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I think OCing is more of a problem when it comes to carrying everywhere (with no mismash of places off-limitsfor OCing) MAINLY due to the permitting system. I mean, no permit is required (good) but that also means no background check is done, so ANYONE can carry OC. Technically, that would mean even gangster punks/street-trash low-lifes, career criminals out on parole, etc.. How would THAT be sorted out?

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I think OCing is more of a problem when it comes to carrying everywhere (with no mismash of places off-limitsfor OCing) MAINLY due to the permitting system. I mean, no permit is required (good) but that also means no background check is done, so ANYONE can carry OC. Technically, that would mean even gangster punks/street-trash low-lifes, career criminals out on parole, etc.. How would THAT be sorted out?

Yes, I think the (CC) permit system in itself is ILLEGAL - and HAS been since Day One --but that's another issue. And I am FOR OCing for everyone -- kind of -- yet I have to askagain, how do you sort out the low-life trash?

Buteven CCing is a nightmare due to the same issue: Places you can CC and places you can NOT CC.

The many different laws in each state saying where a CC permit holder can or can not carry is a nightmare...and that's within his/her own state, let alone when he/she travels toANOTHER state and might have to travel through even more states to get there...all with differentCC laws.

It's outrageous and ridiculous...and even insulting to a CC permit holder as the message I get is"the authorites" REALLYdon't trust CC holders. Kind of, but not quite.

YetCC people have paid good $$$ -- as well as time -- to go through their state's background check/class time in order to get said CC permit...so if they are found qualified to carry concealed, why are these people still considered (apparently) some sort of "danger" or "threat" in certain places, but not so other places? That's a non sequitur.

There shouldn't be anythis piecemeal crap where CC people can carry here but not there: It should be everywhere. And an extra bonus of that would bethat a CC person wouldn't have to review (constantly)where he/she is going -- or pull out a list of"no CC zones"and check them off -- in order to avoid inadvertently breaking the law CCing into a place NOT authorized for CC.

I can see (kind of) how allowing free and non-permittedOC everywhere by everyone MIGHT be problematical (in that people could carry with no backgound check whatsoever)which would mean that even street-trash POS gangster punks could OC everywhere -- "innocent until proven guilty, regardless of their obvious gangster looks and "colors" they wear...I mean, we can't be "discriminatory" now, can we ;-) -- and if said POS trash are stopped and "harrassed " by cops, they'd scream "profiling" (or the usual "racism" BS). IMV, that's TS for them...they deserve whatever harrassment they get (and lots more) jsut looking like the eyesores they are.

Whatever,the issue of OCing EVERYWHERE is a more complicated topic.

But re: CCing, if someone has gone through the legal process of getting a CHL and is qualified to CC/issued a permit, I see no reason to put ANY area off lmits to them:CC/permitted people are either trusted all the way or they are not.

Presently, they apparently are not.

[Like our military men/women who aren't trusted enough to be allowed to carry arms on their own military bases]

-- John D.

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cloudcroft wrote:

I think OCing is more of a problem when it comes to carrying everywhere (with no mismash of places off-limitsfor OCing) MAINLY due to the permitting system. I mean, no permit is required (good) but that also means no background check is done, so ANYONE can carry OC. Technically, that would mean even gangster punks/street-trash low-lifes, career criminals out on parole, etc.. How would THAT be sorted out?

Yes, I think the (CC) permit system in itself is ILLEGAL - and HAS been since Day One --but that's another issue. And I am FOR OCing for everyone -- kind of -- yet I have to askagain, how do you sort out the low-life trash?

Buteven CCing is a nightmare due to the same issue: Places you can CC and places you can NOT CC.

The many different laws in each state saying where a CC permit holder can or can not carry is a nightmare...and that's within his/her own state, let alone when he/she travels toANOTHER state and might have to travel through even more states to get there...all with differentCC laws.

It's outrageous and ridiculous...and even insulting to a CC permit holder as the message I get is"the authorites" REALLYdon't trust CC holders. Kind of, but not quite.

YetCC people have paid good $$$ -- as well as time -- to go through their state's background check/class time in order to get said CC permit...so if they are found qualified to carry concealed, why are these people still considered (apparently) some sort of "danger" or "threat" in certain places, but not so other places? That's a non sequitur.

There shouldn't be anythis piecemeal crap where CC people can carry here but not there: It should be everywhere. And an extra bonus of that would bethat a CC person wouldn't have to review (constantly)where he/she is going -- or pull out a list of"no CC zones"and check them off -- in order to avoid inadvertently breaking the law CCing into a place NOT authorized for CC.

I can see (kind of) how allowing free and non-permittedOC everywhere by everyone MIGHT be problematical (in that people could carry with no backgound check whatsoever)which would mean that even street-trash POS gangster punks could OC everywhere -- "innocent until proven guilty, regardless of their obvious gangster looks and "colors" they wear...I mean, we can't be "discriminatory" now, can we ;-) -- and if said POS trash are stopped and "harrassed " by cops, they'd scream "profiling" (or the usual "racism" BS). IMV, that's TS for them...they deserve whatever harrassment they get (and lots more) jsut looking like the eyesores they are.

Whatever,the issue of OCing EVERYWHERE is a more complicated topic.

But re: CCing, if someone has gone through the legal process of getting a CHL and is qualified to CC/issued a permit, I see no reason to put ANY area off lmits to them:CC/permitted people are either trusted all the way or they are not.

Presently, they apparently are not.

[Like our military men/women who aren't trusted enough to be allowed to carry arms on their own military bases]

-- John D.

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You seem to be squirming in the jaws of a dillemma. It's real simple. OC... a Right. Dirtbag or not... until you screw it up with 'behavior'. OK... act responsibly. That's all it takes. Nobody... no government can legislate human behavior. Conduct yourself and affairs in a civilized manner 'n the world is your oyster. The 'honor' system.

'Trouble is... people don't trust other people. Oh... they might say they do... but they don't by 'n large. So... they enact laws to control 'you'... 'n me... 'n everybody. Laws that have no other purpose but to limit what the hell you can and cannot do... even if it's civilized 'n innocent. That's 'perception'... and admittedly, perception goes a long way toward the manufacture of such 'laws'.

Then you have the JBT power trippers who exist to project 'control' on behalf of their government masters.... and their own 'fraternity' of JBTcontrol freaks. This creates a three tiered society... The State, The Citizens (and) The Criminals. In such a system... The State is omnipotent and views everyone as potential criminals or threats to their authority. Citizensbecome prey to both the State and the Criminal element. After a few days on Officer.com I'm ashamed to admit I once was a cop. Tha JBT attitude is endemic... particularly in CA. It was bad whenI lived there... 'n it's worse now. I have never experienced any military base or post or station where anyone not on armed 'watch' or guard wasroutinely armed with the exception of Vietnam and then... not even there.

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