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Doomsday on history channel

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Dreamer wrote:
Getting back to the ORIGINAL topic of this post...

These "apocalypse" type programs on Cable are nothing more than "predictive programming". They are used to implant the ideas of upcoming events into the consciousness of the public so that when these sorts of things finally DO happen, we won't THINK critically about them, and will just go along with whatever comes along, and will not question WHY these sorts of event happened.

Food shortages, disease "outbreaks", civil unrest, martial law--it's all part of a well-documented plan that is slowly and incrementally being carried out.

I'm all for people being prepared. As an Eagle Scout, I was taught when I was very young to be resourceful, to plan ahead, and how to survive. My work experience with various DOD folks has given me a lot of exposure to some people with very high-quality training in this field, and as someone who camps, hunts, hikes, and mountain bikes, I know that my survival depends on my knowledge, resourcefulness and preparedness.

The vast majority of people in this country wouldn't have the FIRST IDEA how to survive for even a few weeks if they didn't have running tapwater, electricity, and fuel for their vehicles. Luckily, I have educated myself over the years, and have confidence in my own abilities tocare for myself and my family.

If the "SHTF", I have a "game plan", not only for immediate survival, but for ultimately retreating to a "safe haven" that is far away from the coastal "Constitution-Free Zone". I have full confidence that I can get myself and my family to a safe place, where the Rule of Local Law will remain intact, and where we will have the resources necessary to live (water, food, fuel, shelter). We might not be living in comfort and style, but at least we'll be safe and well-fed...

So what are the se programs REALLY all about? They are to condition the masses to think that when these things occur, they will be helpless, and that the criminals, gangs, an thugs will rule the streets in the urban areas--and this is probably true.

It's what these shows DON'T tell you that is really the key part of the story though...

What they DON'T tell you is that the majority of the urban areas of this country are along a 100-mile wide strip that runs all around the boarder of the continental US. What they DON'T tell you is that although THAT zone will be full of death, destruction, mayhem and lawlessness (and will ALSO be locked down by the government under martial law) the vast majority of the real-estate of the US (the interior) will continue to remain relatively untouched by any "epidemics" and will most likely remain unaffected by any sort of "terrorist attacks". They might lose electrical power when the Grid fails--they may not have working water and sewage services for a while, and there may be a little increase in crime as the thugs flee the cities on the coast, but the people of the interior of the USA are resourceful, self-sufficient, and most important, believe strongly in LOCALIZED power, and will do EVERYTHING they can to re-establish normalcy in their daily lives, rather than wait for the Nanny State to fix the problem for them.

That's why my family will be grabbing our "GOOD" bags and heading for WV if anything really drastic happens in the future.

The 100-mile Coastal Urban Helplessness Corridor may disintegrate into mayhem and lawlessness, but I have faith in my fellow "Interior Americans" that they will keep the "flame alive" no matter what sort of ill winds may blow out of NYC or DC, or the Hague.

Food, fuel, water, shelter, and ammo. Pack some bags, and Be Prepared...
I watched them all, for the most part they were ok. agree , they did not stress guns enough for the people bugging out. Living in the midwest, I plan on Bugging in , or waiting weeks until roads would be empty. I have about 4 - 5 months in preps here, food, water, toilet paper, tooth paste, baby wipes, etc. a butt loads of guns and ammo..lol... i will never run out of ammo ( buy it cheap, stack it deep ) I also live in the outlying suberbs of green bay, so not too worried about Zombies hordes & the US army reserve center in 1.5 blocks away from my duplex.

Everyone needs to spend some time on the AR15.COM Survival forum !! lot's of good Info there.
 

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Dreamer,

I think the real purpose of these shows was to create concern so that we "wake up" and take action to stop these horrible events from happening. The final scenes were always about how these are worst case scenarios and unless we change this is what will happen. Not exactly in those words, but you got the idea.

You're not going to get true survival training on tv, all scare tactics.
 

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Dreamer wrote:
Getting back to the ORIGINAL topic of this post...

These "apocalypse" type programs on Cable are nothing more than "predictive programming". They are used to implant the ideas of upcoming events into the consciousness of the public so that when these sorts of things finally DO happen, we won't THINK critically about them, and will just go along with whatever comes along, and will not question WHY these sorts of event happened.

