ed
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Is any of this off-topic chatter productive?
Is any of this off-topic chatter productive?
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Accidental Discharge at SEG on 01/03/2010
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TFred
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ed wrote:
TFred
ed wrote:
Probably not, but since we aren't likely to hear anything official from the range folks who were involved, very little after the first post was productive.
TFred
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Tomahawk wrote:
Makes sense to me, but maybe I'm a little slow compared to the speed of light.
Yata hey
PS - I did not shoot myself in the foot at SEG.
Tomahawk wrote:
Precisely, I draw at X speed and my reflection "reacts" at X + the speed of light relative to the distance.
Makes sense to me, but maybe I'm a little slow compared to the speed of light.
Yata hey
PS - I did not shoot myself in the foot at SEG.
ed
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Shooter was a USPSA shooter just had trigger work done on hiz CZ75 (to make it about 2lbs) and admits he must not have had his finger out of the way when he was reholstering. He had the targets on a timer and had just completed 50 repetitions with no problem. Shooter did not even know he was hit until he saw his own blood. Waived to RSO who had him lay down. Holster was made by Blade-Tech.
Ed
Shooter was a USPSA shooter just had trigger work done on hiz CZ75 (to make it about 2lbs) and admits he must not have had his finger out of the way when he was reholstering. He had the targets on a timer and had just completed 50 repetitions with no problem. Shooter did not even know he was hit until he saw his own blood. Waived to RSO who had him lay down. Holster was made by Blade-Tech.
Ed
Tomahawk
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Grapeshot wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
<facepalm> No, that's in error...but I'm not going to get into a physics discussion now. Maybe next time we meet.
curtiswr
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ed wrote:
Not a Glock!!
:lol:
ed wrote:
Not a Glock!!
:lol:
Hawkflyer
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Curtis wrote:
Another stereotype shattered.:banghead:
Curtis wrote:
Another stereotype shattered.:banghead:
ed
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by the way, i forgot to mention.. shooter is recovering nicely.
by the way, i forgot to mention.. shooter is recovering nicely.
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Dreamer wrote:
Dreamer wrote:
IMO, what firearm used, what holster being used, and what drill was being conducted is all irrelevant. FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL READY TO FIRE is all that needs to be said!Its just the instinct in todays society to want to know all the details.
ProShooter
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arrron wrote:
Version#1 - Shooter was a USPSA shooter just had trigger work done on hiz CZ75 (to make it about 2lbs) and admits he must not have had his finger out of the way when he was reholstering. He had the targets on a timer and had just completed 50 repetitions with no problem. Shooter did not even know he was hit until he saw his own blood. Waived to RSO who had him lay down. Holster was made by Blade-Tech.
Version #2 - Some guy had his finger on the trigger and shot himself.
From version #1 - As an instructor and someone seeking to use the information as a training tool;I draw from that information that the gun owner was a veteran shooter, who is obviously anexperienced gun handler, even to the point of regularly participating in competative shooting events. He had been on the range for a considerable time and even though he had done things safely 50 times in a row, he still managed to have a negligent discharge. The shock of the ND, probably combined with thesmaller caliber weapon that he was shooting resulted in the fact that he did not know that he had been shot. The same effect may occur on an attacker and they may continue the attack on a citizen without having realized or felt the pain of a gun shot. That is why it is important to understand stopping power as it relates to a defensive firearm.
From version #2 - As an instructor and someone seeking to use the information as a training tool; I draw from that information that some guy shot himself because his finger was on the trigger.
yah, much better....
arrron wrote:
Version#1 - Shooter was a USPSA shooter just had trigger work done on hiz CZ75 (to make it about 2lbs) and admits he must not have had his finger out of the way when he was reholstering. He had the targets on a timer and had just completed 50 repetitions with no problem. Shooter did not even know he was hit until he saw his own blood. Waived to RSO who had him lay down. Holster was made by Blade-Tech.
Version #2 - Some guy had his finger on the trigger and shot himself.
