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    2010 for me has started out fun. Here is what my management team has sent to all the employees. I've included my response.

    Subject: Safety in the Workplace



    Good Afternoon Employees,



    Management asks employees to be especially mindful of your surroundings and situations that make you vulnerable. Management considers our workplaces to be very safe, still you should always take measures to practice personal safety.



    · Always wear your Identification Badge while in facilities. Question all unbadged individuals in facilities.

    · Never allow visitors or unbadged employees to piggy-back off your access card.

    · Be alert. If you notice anything unusual or out of place, contact security.

    · When alone, avoid isolated or poorly lit areas such as elevators, restrooms, parking garages/lots and stairwells.

    · If you have a ground level office, keep your window blinds closed.

    · When working before or after hours, if at all possible, use the buddy system.



    Wishing you a safe and successful 2010!



    Your management team and corporate security officer



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    Dear corporate security officer,



    Great suggestions as long as the person you run into isn’t armed. What training/suggestions/recommendations does the company provide for if we encounter an armed disgruntled employee, or an unknown individual?



    - Questioning an unbadged person could lead to personal injury if the unbadged person is armed

    - Never allowing a visitor or unbadged person to piggy-back off an access card could lead to personal injury if the unbadged person is armed

    - Being alert – only goes so far

    - Even in broad day light with another person does not mean you will not be accosted

    - Even with the buddy system that won’t stop an armed assailant



    In light of recent public events (most recently Ft. Hood) over the last few years regarding work place violence, perhaps the more prudent thing to do is for upper managementto consider altering its policy to allow concealed weapons holders the right to carry their weapons in the work place; 1) as long as the weapon remains concealed on their person and 2) as long as that work place is not located on federal or state government property. Until then allupper managementreally is doing is creating a target rich victim environment.



    Just a thought.



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    Nice response. I work on a federal installation so no guns for me. I do wear one at work though as it's part of my job. :-D

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    I work for a company (500+ employees) in Arlington where I carry everyday with the full blessing of my boss (retired military). Some people know, and the only comments that I would consider negative are in two categories - 1. Why do you need that thing HERE? or 2. You better not argue with him because he's got a GUN. Most of these come from well-meaning but misguided Marylanders. There are a few of us that carry, but not nearly enough for this size company.

    The interesting part is that over Christmas break I get an email from my boss that he wants me to become a part of the group (in addition to my regular job) which will create and implement security policies for our organization. It seems, this became one of the CEO's (also retired military) priorities. Another senior executive, former federal LEO, will be in charge with me (former LEO) and several other people helping out.

    I have full confidence in the guy in charge, but we are going to have representation from HR and Legal. I can only imagine the ideas these individuals will have.

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    That's awesome gis. I'm going to have to seriously consider these things when I start looking for new employement. One option I am casually considering I would not be able to carry, I know that without having to ask. I haven't actively pursued any other companies. I'm torn between staying commercial and going to a federal site.

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    I work for a very small private company. Owner cc's, his wife (the office manager) cc's and mine is in my coat pocket hanging next to my desk. Often switch to OC when leaving.

    Downside, haven't had a raise in a while...well you weigh things out.
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    Very good reply , I await the response too, should be good
    Excellent Job Gis, don't let them tie your hands too much ,
    I own a small home based business so My boss ( me) let's me carry whatever I want, pistol, assault rifle. he don't care.
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    gis wrote:
    I work for a company (500+ employees) in Arlington where I carry everyday with the full blessing of my boss (retired military). Some people know, and the only comments that I would consider negative are in two categories - 1. Why do you need that thing HERE? or 2. You better not argue with him because he's got a GUN. Most of these come from well-meaning but misguided Marylanders. There are a few of us that carry, but not nearly enough for this size company.

    The interesting part is that over Christmas break I get an email from my boss that he wants me to become a part of the group (in addition to my regular job) which will create and implement security policies for our organization. It seems, this became one of the CEO's (also retired military) priorities. Another senior executive, former federal LEO, will be in charge with me (former LEO) and several other people helping out.

    I have full confidence in the guy in charge, but we are going to have representation from HR and Legal. I can only imagine the ideas these individuals will have.
    HR shouldn't be a problem, remember, you don't argue with guys with guns!:celebrate
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    riverrat10k wrote:
    I work for a very small private company. Owner cc's, his wife (the office manager) cc's and mine is in my coat pocket hanging next to my desk. Often switch to OC when leaving.

    Downside, haven't had a raise in a while...well you weigh things out.
    +1 to working for a small business, especially when the owner and spouse have a CHP (like mine, too.)

    It makes it soooo much easier...