I agree 100%. Also keep in mind that these shows take lots of planning and foresight. It's no accident that they are on TV in such great numbers. This is not a fad, it was planned.

I too have a plan for when the SHTF. 72 hour bags, escape routes and alternative locations and alternative plans for what's left.

I hope that I can make America 2.0 more like what I want in a home land :)
A place with real money (not debt notes), capitalism, and property rights.
 

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bigdaddy1 wrote:
Have you been watching all the doomsday programs on the History Channel this week?

Yes actually--and I actually learned a thing or two from watching them.
 

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suntzu wrote:
bohdi wrote:
It's interesting to see some of these things play out in Haiti right now.

Yes I agree--that is one reason why a well prepared bug out bag is your friend.
Imagine the Haiti crisis, playing out all over the USA today ?

1. NO ONE would be coming to our aid, Maybe Russia & China to "secure" our nukes

2. Basic services would be gone In a matter of Minutes ( Power, water, sewage, natural gas, communications, POLICE , Fire, etc. )

3. Those that prepped get to out live everyone else.

4. After a few weeks the Blue Helmets would start showing up. , this is when you get to defend your country & use that ammo you have stock piled.
 

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There is a story about a Cuban who escaped Castro's "paradise" andd was told that he was lucky to have made it here. He then said:

"NO! YOU are lucky. I had someplace to go. If this country becomes like Cuba, where will you go?

Look at the DemonRat goon shoving around a reporter who dared call Coakley out in Boston over a singularly and spectacularly stupid statement she made about the bad guys having left Afghanistan. Look at the way DemonRat plans are already underway to delay swearing in her opponent, should he win, until Obamacare is a done deal. Look at how Obama has an infomercial out talking about building "America's New Foundation".

Say what you will about the Ratz, but they are well-organized and highly disciplined. Ultimately they want to take the guns, but they know that overt moves in that regard are guaranteed suicide for them. Their design is to reduce the American People to unarmed dependent serfs. They have gone so far as to ignore their own Senate rules to quash debate over the Obamacare fiasco. And they really don't give a damn about the Constitution. They have a "new foundation" in mind.

Even here in the supposedly- "recession proof" Washington area the fear is palpable. People are hanging onto their money and as a result business is suffering. God only knows what it is like in the rest of the country, and it is all in line with the Ratz's plan. Pure Alinsky: Make the people desperate and hopeless and they will embrace "change".

Haiti is getting MASSIVE help from the USA, not only from the Federal Government and the Several States (Fairfax County has dispatched their world-famous rescue battallion) but out of the pockets of the very people - amd in the midst of a brutal recession at that. Billions and billions to help rebuild what did not amount to much more than a shantytown nation to begin with. Face it, over here the Hatian quake would be called "Urban Renewal".

And what have the socialist nations like Venezuela and Cuba, which Obama so admires, done?

NOTHING.

Make no mistake: we stand at a crossroads in history.
 

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Glock34 wrote:
suntzu wrote:
bohdi wrote:
It's interesting to see some of these things play out in Haiti right now.

Yes I agree--that is one reason why a well prepared bug out bag is your friend.
Imagine the Haiti crisis, playing out all over the USA today ?

1. NO ONE would be coming to our aid, Maybe Russia & China to "secure" our nukes
And a gun behind every tree to meet them as they march along--Russian and Chinese soldiers as an occupying army would not go over well--if the Brits and the "UN" thinks we have a lot of guns now--give us a reason to all band together to fight a common enemy on our own soil and watch the guns come out of the woodwork--along with people who know how to use them.
 

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Glock34 wrote:
suntzu wrote:
bohdi wrote:
It's interesting to see some of these things play out in Haiti right now.

Yes I agree--that is one reason why a well prepared bug out bag is your friend.
Imagine the Haiti crisis, playing out all over the USA today ?

1. NO ONE would be coming to our aid, Maybe Russia & China to "secure" our nukes

2. Basic services would be gone In a matter of Minutes ( Power, water, sewage, natural gas, communications, POLICE , Fire, etc. )

3. Those that prepped get to out live everyone else.

4. After a few weeks the Blue Helmets would start showing up. , this is when you get to defend your country & use that ammo you have stock piled.
1. If it got to that point--which it very well could at some point in our future then the prohibition on automatic/select fire weapons would no longer apply.

