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    just received this my e-mail, I have already completed the requested actions, how about you ?

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    "All that,s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Benjamin FRANKLIN

    "No man who refuses to bear arms in defense of his nation can give a sound reason why he should be allowed to live in a free country." T. ROOSEVELT



    Subject: IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN PERFORM THE ACTIONS BELOW TODAY - THE BIG DAY IS TUESDAY 19 JAN 2010



    If you are not American then do nothing.

    If you are an American in addition to taking action yourself as outlined below, have everyone in your family do the same if they are Americans, and today forward this email to everyone you know and ask them to do the same across the USA.

    The Big Day is Tuesday 19 JAN 2010, for the entire USA not just Mass

    In addition contact all you American Party'sleaders (Constitution Party, Tea Party,Libertarian Party, even the Republican Party, etc) in your state and local and ask them to spread the word for these actions below.

    We have nothing to lose by supporting these actions and everything to gain if we do support these actions, without us this may not happen.

    Your individual actions do count and are needed. If one cannot make a few phone calls and send a few e-mails fromthe comfort of their homes to support and defend the USA then I seriously doubt they are Americans and doubt if they would ever truly protect and defend the USA in time of dire need on the field.

    The American Revolutionary War - of the Colonies - 1/3 of the people supported the British, 1/3 of the people supported division from the Britishcalled the USA, and 1/3 of the people were apathetic or fools or morons. What 1/3 ofthe people would you have been in about 235 years agoor so ?

    Think about it, Massachusetts Senate Seat, formerly occupied by Ted Kennedy for decades and now there is a strong chance to break that chain of verysocialist liberal democrat control in Massachusetts, and to show the current Congress in WDC just exactly how much opposition they face now and in November 2010 elections !

    Are you an American ?

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    January 12, 2010

    The best opportunity to defeat ObamaCare may come from, ironically, Massachusetts.

    In the race to succeed the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, Republican State Senator Scott Brown could become the key vote to stop nationalized health care.

    With Senate Democrats controlling 60 votes, Republicans were unable to muster the 41 votes needed to block the anti-gun health care bill when it passed the Senate on Christmas Eve. But the bill must still be voted on by both the House and Senate, and the Senate is scheduled to reconvene on January 19 -- the same day as the special election in Massachusetts.

    How big of an issue is health care in this election?

    Scott Brown told Politico: "If you feel that Washington and the health care bill that they're proposing is systemic of the problems in Washington and the failure to understand average people anymore, then you vote for me because as the 41st senator. I can stop a lot of this stuff in its tracks. I can actually force them to go back to the drawing board."

    Ordinarily, a Massachusetts Senate race is a cinch for Democrats, who dominate state politics. But a recent Public Policy Polling poll shows Brown up one point against his opponent, anti-gun State Attorney General Martha Coakley!

    Should Scott Brown pull off a win, the ObamaCare legislation would die instantly as Democrats will have lost their 60th vote.

    As state Senator, Brown is considered one of the most conservative Republicans in the Bay State -- supporting issues like concealed carry of firearms and earning an "A+" rating from the state pro-gun group, Gun Owners Action League.

    His opponent is the type of radical anti-gunner people have come to expect from Massachusetts. Late last year, Attorney General Coakley filed a brief urging the state Supreme Court to uphold a law requiring firearms to be kept under lock and key when not in use.

    The choice for gun owners in this race could not be more clear -- and the stakes could not be higher.

    After telling gun owners for a year that they had nothing to fear from the national health care bill, Democrats in Washington finally admitted that that was a bald-faced lie. So they stuck a bunch of language in the most recent version of the bill supposedly addressing the gun problems (which they claimed for so long did not exist!)

    But the new language does not prohibit the FBI or the BATFE from trolling the ObamaCare medical database in search of medical reasons to disqualify citizens from owning firearms.

