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    Such has been the patient sufferance of these Sovereign States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to assert their Sovereignty. The history of the present Despot is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has bankrupted our treasury, crippling our ability to trade amongst ourselves and with other merchant states of the world.

    He has deeply embarrassed the dignity and esteem of these states united, by bowing to foreign dictators.

    He has erected a multitude of New Czars, and sent hither swarms of them to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

    For transporting terrorists beyond Seas to be tried for offences which are better handled by the legal and lawful measures provided by congress. Done for reasons of glamour at great peril to the people

    He has excited violence against us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our cities, the merciless Terror Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    For perverting our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Federal Police Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

    For usurping our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power of rulemaking for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has affected to render the Federal police independent of and superior to the Civil power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation

    He has plundered our pension plans, ravaged our small business, burnt our private insurance, and destroyed the lives of our people.

    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and refusing to wage effective War against our enemies.

    For taking away our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, ignoring our most valuable human rights, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments

    He is at this time transporting largeArmies of federal police Mercenariesto compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

    In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Well said.

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    Hear, hear. The Declaration of Independence paraphrased for 21st century ears. Now paraphrase the single most important part of that document;


    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."


    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Hear, hear. The Declaration of Independence paraphrased for 21st century ears. Now paraphrase the single most important part of that document;


    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

    I looked, but I didn't see a single word there that needed changing.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Hmm, change "the pursuit of happiness" to "property of whatever type they choose, as long as the property harms noone else"; change "the right of the people to alter or abolish" to "the duty of the people to alter or abolish"; change "effect their safety and happiness" to "effect their freedoms and autonomy"; after the phrase "light and transient causes", insert the phrase "and when agents of the Government attempt to enact such changes, it becomes necessary for the people to Vote amongst themselves so as to determine the lightness or transience of the purported cause"; and eliminate the "long" from "long train of abuses and usurpations".

    For my own part, I think that does it.

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    TiP wrote:
    Hmm, change "the pursuit of happiness" to "property of whatever type they choose, as long as the property harms noone else"; change "the right of the people to alter or abolish" to "the duty of the people to alter or abolish"; change "effect their safety and happiness" to "effect their freedoms and autonomy"; after the phrase "light and transient causes", insert the phrase "and when agents of the Government attempt to enact such changes, it becomes necessary for the people to Vote amongst themselves so as to determine the lightness or transience of the purported cause"; and eliminate the "long" from "long train of abuses and usurpations".

    For my own part, I think that does it.
    Interesting you say that. Because the original draft was, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of property".

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    Thundar wrote:
    Such has been the patient sufferance of these Sovereign States;
    The state cannot be both sovereign and bankrupt at the same time. If it is sovereign it owes allegiance to no one. If the state is bankrupt it is a slave of its creditor and owes its allegiance to the creditor, not the people.

    Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11... Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth, hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise.

    It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; Declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H. J. R. 192, 73rd. Congress in session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Government Offices, Officers and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

    --Rep. James Traficant, Jr., (D) Ohio, March 17, 1993, from a speech from the floor on the U.S. House of Representatives.
    The Several States are surety for the federal debt and are themselves bankrupt. It's time to begin to use this fact against all illegitimate local, state, and federal governments of America. Now you know why the people you believe you elected in your 'show' elections fail to respond to the will of the people. Their allegiance is to the creditor and master of the state, those foreign banks, for which the politicians robbed decent, hard working Americans of their life savings to bail out.

    Most of us have heard of the work place shooting by the guy in Missouri, who was involved in litigation related to his life savings being stolen through, what appears to be deliberate malfeasance and a violation of the employer's and financial manager's fiduciary duty related to said retirement funds.

    I submit that If the federal government had continually ensured an honest money system the unfortunate event described above would likely not have happened. Congress, absent the constitutional authority to do so, allowed foreign interlopers and moneychangers to take over and loot the U.S. Treasury.

    The United States Government is totally and wholly illegitimate. Anyone that believes that real, constitutional change can be made from within that system is deluded. Working within the system will only slow, not halt or reverse, the inevitable coming collapse brought on by a dishonest money system and foreign powers.

    Many here have asked in other threads who exactly should be targeted in the event of a total collapse and break down in law and order in our nation. I believe the proper focus should be on those who have caused our people the most grievous of misery through their fractional reserve banking and usury scams: the moneychangers.

    Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. --Ezekiel 18:13
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    Until we have " change " again we will continue down this road until his agenda or their agenda is complete.