2. If The Blue Helments, Russians or anyone else thought Afghanistan was a pain in their collective butts--America in the face of an occupying army would make it seem like a walk in the park.

3. Prepped people are in the minority in this country...
 

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suntzu wrote:
Glock34 wrote:
suntzu wrote:
bohdi wrote:
It's interesting to see some of these things play out in Haiti right now.

Yes I agree--that is one reason why a well prepared bug out bag is your friend.
Imagine the Haiti crisis, playing out all over the USA today ?

1. NO ONE would be coming to our aid, Maybe Russia & China to "secure" our nukes

2. Basic services would be gone In a matter of Minutes ( Power, water, sewage, natural gas, communications, POLICE , Fire, etc. )

3. Those that prepped get to out live everyone else.

4. After a few weeks the Blue Helmets would start showing up. , this is when you get to defend your country & use that ammo you have stock piled.
1. If it got to that point--which it very well could at some point in our future then the prohibition on automatic/select fire weapons would no longer apply.

2. If The Blue Helments, Russians or anyone else thought Afghanistan was a pain in their collective butts--America in the face of an occupying army would make it seem like a walk in the park.

3. Prepped people are in the minority in this country...
true, true , true...but a month after the EVENT , the preppers, suvivalists would be the majority, after a month many Millions of unprepared sheeple would be dead.

The horrific unspeakable way we would inflict pain & death unto an invading Army could only be compared with the tormented & tortured souls in hell. It might even bring back impailing the enemy on pikes, like Vlad the impailer Drakul did 600 years ago. It would not be a pretty time.
 

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Looting on Rise amid Haiti's Growing Desperation

(CBS)A desperate citizenry combined with an absence of police forces has led to increased looting in Port-au-Prince in the wake of a massive earthquake that is estimated to have killed tens of thousands.

Video footage from the city showed bands of Haitian youths armed with machetes wandering the streets looting, as the local police were largely invisible.

"The Hatian National Police are not visible at all," said David Wimhurst, a spokesman for the United Nations peacekeeping mission in Port-au-Prince. The U.N. peacekeepers are themselves devastated by casualties from the quake.

Whether the machete-wielding men posed a violent threat to the rest of the city is unclear, but what is clear is that quake survivors are taking more drastic measures as relief efforts have become bogged down in what some aid workers call a "logistical nightmare."

Matt Marek, of the American Red Cross, said the widespread looting has mainly been relegated to collapsed buildings, not undamaged stores.

"There is no other way to get provisions," he told The Associated Press. "Even if you have money, those resources are going to be exhausted in a few days."

But some think the looting is becoming a more serious threat.

"It is dangerous at night. Lootings were widespread and some markets were ransacked," Oxfam spokesman Cedric Perus said in a statement to the AP. .

And the problem will likely get worse in the absence of more effective relief.

"Literally I can say the whole population is homeless. … People grow more desperate and then God only know what's going to happen," Frederick Auzate, a Haitian-American from Silver Springs, Md., told CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric in Port-au-Prince Thursday.

U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said there have been reports of minor looting. Crowley said the U.S. military is headed to Haiti to "stabilize" the country – a priority set forth by Haiti's own government. Up to 3,500 soldiers are en route to the quake-ravaged nation from the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division to assist with disaster relief and security, with the first 100 troops set to arrive Thursday, an Army official said.

Looting and violence are not uncommon in the wake of severe natural disasters that leave local communities isolated and desperate. After Hurricane Katrina battered New Orleans, television cameras captured widespread looting and there were reports of rooftop snipers firing upon rescue and news helicopters.


In this CBS News video, men carrying machetes are seen walking the streets of Port-au-Prince
 

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Alex - we'll have three choices, stay, head to Canada, or go to Mexico. Those will be the quickest ways out....I wonder what Mexico would do with a sudden influx of US refugees instead of the other way around?
 

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bohdi wrote:
Alex - we'll have three choices, stay, head to Canada, or go to Mexico. Those will be the quickest ways out....I wonder what Mexico would do with a sudden influx of US refugees instead of the other way around?
they would almost certainly close their boarders, and put troops on it.
 