    Already, the Department of Veterans Affairs -- which operates its own nationalized health care system -- has denied around 150,000 veterans their Second Amendment rights based on the opinions of doctors, and not on the basis of any criminal conviction. And that is just the tip of the iceberg should the health care bill pass for the rest of the population.

    So you can see how important this Massachusetts special election on January 19 is for the nation.

    It is also clear that concerned citizens from all over the country should do all they can to get Scott Brown over the finish line.

    This is a very expensive race, and Scott's opponent has so far out-raised him significantly, as she's raked in millions of dollars from ObamaCare supporters.

    And, even though Scott is carrying the Republican message that will likely dominate the 2010 Congressional elections, news reports indicate that the Republican national committees have shown only token support. That must change, and change quickly.

    Sure, Massachusetts is normally a safe Democrat state -- but these are not normal times. This race is winnable. Scott Brown was down by 31 percentage points in November, but he is now effectively tied in the latest poll.

    There are several action items that can be taken by people from every state:

    1. Visit Scott Brown on the web at http://www.brownforussenate.com and make a generous contribution. And, please make sure all your contacts know about the importance of this race.

    2. Contact National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn at info@nrsc.org and urge him to pull out all the stops to elect Scott Brown.

    3. Email Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele at info@gop.com and deliver the same message.

    4. Of course, if you live in Massachusetts, vote for Scott Brown on Tuesday, January 19.

    Together, we can strike a blow to anti-gun national health care -- and send a powerful message to Washington -- by scoring a win in liberal Massachusetts.

    Sincerely,

    Tim Macy
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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    REMEMBER:

    "All that,s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Benjamin FRANKLIN
    Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.

    It is not possible to say that Ben Franklin did not write or utter those lines without examining all of his writings and all of his utterances, but I doubt it.

    I saw the movie that that line may have come from, the eight hour Sergei Bondarchuk production of Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace.

    There is so much to read and so little time that I only read humorous writings past the first lie. Your cut&pasted screed isn't funny or scholarly.


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    Actually, I am decidedly NOT an "American". America is a continent, NOT a nation...

    I am a Citizen of the United States of America.

    Try telling a Canadian Border Guard that your nation of Residence is "America", and see what happens...

    However, by the end of 2012, the USA, Canada and Mexico will have finalized the North American Union treaty, and we may all, in fact BECOME "Americans"...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    "All that,s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing' Edmund Burke (An Irish... Irishman statesman)

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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    REMEMBER:

    "All that,s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Benjamin FRANKLIN
    Benjamin Franklin said that?


    And I will say, if you research carefully, Edmund Burke was incorrectly misquoted. They don't know who said those words.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    All that,s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing' Edmund Burke (An Irish... Irishman statesman)
    Please provide the title and publication date of the document in which he wrote it or in which Edmund Burke is quoted.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edmund_...misattribution

    Probable misattribution
    • All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
      • This is probably the most quoted statement attributed to Burke, and an extraordinary number of variants of it exist, but all without any definite original source. These very extensively used "quotations" may be based on a paraphrase of some of Burke's ideas, but he is not known to have ever declared them in such a manner in any of his writings. It may have been adapted from these lines of Burke's in his Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents (1770): "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
    Burke's alleged quote bears a striking resemblance to the narrated theme of Sergei Bondarchuk's Soviet film adaptation of Leo Tolstoy's book "War and Peace", in which the narrator declares "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing", although since the original is in Russian various translations to English are possible.
    See some of the admirable research done on this matter at these two links: Burkequote & Burkequote2 — as the research at these links points out, there are many variants of this statement, probably because there is no clearly definitive original by Burke, some of them being:
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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:

    Are you an American ?

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    January 12, 2010

    The best opportunity to defeat ObamaCare may come from, ironically, Massachusetts.

    In the race to succeed the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, Republican State Senator Scott Brown could become the key vote to stop nationalized health care.


    . . . .


    After telling gun owners for a year that they had nothing to fear from the national health care bill, Democrats in Washington finally admitted that that was a bald-faced lie. So they stuck a bunch of language in the most recent version of the bill supposedly addressing the gun problems (which they claimed for so long did not exist!)