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    It is time and past time to call the Continental Congress and hit the reset button on the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

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    If threads like this are deleted, than it is already over.

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    The present domination of the Federal government by leftists is a direct result of those same leftist interfering with commerce in such ways as to bring about the economic situation that led to the Democrat takeover of both Houses and ultimately to the Obama presidency.

    Our Constitution is still a legitimate charter and the peril is it is being ignored. It is true that it has not fared well in the last century, but this century has ushered in wholesale disregard for the document. The present form of "Obamacare" contains a provision that it can never be changed or repealed; a blatant violation of the Constitution.

    As to the debt we owe Red China, yawn. If the Chinese try to screw us they will only screw themselves. Say they wanted to cash in. If the Chicoms took a hundred-dollar bill to the Fed you know what they would get? Oh, maybe three twenties, a ten, a fiver and five ones. If the Chicoms called in all our debt today, the move would devalue the money so badly that they would wind up with much less than they have now. If we were on a gold standard, they could clean out Fort Knox.

    What we have to do is clean out the DemonRatz, since the Democrat party is either unwilling or unable to do it themselves.

    This is a right-of-center country. The current breakdown is about 40% "conservative", 34% "moderate" and 26% the kind of "liberal" trying to ram stuff down our throats. Ronald Reagan put it well when he said he did not see things in terms of "left" and "right" but "up" (toward freedom) or "down" (toward tyranny). The present government is trying to make things so bad that a desperate people will willingly go "down" to get the things they need to live.

    BEFORE we try ANYTHING else, there is an election in November. Wresting the powerful chairmanships and leader's positions in Congress from the Downers is key to staving off the need for more drastic measures. And the anger against the DemonRatz is palpable, the Ratz have already begun to jump ship with several key Congressmen and Senators announcing that they will not run for re-election this year. Criminal charges for some of these are a distinct possibility.

    It speaks volumes that these lleftists have not gone after guns in any meaningful way. Sure they keep dipping their toes in the water, testing for instance drug vioence in Mexico as an excuse; but they keep getting scalded piggies.

    I do not advocate the overthrow of the lawful government of the United States of America. I advocate its re-instatement, and I will act on that this November.

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    A government bound by a constitution that secures our Inalienable Rights, respects those Rights, doesn't work or act opposite our best interests, doesn't take orders from the leaders of foreign powers or pirate enterprises, provides an honest money system, and generally acts kind and benevolent but not enabling would be a welcome respite from the current system under which we suffer.

    Constitutionally ordained government is a good thing.

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    We have voted our way into socialism.

    One indicator of insanity is to do the same thing, and to expect a different result.



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    stainless1911 wrote:
    We have voted our way into socialism.

    One indicator of insanity is to do the same thing, and to expect a different result.

    What do you mean "we"?

    A majority (a slim one) fell for a cheap phony lie in 2008. I was not among them. The usual guilty white liberals and black folk who thought it was "time" for a black "president" were not sufficient to put Obama over the top. It was desperate white working folks who needed things to "change" and bought into Obama's yammering. They have since found out what Obama meant by "change" and are fighting mad. Obama and his DemonRatz know it and they are working like mad to get their agenda imbedded in an unelected bureaucracy as fast as they can.

    For an essay about how I feel about Obama and politicians in general go to:

    http://wwwdailypoop.blogspot.com/201...ington-dc.html

    I am sure you will find it amusing. And true.

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    I was referring to "we" as a nation only.

    I am assuming that you, I , and most of the folks who post here are on the freedom side of this mess.

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    If anyone is just now realizing these problems you have been asleep for far to long. It has been building up to this point for almost a hundred years. There is no correct 'Party' as they are all wrong and only do what is best for them together. They only bicker because they can't come to an agreement on the best way to enslave the people.
    Party's are for birthdays and holidays not for running governments.

    That being said, it is imperative and long past time for the states to stand up for themselves...I only hope that the people will support the states.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    stainless1911 wrote:
    We have voted our way into socialism.

    One indicator of insanity is to do the same thing, and to expect a different result.

    What do you mean "we"?

    A majority (a slim one) fell for a cheap phony lie in 2008. I was not among them. The usual guilty white liberals and black folk who thought it was "time" for a black "president" were not sufficient to put Obama over the top. It was desperate white working folks who needed things to "change" and bought into Obama's yammering. They have since found out what Obama meant by "change" and are fighting mad. Obama and his DemonRatz know it and they are working like mad to get their agenda imbedded in an unelected bureaucracy as fast as they can.

