View Poll Results: Would you support lowering the age of carry (handguns) down to 18?

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    Ok. Forget it, can someone please tell me who I send letters to for changing the laws? Am I sending to state legislators or senators or what the heck am I doing?


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    I hate to be a realist here but do you know how likely you are to get that passed into law? Let's just say you won't see in it in your lifetime.

    I'm not saying not to try to do it. Just saying.

    You are looking at best (if a law was considered to repeal and modify current law) at least 3-10 years. It has to be voted on committees after committee and then to the state legislature and so forth. I have to say by the time it was "passed" you would be older than I am. :?

    If you want to do it right - get a lawyer and ask what legal hurdles you are facing. They can also direct you on how best to proceed and direct your energy. Mind you that will cost a bit (retainer and hourly fees). You can always hit up a law school and find a "future" lawyer to do the leg work.

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    If it gets passed then it is worth it to have my future kids to be able to protect themselves. Even if by the time this is passed I can already carry. But I want to get this issue some attention. Is this not for a better future?


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    Poosharker,

    Don't waste your time sending letters to all the legislators -- you have to selectively target those who either might be supportive of your effort, or those who represent the district where you live. Hopefully one or more of your legislators will at least be receptive to your idea.

    Those most likely to be receptive are going to be republicans, however there are democrats in this state who are very supportive of 2A. I do work on legislative issues as part of my job, and I'll be realistic -- unless you can find a supportive democrat, any proposal to lower the carry age has a snowball's chance right now. The political landscape may well change after elections next year, but now is the time to begin your work.

    You can go about this by writing letters, or you can look at the statutes and consider how you would revise them to allow carry by 18-year-olds. I've been drafting legislation recently and working with legislators, so if you have some specific ideas I'd be happy to help with drafts.

    Questions to ponder --

    • Are you proposing CC for 18 year olds, or OC only?
    • What is your fall-back position, if any? Car carry for 18-21 year old?
    • Would you settle for CC/OC for 18-21 with additional training not required of 21+? (similar to hunting at 16 vs. hunting at 18)
    • Would you settle for a limitedintra-state CPL for 18-21 that has no validity in other states?
    One of the challenges you face with this proposal is that if Washington issues CPLs to those under 21, our state would lose reciprocity with other states that require our standards to be equal or greater to theirs.

    Don't be discouraged -- put your mind to work and come up with a workable proposal!

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    Poo, you are young enought to go to school, and become a lawyer. Become a really good defense lawyer, then go on into politics, become a senater, then an Attorney General or visa versa.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    Near as I can figure, if you're old enough to carry a firearm to defend this country, then you're old enough to carry to defend yourself.

    How can that be argued?
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    G22Paddy wrote:
    Near as I can figure, if you're old enough to carry a firearm to defend this country, then you're old enough to carry to defend yourself.

    How can that be argued?
    Stop Making Sense!

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    Wow, thanks for the help guys, I kind have got discouraged a bit after the first post, but I will be making changes, and targeting several folks to send it to them.

    I've always realized how good of a lawyer I could be, but people don't like lawyers very much. Then again, they tend not to like me either.




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    Poosharker wrote:
    Wow, thanks for the help guys, I kind have got discouraged a bit after the first post, but I will be making changes, and targeting several folks to send it to them.

    I've always realized how good of a lawyer I could be, but people don't like lawyers very much. Then again, they tend not to like me either.

    An armed lawyer, even if someone dont like you, they wont let you know.

    BTW, I think your alright, but then I havent met you.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    Sorry I put up such a small post earlier, I was at the library and was rushed.

    Charles Paul Lincoln, thank you for your offer, I will be indeed asking more of those questions, and putting some more work into this, as I know this won't be a small and easy task. I don't understand the works of legislation and all of that, and I will be needing assistance in understanding it.

    amzbrady, exactly, you haven't met me. I am sure if you had encountered me years ago, you would have probably put a couple holes through my skull


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    Nah, Poo you would be surprised. Race may be diff, but doubt past is much diff. I made bad choices when I was younger, (your age) Then I grew up and made better choices. Who knows maybe when you get your life together completely you will grow up to be an old fat whiteredneck also.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    just write to everbody! make youre best arquments! you are articulate and smart, youre reasonable and thoughtfull. you can own a gun! you can vote. you can defend your country. the age of your rights should be adjusted.

    as an aside.. is like to play you a game of pool... or 2 outa 3
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    1245A Defender, apparently you are intelligent too since you know what my username actually means 8 ball or 9 ball?


