it is also possible that some clothes got caught in the trigger guard.

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    VCDL President wrote:
    With bulky winter clothing, it is also possible that some clothes got caught in the trigger guard.
    Yes, but aren't Silver Eagle's ranges (including their "tactical shotgun range") all indoor ranges?...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Dreamer wrote:
    Yes, I agree with ProShooter.

    What sort of drill were they doing?

    What firearm was being used?

    What Holster was being used?

    We need details, so we can learn from this, not just an "ambulance chaser" synopsis...
    My immediate questions.

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    ProShooter wrote:
    A synopsis of what occurred may be beneficial to others as a training tool. No names needed.
    Don't know but I bet 10 to 1 that it was a finger in the trigger guard while holstering that did it.......

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    A synopsis of what occurred may be beneficial to others as a training tool. No names needed.
    Don't know but I bet 10 to 1 that it was a finger in the trigger guard while holstering that did it.......
    Chances that this opinion is correct about 99.999%. (So called ND)

    Chances that there was a malfunction of the weapon that caused a discharge about .0009% (so called AD)

    Possibility that it was some other cause about .0001% (so called Supernatural Discharge)

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    A synopsis of what occurred may be beneficial to others as a training tool. No names needed.
    Don't know but I bet 10 to 1 that it was a finger in the trigger guard while holstering that did it.......
    Chances that this opinion is correct about 99.999%. (So called ND)

    Chances that there was a malfunction of the weapon that caused a discharge about .0009% (so called AD)

    Possibility that it was some other cause about .0001% (so called Supernatural Discharge)

    Regards

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    I'd be willing to bet two things.

    1. It wasn't a 1911
    2. It wasn't a revolver

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    Dreamer wrote:
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    With bulky winter clothing, it is also possible that some clothes got caught in the trigger guard.
    Yes, but aren't Silver Eagle's ranges (including their "tactical shotgun range") all indoor ranges?...
    According to all the info I have, ranges are indoors and climate controlled.
    http://www.silvereagle-group.com/index_current.html

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    peter nap wrote:
    Hawkflyer wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Don't know but I bet 10 to 1 that it was a finger in the trigger guard while holstering that did it......
    Chances that this opinion is correct about 99.999%. (So called ND)

    Chances that there was a malfunction of the weapon that caused a discharge about .0009% (so called AD)

    Possibility that it was some other cause about .0001% (so called Supernatural Discharge)

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    I'd be willing to bet two things.

    1. It wasn't a 1911
    2. It wasn't a revolver
    Candidate/student for DCJS instructor at a local academy, in drawing his revolver apparently snagged the hammer on something, jammed the gun back down to free the snag with his finger already on the trigger - promptly shot himself in the leg.

    He did not follow range safety rule - Do NOT put your finger on the trigger until the gun is on target. They were taught to draw with a straight trigger finger and required to sign the range safety rules.

    Two things happened: He was taken to the hospital & flunked out of class w/notation "Not Allowed To Repeat."

    Yata hey


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    Grapeshot wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    Hawkflyer wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Don't know but I bet 10 to 1 that it was a finger in the trigger guard while holstering that did it......
    Chances that this opinion is correct about 99.999%. (So called ND)

    Chances that there was a malfunction of the weapon that caused a discharge about .0009% (so called AD)

    Possibility that it was some other cause about .0001% (so called Supernatural Discharge)

    Regards
    I'd be willing to bet two things.

    1. It wasn't a 1911
    2. It wasn't a revolver
    Candidate/student for DCJS instructor at a local academy, in drawing his revolver apparently snagged the hammer on something, jammed the gun back down to free the snag with his finger already on the trigger - promptly shot himself in the leg.

    He did not follow range safety rule - Do NOT put your finger on the trigger until the gun is on target. They were taught to draw with a straight trigger finger and required to sign the range safety rules.

    Two things happened: He was taken to the hospital & flunked out of class w/notation "Not Allowed To Repeat."

    Yata hey

    Leave it to ol' Grape for getting the scoop!

    and a big raspberry to all of you Glock naysayers! haha.
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    ProShooter wrote:
    Leave it to ol' Grape for getting the scoop!

    and a big raspberry to all of you Glock naysayers! haha.
    Same as you clean a cat box - one scoop at a time. :P

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    mpg9999 wrote:
    No one ever won a gun fight with a speedy re-holstering. Fast out, slow in.
    That is just great! I think i'll have to make a slide like that for our powerpoint slide on range safety!


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    aquinob1 wrote:
    mpg9999 wrote:
    No one ever won a gun fight with a speedy re-holstering. Fast out, slow in.
    That is just great! I think i'll have to make a slide like that for our powerpoint slide on range safety!
    I took this guy shooting once, he had never shot a gun I think. Anyway I handed him my .45 unloaded and he immediately put his finger on the trigger. I knew I'd have to watch him closely because we were going to do some draw and fire exercises. So I instructed him about that andhow a lot of people end up shooting themselves while reholsteringfor the only reason of not being aware of where their finger was and being in the habit of having it on the trigger.

    For the first four or five magazines I made him stop and show me his finger before I would let him reholster. He learned the lesson well. We also shot clay pigeons that day. He must have taken 50 shots without hitting a thing. I couldn't figure out what he was doing wrong. Then I suggested he wait until the pigeon was at apogee before shooting at it. Ha! That did the trick, he got the next 15 or so in a row.

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    Dreamer wrote:
    Oh, and BTW, there is NO SUCH THING as an AD. Only ND's...
    Sure there is such a thing as an AD.

    All NDs are ADs.

    The subset of ADs (or UDs) due to negligence are typically called NDs.



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    ProShooter wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    Hawkflyer wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Don't know but I bet 10 to 1 that it was a finger in the trigger guard while holstering that did it......
    Chances that this opinion is correct about 99.999%. (So called ND)

    Chances that there was a malfunction of the weapon that caused a discharge about .0009% (so called AD)

    Possibility that it was some other cause about .0001% (so called Supernatural Discharge)

    Regards
    I'd be willing to bet two things.

    1. It wasn't a 1911
    2. It wasn't a revolver
    Candidate/student for DCJS instructor at a local academy, in drawing his revolver apparently snagged the hammer on something, jammed the gun back down to free the snag with his finger already on the trigger - promptly shot himself in the leg.

    He did not follow range safety rule - Do NOT put your finger on the trigger until the gun is on target. They were taught to draw with a straight trigger finger and required to sign the range safety rules.

    Two things happened: He was taken to the hospital & flunked out of class w/notation "Not Allowed To Repeat."

    Yata hey

    Leave it to ol' Grape for getting the scoop!

    and a big raspberry to all of you Glock naysayers! haha.
    I knew it wasn't a Glock.
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