    For an essay about how I feel about Obama and politicians in general go to:

    http://wwwdailypoop.blogspot.com/201...ington-dc.html

    I am sure you will find it amusing. And true.
    Hey Alex. We have got to get together for lunch sometime.

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    Toad wrote:
    If anyone is just now realizing these problems you have been asleep for far to long. It has been building up to this point for almost a hundred years. There is no correct 'Party' as they are all wrong and only do what is best for them together. They only bicker because they can't come to an agreement on the best way to enslave the people.
    Party's are for birthdays and holidays not for running governments.

    That being said, it is imperative and long past time for the states to stand up for themselves...I only hope that the people will support the states.
    You and Alexcabbie are on the right path with this. The reason "people" don't seem to realize all of this is because all of the people have lived during this time and so therefore, that is their point of reference. And unless someone is of a mind to see where the differences lie, they are not going to see what has happened, why it has happened, and how it happened.

    This is NOT by mistake. It is deliberate.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Toad wrote:
    If anyone is just now realizing these problems you have been asleep for far to long. It has been building up to this point for almost a hundred years. There is no correct 'Party' as they are all wrong and only do what is best for them together. They only bicker because they can't come to an agreement on the best way to enslave the people.
    Party's are for birthdays and holidays not for running governments.

    That being said, it is imperative and long past time for the states to stand up for themselves...I only hope that the people will support the states.
    You and Alexcabbie are on the right path with this. The reason "people" don't seem to realize all of this is because all of the people have lived during this time and so therefore, that is their point of reference. And unless someone is of a mind to see where the differences lie, they are not going to see what has happened, why it has happened, and how it happened.

    This is NOT by mistake. It is deliberate.
    Sometimes I think SouthernBoy likes slippery slopes, but I agree. I feel it is consciously deliberate by a minority of those who perpetuate it. The rest do it through willful ignorance, which is NOT a mistake.
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    simmonsjoe wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Toad wrote:
    If anyone is just now realizing these problems you have been asleep for far to long. It has been building up to this point for almost a hundred years. There is no correct 'Party' as they are all wrong and only do what is best for them together. They only bicker because they can't come to an agreement on the best way to enslave the people.
    Party's are for birthdays and holidays not for running governments.

    That being said, it is imperative and long past time for the states to stand up for themselves...I only hope that the people will support the states.
    You and Alexcabbie are on the right path with this. The reason "people" don't seem to realize all of this is because all of the people have lived during this time and so therefore, that is their point of reference. And unless someone is of a mind to see where the differences lie, they are not going to see what has happened, why it has happened, and how it happened.

    This is NOT by mistake. It is deliberate.
    Sometimes I think SouthernBoy likes slippery slopes, but I agree. I feel it is consciously deliberate by a minority of those who perpetuate it. The rest do it through willful ignorance, which is NOT a mistake.
    Nah, I don't like slippery slopes at all. They tend to leave us in a mire as we slide on our way to the great abyss. Our willful ignorance people were once referred to as "useful idiots" by one of their heroes... Lenin. And we all know what happens to useful idiots after the fall.

    This is a great topic for lengthy discussion over some beers or perhaps a nice single malt. Enjoy your weekend!


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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    simmonsjoe wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Toad wrote:
    If anyone is just now realizing these problems you have been asleep for far to long. It has been building up to this point for almost a hundred years. There is no correct 'Party' as they are all wrong and only do what is best for them together. They only bicker because they can't come to an agreement on the best way to enslave the people.
    Party's are for birthdays and holidays not for running governments.

    That being said, it is imperative and long past time for the states to stand up for themselves...I only hope that the people will support the states.
    You and Alexcabbie are on the right path with this. The reason "people" don't seem to realize all of this is because all of the people have lived during this time and so therefore, that is their point of reference. And unless someone is of a mind to see where the differences lie, they are not going to see what has happened, why it has happened, and how it happened.

    This is NOT by mistake. It is deliberate.
    Sometimes I think SouthernBoy likes slippery slopes, but I agree. I feel it is consciously deliberate by a minority of those who perpetuate it. The rest do it through willful ignorance, which is NOT a mistake.
    Nah, I don't like slippery slopes at all. They tend to leave us in a mire as we slide on our way to the great abyss. Our willful ignorance people were once referred to as "useful idiots" by one of their heroes... Lenin. And we all know what happens to useful idiots after the fall.

    This is a great topic for lengthy discussion over some beers or perhaps a nice single malt. Enjoy your weekend!