    But the new language does not prohibit the FBI or the BATFE from trolling the ObamaCare medical database in search of medical reasons to disqualify citizens from owning firearms.

    . . . .


    Sincerely,

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    The Amendments to the health care bills --while not necessary for 2A purposes --addressed even the mostfanciful concerns that they would have any effect on gun ownership.

    The Privacy Act, 5 USC 552a, and the Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Actwould prohibit the FBI or the BATFE from "trolling the ObamaCare medical database" in search of medical reasons to disqualify citizens from owning firearms.

    GOA should stick to the mustard of 2A issues, rather than crusading against whatever they deemobnoxious enough in Obama's agenda to pretend that it raises 2A issues.


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    The Donkey wrote:
    The Amendments to the health care bills --while not necessary for 2A purposes --addressed even the mostfanciful concerns that they would have any effect on gun ownership.

    The Privacy Act, 5 USC 552a, and the Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Actwould prohibit the FBI or the BATFE from "trolling the ObamaCare medical database" in search of medical reasons to disqualify citizens from owning firearms.

    GOA should stick to the mustard of 2A issues, rather than crusading against whatever they deemobnoxious enough in Obama's agenda to pretend that it raises 2A issues.
    Well Donkey, You trust the future congress and the boys in black a lot more than I do.:what:

    Remember Real ID? Not gun related, until MAIG recommended a Real ID requirement to purchase a firearm.

    Just because we wear tin foil hats doesn't mean they aren't really conspiring to use mind control.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Except for Thundar, all I see is a bunch of whiners whinning about a quote or a word and that are too lazy, apatheic, or even to cowardly to take the actions requested by the Gun Owners of America.

    Will whine on web sites are all the time, will not pickup a phone or send an e-mail about the subject they have all been whining about for months. Not a Patriot or another word American among you. Read the Teddy Roosevelt quote again, it applies to all of you.



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    Cowboy, I totally agree with you!! 100%. I'm up against the same thing here. Everyone wants a slice of the pie, but no one will help bake the pie. Thanks for your info. I got yer back.

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    Huffman, what is with all your negative attitude? Cowboy is trying to do something constructive. Something that can be of benefit to us all, even you. I'm not even going to give you the pleasure of cutting me down as you did Cowboy pertaining to a quote. Hang in there Massa Doug. I'm sure someone is impressed with your vast knowledge.

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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    Except for Thundar, all I see is a bunch of whiners whinning about a quote or a word and that are too lazy, apatheic, or even to cowardly to take the actions requested by the Gun Owners of America.

    Will whine on web sites are all the time, will not pickup a phone or send an e-mail about the subject they have all been whining about for months. Not a Patriot or another word American among you. Read the Teddy Roosevelt quote again, it applies to all of you.

    Now you're calling forum members cowards and insulting them. I don't think the site's owners had that in mind when they created it. You've got a lot of nerve.

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    Cowboy,

    Some of us are VERY active in engaging the "system".

    For instance, I'm planning to drive over 6 hours (each way) next month to testify before the MD legislature in support of their "reciprocity" bill that is being proposed. Even though it won't include my home-state permit, I have many family members and friends in MD, WV, and VA who CAN benefit from this bill if it passes, and I'm willing to take a day and a half out of my schedule to support it.

    I routinely contact my state and Federal reps about 2A-related bills, write LTE's, and post on local news websites in support of 2A issues. I help organize local OC Dinners, and am working with SCCC to get carry policies and laws changed on college campuses.

    Watch who you're calling "lazy" and "cowards". There are a LOT of people on this forum who invest a LOT of time in this cause, and we'd like to think that even the work we do on a local level benefits ALL OCers, even if our small victories don't effect them directly.

    Just because someone doesn't sign on to your "pet project du jour" doesn't mean they aren't engaged in the process. Name calling certainly won't gain you any sympathy.