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    Well I like my company, but their policy is ¨ Unacceptable Activities ... Unauthorized possession of dangerous or illegal firearms, weapons or explosives on Company premises, or while on duty...'.When I did a press-to-test, they recommended I lock them in the trunk of my car. Only problem is,I often ride a motorcycle, and my saddlebags are NOT locking. I've not pushed for carry (yet)....so I tend to leave them at home.

    But the paychecks support one of my other hobbies (eating).
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    I'll be honest, I don't expect a response from my company on this.

    That is based on the response to another line of questioning the processes and procedures of "anonymous" feedback from employees. Our current mechanism is laughable, since with email your e-litter can be tracked back to you. They didn't get that when I suggested a drop box in the lunchroom because they said they would have no way of sending out a response that corrective action was taken. OK.........

    Of course I would not be surprised if someone pulls me aside for a chat, but no one has done that yet either....

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    Of course the corporate safety officer will remind you that an intruder cannot be armed because corporate police forbids weapons of any kind.


    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    vt800c wrote:
    Well I like my company, but their policy is ¨ Unacceptable Activities ... Unauthorized possession of dangerous or illegal firearms, weapons or explosives on Company premises, or while on duty...'.When I did a press-to-test, they recommended I lock them in the trunk of my car. Only problem is,I often ride a motorcycle, and my saddlebags are NOT locking. I've not pushed for carry (yet)....so I tend to leave them at home.

    But the paychecks support one of my other hobbies (eating).
    well, a legal, high-quality handgun would be neither dangerous nor illegal

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    My company employee handbook prohibits carry on their property or at their events without express permission.



    I'm seriously considering requesting permission. I have little expectation it would be approved (we're headquartered in NYC), but I also have little fear it alone would get me booted.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    I'm in the USAF, so just read up on Ft Hood to figure out our security.

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    Yeah. Well you would think that having retired staff officers in charge would help......of course when the mafia is at HQ in NY....ok so it's not really the mafia, hehe....sure feels that way though.

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    We have been told that the Hack Inspector here in Alexandria has said that he will take any driver found to be armed on duty before the Traffic and Parking Board for possible license revocation. This is reportedly due to an opinion on the matter by the City Attorney. For my part I have told the Hack Inspector that if I feel I need a firearm I will carry one, and to me the key word is "found". We mostly understand each other on this issue, and I think the City is worried about some of the 8-balls we have driving hacks here.

    Nevertheless, I think this policy violates preemption. But since I carry on the job so infrequently (a robber in the back seat already has the jump on you); I'm gonna take a pass at provoking a legal confrontation. For now.

    Of course, one thing that must be considered by any Virginia cabbie going armed is DC and the George Washington Parkway, about a mile of which is actually in DC, so even after February it will still be an issue.

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    It does violate preemption. I drove a cab in Richmond for about 6 months and I carried every day. Driving a cab you come in contact with some crazy people.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    simmonsjoe wrote:
    It does violate preemption. I drove a cab in Richmond for about 6 months and I carried every day. Driving a cab you come in contact with some crazy people.
    Boy howdy. I got some stories and I bet you do too. But I got about 15 years worth.

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    I'm currently working for a home-care agency, and their policy specifically
    forbids _concealed_ weapons. I asked my boss if he thought a Swiss
    army knife is a concealed weapon, and he said no. Didn't bring up the
    idea of OC. I probably wouldn't into a client's home anyway, don't want
    to give the old biddies a heart attack!



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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    simmonsjoe wrote:
    It does violate preemption. I drove a cab in Richmond for about 6 months and I carried every day. Driving a cab you come in contact with some crazy people.
    Boy howdy. I got some stories and I bet you do too. But I got about 15 years worth.
    I guess you do! Best I had was in the cab line in front of the Greyhound station on Boulevard in Richmond. I saw a guy, he started off talking to himself quietly(not that unusual), then got louder, and louder. Then he started yelling and screaming. Then he got up and started throwing punches with his imaginary friend. He was running all over the place, hitting and getting hit. He'd get knocked down, get back up and knock his imaginary friend down. Then he ran out in front of one of the Greyhound Buses and got hit! He got back up and continued fighting for another 10 minutes.(Bus driver drove off) At one point his imaginary friend threw him across the hood of my crown vic! Overall it lasted 20 minutes. It was awesome. Want to know the best part? His imaginary friend KICKED HIS ASS. BAD. He was on the ground begging for his imaginary friend to stop kicking the @#$% out of him. I about died laughing. I mean, how bad is your self esteem that you can't even beat your imaginary friend?
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    Too bad you didn't have a video camera.

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    Simmonsjoe that sounds justlike a scene from fight club!!

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    If you're going to have an imaginary friend, it might as well be Chuck Norris!

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    I would never work somewhere without a gun. If it were not permitted, I would conceal it while looking for another job.

    If making money is more important than your safety and life, than wouldnt it just be easier to rob a bank or something?

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