From version #1 - As an instructor and someone seeking to use the information as a training tool;I draw from that information that the gun owner was a veteran shooter, who is obviously anexperienced gun handler, even to the point of regularly participating in competative shooting events. He had been on the range for a considerable time and even though he had done things safely 50 times in a row, he still managed to have a negligent discharge. The shock of the ND, probably combined with thesmaller caliber weapon that he was shooting resulted in the fact that he did not know that he had been shot. The same effect may occur on an attacker and they may continue the attack on a citizen without having realized or felt the pain of a gun shot. That is why it is important to understand stopping power as it relates to a defensive firearm.
From version #2 - As an instructor and someone seeking to use the information as a training tool; I draw from that information that some guy shot himself because his finger was on the trigger.
yah, much better....
cdpmaster
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According to my conversation with the RO on duty during the incident and the Range Master, he was a Security guard who was wearinga jacket that has the strings hanging from it. One of them caught on the hammer, and he reholstered with his booger hook on the bang button. It was a revolver for those of you collecting that information.
Ed, I would love to hear where you came up with your BS story.
According to my conversation with the RO on duty during the incident and the Range Master, he was a Security guard who was wearinga jacket that has the strings hanging from it. One of them caught on the hammer, and he reholstered with his booger hook on the bang button. It was a revolver for those of you collecting that information.
Ed, I would love to hear where you came up with your BS story.
ed
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cdpmaster wrote:
cdpmaster wrote:
More than one person on site. The Official Police Report and the 911 tape and I also know who the guy was (now).
ed
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cdpmaster wrote:
cdpmaster wrote:
QFT
ProShooter
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cdpmaster wrote:
cdpmaster wrote:
Ed, sounds like the new guy is calling you out....haha
ed
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ProShooter wrote:
ProShooter wrote:
Yeah.. I wonder who HE was talking to.cdpmaster wrote:Ed, sounds like the new guy is calling you out....haha
cdpmaster
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Wait...
Post the 911 call
post the police report with proper redactions.
As to new guy... clearing reading for comprehension is difficult for you gentlemen. Check dates of joining.
Wait...
Post the 911 call
post the police report with proper redactions.
As to new guy... clearing reading for comprehension is difficult for you gentlemen. Check dates of joining.
curtiswr
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cdpmaster wrote:
Did you mean clearly?
Writing properly begets reading and comprehending properly.
cdpmaster wrote:
Did you mean clearly?
Writing properly begets reading and comprehending properly.
ProShooter
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cdpmaster wrote:
I suppose that you meant clearly, not clearing. Clearly, typing is difficult for you.
And as for dates of joining, we generally pay that no mind. Its the post count and involvement in the forum that generates seniority and respect among the members....
cdpmaster wrote:
I suppose that you meant clearly, not clearing. Clearly, typing is difficult for you.
And as for dates of joining, we generally pay that no mind. Its the post count and involvement in the forum that generates seniority and respect among the members....
user
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Since I don't use handguns that have "safety" switches, "external safety" to me is watching what I'm doing while holstering. It's too easy to sweep the foot and leg while holstering, and the part of the holster that covers the trigger guard while the gun is in place can catch the trigger while inserting the gun with disastrous results. I try to make it a habit to be conscious of what I'm doing and actually watch carefully while the gun goes in. Haven't shot myself, yet.
Since I don't use handguns that have "safety" switches, "external safety" to me is watching what I'm doing while holstering. It's too easy to sweep the foot and leg while holstering, and the part of the holster that covers the trigger guard while the gun is in place can catch the trigger while inserting the gun with disastrous results. I try to make it a habit to be conscious of what I'm doing and actually watch carefully while the gun goes in. Haven't shot myself, yet.
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ProShooter wrote:
Ed has a history of detailed, accurate postings here. Never known him to be wrong - thought he was once, but he was only mistaken.
Lighten up and check your sources - that's what he did.
Yata hey
ProShooter wrote:
That and you (cdpmaster ) really don't want to get into comparing stats, quals and certifications; you really don't.
Ed has a history of detailed, accurate postings here. Never known him to be wrong - thought he was once, but he was only mistaken.
Lighten up and check your sources - that's what he did.
Yata hey