    You'll catch a LOT more flies with honey than with vinegar...
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    Tomahawk wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    Except for Thundar, all I see is a bunch of whiners whinning about a quote or a word and that are too lazy, apatheic, or even to cowardly to take the actions requested by the Gun Owners of America.

    Will whine on web sites are all the time, will not pickup a phone or send an e-mail about the subject they have all been whining about for months. Not a Patriot or another word American among you. Read the Teddy Roosevelt quote again, it applies to all of you.
    Now you're calling forum members cowards and insulting them. I don't think the site's owners had that in mind when they created it. You've got a lot of nerve.
    Are you suggesting that because the truth is unpleasant, it should be censored?

    Everyone wants to decide how the pie will be divided, and everyone asserts that they are entitled to a slice... But no one wants to acknowledge that the pie has been stolen, and no one wants to get it back or bake a new one. that would require actually DOING something, instead of bitching or talking about how sacred their dead freedoms are....

    Blah blah blah. Eat yer Big Mac and watch your 1080p. Bread and circuses....
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    What's a 1080p?


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    PrayingForWar wrote:
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    High definition television.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

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    ixtow wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    Except for Thundar, all I see is a bunch of whiners whinning about a quote or a word and that are too lazy, apatheic, or even to cowardly to take the actions requested by the Gun Owners of America.

    Will whine on web sites are all the time, will not pickup a phone or send an e-mail about the subject they have all been whining about for months. Not a Patriot or another word American among you. Read the Teddy Roosevelt quote again, it applies to all of you.
    Now you're calling forum members cowards and insulting them. I don't think the site's owners had that in mind when they created it. You've got a lot of nerve.
    Are you suggesting that because the truth is unpleasant, it should be censored?
    I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying something. In particular, that what he and you are saying isn't really the "truth", and that even if it is browbeating members of OCDO is counterproductive and probably not in keeping with the purpose of the website.

    But my post isn't the issue, it's my refusal to go along with IC's bashing of anyone not extreme enough to suit him. Pro-gun websites are always magnets for loudmouths and blowhards and internet commandos, and this thread is yet another example.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    Except for Thundar, all I see is a bunch of whiners whinning about a quote or a word and that are too lazy, apatheic, or even to cowardly to take the actions requested by the Gun Owners of America.

    Will whine on web sites are all the time, will not pickup a phone or send an e-mail about the subject they have all been whining about for months. Not a Patriot or another word American among you. Read the Teddy Roosevelt quote again, it applies to all of you.
    Now you're calling forum members cowards and insulting them. I don't think the site's owners had that in mind when they created it. You've got a lot of nerve.
    Are you suggesting that because the truth is unpleasant, it should be censored?
    I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying something. In particular, that what he and you are saying isn't really the "truth", and that even if it is browbeating members of OCDO is counterproductive and probably not in keeping with the purpose of the website.

    But my post isn't the issue, it's my refusal to go along with IC's bashing of anyone not extreme enough to suit him. Pro-gun websites are always magnets for loudmouths and blowhards and internet commandos, and this thread is yet another example.
    Perhaps the reference person in general is offensive in your view. Perhaps his did 'browbeat' people for 'not being extreme' enough....

    But his statements are no less true simply because someone feels downtrodden for it. And it by no means serves as a defense for being a 'good man who does nothing.'

    When the time to save something passes, only extremes can restore it. I'm sure you're well aware of my not so humble opinion that the time to take action to restor legitimate Constitutional rule has long passed. The situation is already extreme. Nothing less than an equally extreme force could repel it.

    I do assert that Opinion as Fact. And you may disagree. But you, sir, are doing no better than he, for browbeating people who point out an ugliness you would rather pretend isn't there. What else would inspire your bolded words above, but a need to over express to generate rhetorical support for your position that 'there's nothing to see here, move along...'

    I've never known you to jump that fence, yet you have. You'd call out others if they pulled something like that, and I've seen you do it. Shall I look the other way as you step on your own past arguments?