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    9 ball is a game of luck.... l like to make predetermined shots... so 8 ball is my preference. saw some one call you pool sharker once before,, and if you haddenet answered we still wouldent know,,,, but i always thought that poo was pool..
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Challenge accepted. Spot me at an OC meet and it'll go down.


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    Poosharker wrote:
    Challenge accepted. Spot me at an OC meet and it'll go down.
    im hoping to meet you on the 17th...in everet sp? i play for the thrill of the great shot... not just the win!... last game was a 4 rail 8 ball in the corner....

    study the wash state owning and carrying laws.... you could own and carry some self defence guns now at your age....they can be got legaly and be usefull in many circumstances under the law...just gotta know when and where! ill do some lookin too
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    whooooops!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    What is everett sp??

    I thought the 17th meet was in Bothel? Or maybe I do not quite understand city names. I am hitching a ride with Ayrk45XD so it depends on him. He also shoots "poo" so more opponents!

    As for owning and buying and carrying at age 18, I pretty much can own but not carry unless I am at a specific event like a shooting range or whatever. Unless I want to be really bold and have it unloaded in a opaque case on my person .

    Unless you know something I don't......


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    Poosharker wrote:
    Challenge accepted. Spot me at an OC meet and it'll go down.
    Come down south, I'll rack a few with ya. 9-Ball is my preference... It's not a game of luck when you play with other people who know how to play. It's a game of strategy and safeties.

    Another is bank 8 - Where the 8 ball must be banked or kicked into a called pocket.

    Might have to bust out my Helmstetter and sneaky-pete finally...
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    massivedesign wrote:

    Might have to bust out my Helmstetter and sneaky-pete finally...
    I am definitely in trouble.


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    Call the game I will be there. 1245A Defender, we have shot before let's team up and show them a trick or two.If we cannot find a place OC friendly, we can always go to one of the Senior Centers, they are operated by either the city or county.

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    This is what I found as to the atmosphere in Olympia when it comes to firearms.
    While the Democrats can stop any firearms law from moving along they do not have enough votes to take anything away either.

    I was looking into the issue of State Emergency Powers of the Governor where the RCW would allow her to restrict firearms outside the home or business during a time of a declare emergency.

    The glitch to this is that State Preemption prohibits this action by the Governor along with THE ROBERT T. STAFFORD DISASTER RELIEF AND EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE ACT that was passed after the New Orleans gun confiscation.

    So after discussions it was best to leave as is and if we were ever presented with this situation the defense with State Preemption is there to support us.

    This is not to discourage you, just wanted to ensure you do not get discouraged by hitting road blocks. Work on it and seek information and hopefully the climate will change in Olympia where your work could be put into play.
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    I will also bring my signed George Balabushka GB8

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    So for now I am stuck in one place, but for the time being, the best thing to do is inform, and inform, more, and more people about our rights.

    Really, I think we have nothing to gain, because our right is our right, but we have it to lose. We are just fighting to keep what's left of it.

    Trigger Dr, I'll just use a stock cue stick.

    I need to get to the pool hall in rainier beach and practice!!!


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    I think this is an ideal year to bring up the issue and I'm going to be floating it past some legislators myself soon. The issue is being raised by libsin connection with the Assault Weapon bill, named after 18 year old Aaron Sullivan, who was murdered last year, and of course was unarmed at the time. I brought this up in my op-ed here, which was in the legislative news roundups: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201...ON03/701029999

    First step in floating an idea is to write your bill, and I've got one readyhere: http://frpwa.com/?page_id=101

    Whether it stands a good chance this year or not, the sooner you start on an issue, the sooner you get to the finish line. Lawmakers who want to tout the name of Aaron Sullivan will have a hard time ignoring this if it gets dropped, and when the AWB gets dropped, pro-gun legislators will likely be looking for something to hit back with. So if you want to make a project outof this, I'll be happy to point you in the right direction, and there's lots of others here who can help with that too. And if you happen to be in the 18 to 20 age bracket, that gives you alot of standing in the issue.

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