    Same to ya!

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    Well, folks, I know that most of you work regular hours and are normally not awake when "loser TV" (fast-buck scheme infomercials, etc) are playing in the wee hours. Me, I work and sleep at different times, and often leave the tv on to provide something more soothing than the noise of the bar stragglers outside on the street. Well.

    This morning I woke up around 4 AM to hear Barack Obama giving a PSA about some volunteer program of his. In the end, he said this: ".....And take part in making America's new foundation".

    :?:shock::what:NEW FOUNDATION!?!

    Talk about something that sounds sooooo innocent. As usual he won't say that in Prime Time lest people who actually work and have a stake in our Republic hear it. But the losers who want something for nothing, who watch the get-insanely-rich-by-doing-nothing-particuarly-useful shows are just the morons he wants to recruit. Yeah, morons. Help make a "new foundation" for America and get Obama Cash from Obama's Stash. WHAT IN BLEEDING HELL DOES HE MEAN "NEW FOUNDATION"?

    Actually that's a stupid question. What he means is exactly what he said. He wants to scrap the old foundation (the Constitution) and replace it with a new one (which he won't say what it is, but just believe him it will be better).

    Can you imagine waking up and being rendered mad as all hell in the course of 30 seconds? (well, I guess if you have teenagers, but this is different). I was also frightened. Here was a man who scant weeks shy of a year ago raised his right hand and swore to defend the Constitution; announcing his intent to scrap it and remake the nation.

    I swear before Almighty God that he will scrap the Constitution over my dead body. Not that I think that will be necessary. The American people are not stupid. They were desperate and they were conned by a real sharpie. And people like me and like all of us hear things like this when we were not intended to, and put it out for others to see and understand. The Founders - who wrote the Foundation - laid a trap for such as this present gang of weasels. I really believe they knew that at some point down the pike this was coming, and gave us the tools to deal with it. The only question is, do we have the will? I am NOT talking about violent insurrrtection. I am talking about organizing and voting for politicians who respect the Constitution at EVERY level, since from small town aldermen big senators and presidents grow.

    And this November is particularly important. If you did not know this, you know it now.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Well, folks, I know that most of you work regular hours and are normally not awake when "loser TV" (fast-buck scheme infomercials, etc) are playing in the wee hours. Me, I work and sleep at different times, and often leave the tv on to provide something more soothing than the noise of the bar stragglers outside on the street. Well.

    This morning I woke up around 4 AM to hear Barack Obama giving a PSA about some volunteer program of his. In the end, he said this: ".....And take part in making America's new foundation".

    :?:shock::what:NEW FOUNDATION!?!

    Talk about something that sounds sooooo innocent. As usual he won't say that in Prime Time lest people who actually work and have a stake in our Republic hear it. But the losers who want something for nothing, who watch the get-insanely-rich-by-doing-nothing-particuarly-useful shows are just the morons he wants to recruit. Yeah, morons. Help make a "new foundation" for America and get Obama Cash from Obama's Stash. WHAT IN BLEEDING HELL DOES HE MEAN "NEW FOUNDATION"?

    Actually that's a stupid question. What he means is exactly what he said. He wants to scrap the old foundation (the Constitution) and replace it with a new one (which he won't say what it is, but just believe him it will be better).

    Can you imagine waking up and being rendered mad as all hell in the course of 30 seconds? (well, I guess if you have teenagers, but this is different). I was also frightened. Here was a man who scant weeks shy of a year ago raised his right hand and swore to defend the Constitution; announcing his intent to scrap it and remake the nation.

    I swear before Almighty God that he will scrap the Constitution over my dead body. Not that I think that will be necessary. The American people are not stupid. They were desperate and they were conned by a real sharpie. And people like me and like all of us hear things like this when we were not intended to, and put it out for others to see and understand. The Founders - who wrote the Foundation - laid a trap for such as this present gang of weasels. I really believe they knew that at some point down the pike this was coming, and gave us the tools to deal with it. The only question is, do we have the will? I am NOT talking about violent insurrrtection. I am talking about organizing and voting for politicians who respect the Constitution at EVERY level, since from small town aldermen big senators and presidents grow.

    And this November is particularly important. If you did not know this, you know it now.
    And if, in fact, this comes to pass, he will be guilty of crimes of high treason which is a capital offense punishable by death.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

    America First!

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    The first thing we need to come to terms with, is that for all its glory, the constitution is in fact dead already. It must therefore be our resposibility to re enstate it. For the lack of a better term.



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