    I mostly to agree with the guy. Sitting about on our thumbs, calling it reasonable and allowing evil to triumph..... You can't back it without name calling... And the fact that you do proves the position is already abandoned. It's as if you're saying "You're right and I know it, but I'm going to kick your ass anyway."

    The substance of the topic has been lost to bickering.... But that might be the intent.
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    Dreamer wrote:
    Actually, I am decidedly NOT an "American". America is a continent, NOT a nation...

    I am a Citizen of the United States of America.

    Try telling a Canadian Border Guard that your nation of Residence is "America", and see what happens...

    However, by the end of 2012, the USA, Canada and Mexico will have finalized the North American Union treaty, and we may all, in fact BECOME "Americans"...
    I just tell 'em I am a bloody Yank. Usually get a good laugh and not much of a hassle. Well until homeland security act. Now I just don't go. Too much hassle.

    The funny thing is I always had an easier time coming back to U.S. than getting into Canada.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    It is my opinion that few "real Americans" can be found nowadays.

    Even if theyWERE found, what would such a tiny minority do to change the country -- bring about REAL and SERIOUS change -- when the vast majority of so-called "Americans" apparently like things the way they are, and where the country is going?

    Seems like a lost cause...but maybe it's the calm before the storm. Hope so.

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    The Donkey wrote:
    The Amendments to the health care bills --Â*while not necessary for 2A purposes --Â*addressed even the mostÂ*fanciful concerns that they would have any effect on gun ownership.

    The Privacy Act, 5 USC 552a, and the Health Insurance Privacy and Portability ActÂ*would prohibit the FBI or the BATFE from "trolling the ObamaCare medical database" in search of medical reasons to disqualify citizens from owning firearms.

    GOA should stick to the mustard of 2A issues, rather than crusading against whatever they deemÂ*obnoxious enough in Obama's agenda to pretend that it raises 2A issues.
    OK, so, to get back to "the truth", does anybody have an actually substantive rebuttal to Donkey's claim?

    As pro-gun as I am, and as anti-government health care, I can't help but see this as NRA-style irrelevant fear monger designed to solicit donations and Republican votes (and NOT third-party votes).

    (Notice how it started out referring to the Constitution Party, before making references to the Tea Party, the Libertarian Party, and "'even' the Republican Party", but eventually devolved into all-out begging for Republican votes, using the language of overt, irrelevant partisanship.)

    Can't we do better than this?

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    tekshogun wrote:
    ...SNIP
    Benjamin Franklin said that?Â*


    And I will say, if you research carefully, Edmund Burke was incorrectly misquoted.Â* They don't know who said those words.
    What exactly does "Incorrectly misquoted" mean?

    Are you saying that the quotation is wrong, but the inaccurate quotation is not is not from him? Are you saying that the quote is correct but attributed to the correct person? Are you saying that the quote is wrong and attributed to the wrong person?

    Holy confusing double speak Batman get a grip in the language.

    Where the hell is my duct tape.
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    Congrats Scott Brown

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    The Donkey wrote:
    Congrats Scott Brown
    +1

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    tekshogun wrote:
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    Benjamin Franklin said that?


    And I will say, if you research carefully, Edmund Burke was incorrectly misquoted. They don't know who said those words.
    What exactly does "Incorrectly misquoted" mean?

    Are you saying that the quotation is wrong, but the inaccurate quotation is not is not from him? Are you saying that the quote is correct but attributed to the correct person? Are you saying that the quote is wrong and attributed to the wrong person?

    Holy confusing double speak Batman get a grip in the language.

    Where the hell is my duct tape.

    Oh, man. This is too good. Now, we know how to tie the elders up in knots.

    Hey, Hawkflyer. When did you want to not come over for a drink? It can't be on a Thursday. And it can't not be on the third Monday after a quarter moon.

    :P

    (Now, watch. Just to bug me, he will carefully work all that out and come up with an answer.)

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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