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bohdi wrote:
Alex - we'll have three choices, stay, head to Canada, or go to Mexico. Those will be the quickest ways out....I wonder what Mexico would do with a sudden influx of US refugees instead of the other way around?
Mexico has some of the strictest immigration laws out there (no lie), they probably wouldnt take me!
 

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bohdi wrote:
Alex - we'll have three choices, stay, head to Canada, or go to Mexico. Those will be the quickest ways out....I wonder what Mexico would do with a sudden influx of US refugees instead of the other way around?
If a person chooses Mexico--they have to consider-they will leave one war zone to go to another--so what is the use--unless you consider fleeing into the jungle to live? Plus you will be disarmed when you cross the border and left relatively defenseless to the automatic weapons the drug cartels and Mexican military and police use--the Mexicans don't allow firearm ownership like America does. If one were to choose Mexico and an American refused to disarm before you went--you would be in violation of Mexican law and I don't need to tell anyone what your options would be at that point--but here is a hint--you would have two options....

If you stay--you would face a possible guerrilla war that would make Afghanistan and Vietnam seem like a cake walk to those who would try to occupy us, OR to those among our own countrymen/or visitors who would try to take advantage of a major catastrophe in order to further some private/political agenda .

If you go to Canada--you'll be disarmed, and eventually any major nationwide destabilization which occurred here would spread across the border into Canada, so you could not escape unless you fled into the mountains--or to Alaska, but it would eventually reach even there.
 

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suntzu wrote:
bohdi wrote:
Alex - we'll have three choices, stay, head to Canada, or go to Mexico. Those will be the quickest ways out....I wonder what Mexico would do with a sudden influx of US refugees instead of the other way around?
If a person chooses Mexico--they have to consider-they will leave one war zone to go to another--so what is the use--unless you consider fleeing into the jungle to live? Plus you will be disarmed when you cross the border and left relatively defenseless to the automatic weapons the drug cartels and Mexican military and police use--the Mexicans don't allow firearm ownership like America does. If one were to choose Mexico and an American refused to disarm before you went--you would be in violation of Mexican law if you were caught--and I don't need to tell anyone what your options would be at that point--but here is a hint--you would have two options....

If you stay--you would face a possible guerrilla war that would make Afghanistan and Vietnam seem like a cake walk to those who would try to occupy us, OR to those among our own countrymen/or visitors who would try to take advantage of a major catastrophe in order to further some private/political agenda .

If you go to Canada--you'll be disarmed, and eventually any major nationwide destabilization which occurred here would spread across the border into Canada, so you could not escape unless you fled into the mountains--or to Alaska, but it would eventually reach even there.

Oh I never said Mexico was a good choice now did I? :)

Maybe one would make it unscathed over there, maybe not. The Mexican's sure don't have a hard time getting in here so I think odds are pretty good for going the other direction. Of course, you'd probably stick out like a sore thumb if you didn't have a tan of some sort. I suppose the moment you opened your mouth you'd be screwed too if you didn't have the accent right even if you can speak spanish.
 

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suntzu wrote:
bohdi wrote:
Alex - we'll have three choices, stay, head to Canada, or go to Mexico. Those will be the quickest ways out....I wonder what Mexico would do with a sudden influx of US refugees instead of the other way around?
If a person chooses Mexico--they have to consider-they will leave one war zone to go to another--so what is the use--unless you consider fleeing into the jungle to live? Plus you will be disarmed when you cross the border and left relatively defenseless to the automatic weapons the drug cartels and Mexican military and police use--the Mexicans don't allow firearm ownership like America does.

If you stay--you would face a possible guerrilla war that would make Afghanistan and Vietnam seem like a cake walk to those who would try to occupy us, OR to those among our own countrymen/or visitors who would try to take advantage of a major catastrophe in order to further some private/political agenda .

If you go to Canada--you'll be disarmed, and eventually any major nationwide destabilization which occurred here would spread across the border into Canada, so you could not escape unless you fled into the mountains--or to Alaska, but it would eventually reach even there.
of course if enough Armed Americans flee to Mexico at the same time, we would overwhelm their boarder security really fast & the Mexican guards could be killed off really fast, by the Tactical crowd - heck we got more Assault weapons that then do.
 
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