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    Good article!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    Sounds news worthy to me. Of course I also believe in the constitution and that the government should work for the people by the people but what do I know.

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    I wish more people thought like that.
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    the best part is a guy on our pro sound forums posted the link for us over there. it was great seeing this on a non-gun related forum :-D

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    "An important detail that is neglected in news coverage is that all the multiple-victim public shootings in America - crimes in which more than three people were killed - happened where legal concealed handguns are banned."

    Great article over all but this quote seems highly inaccurate.

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    scot623 wrote:
    this quote seems highly inaccurate.
    Which part seems highly inaccurate?
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    Seriously? You think the statement that ALL mutliple victim shootings have only happened in gun free zones is accurate? Using blanket generalities is never a good way to advance an argument. Here's a link to one of I'm sure dozens of examples of gang related shootings in homes or the streets that have multiple victims. It took me 10 seconds to find this article. I'm sure we have a few home grown examples from Detroit or Flint knowing those war zones.

    But like I said, overall a good pro-gun article. We need more of them.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...n-shootin.html

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    scot623 wrote:
    Seriously? You think the statement that ALL mutliple victim shootings have only happened in gun free zones is accurate?
    I didn't say anything about what I thought of the accuracy of the statement. But you did. You said *highly* inaccurate. Since it's a fact that a very high percentage of multiple victim shootings are in CEZs, *you* are wrong with saying "highly".

    I would agree if you say the statement is "inaccurate to the extent that it is true 95% of the time, but not100% of the time". Or something like that. At worst, it is a "bit inaccurate". Not "highly inaccurate". Words mean stuff . . . particularly when using adjectives.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    And where are you getting your facts that "a high percentage" of multiple victim shootings happen in CEZ's? Maybe only the ones that make the national news. And you are right, words mean things... like the word ALL which implies 100%. We are on the same side here, I'm just trying to not give our enemies reasons to poke holes in our positive stories.

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    scot623 wrote:
    And where are you getting your facts that "a high percentage" of multiple victim shootings happen in CEZ's? Maybe only the ones that make the national news. And you are right, words mean things... like the word ALL which implies 100%. We are on the same side here, I'm just trying to not give our enemies reasons to poke holes in our positive stories.
    Ok, if you want to travel down this road:firstly, you said "highly inaccurate". Define "highly inaccurate". That's somewhere between 0% and 100% inaccurate, because "completely inaccurate" is 100% inaccuracyand "completely accurate" is 0% inaccuracy. Discuss your method and measurement.

    As for mine, as you mention the "news" is the only source I have to what is going on around me outside of my own personal experience with my eyes and ears. Since I have yet to experience even one incident of multiple victim shooting, I can ONLY rely on "news". The "news" that I follow daily nationally and locally indicates that multiple victim shootings occurs in locations which have a legal or private ban on lawful carry in at least 9 out of 10 times, if not greater because I am conservatively estimating on behalf of your argument.

    Please share your method and measurement for the claims you originally made, as I request above.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    I would define Highly as less than 50% accurate. A very simple non scientific search for news articles published on the internet produces volumes of multiple victim shootings that are mostly gang related not happening in CEZ's. Since our country's news media has grown bored of gang violence it is almost never reported on the nightly news anymore, its relagated to the backpage of your local rag. Conversley, people being gunned down at college, school, military bases or at post offices makes great leads for headline news. So in that you only get your facts from nightly newsI can see how your sampling can be improperly skewed.

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