Ratt402
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For starters, let me be straight, I am in no way trying to make anyone mad or upset, just trying to get an understanding on things.
Just what kind of message are we really trying to get across to people? I read stories in here and for the most part enjoy and understand and support them. But then there are those I do not understand. Those are the ones where a person is OCing and some uninformed person panics and call the police. A LEO is then dispatched and he is doing his job that he is obligated to do and INVESTIGATE, That's all, and make a decision from there on what to do. He would be doing that ifs its a person reported carrying a gun, stealing a car, or a cat in a tree. He is only responding because he has been called. Now if he just does something on his own is one thing, but for now, he has been called.
Back to the subject, Mr or Ms OC is just minding their own manners doing whatever it is they are doingand a LEO (remember, he is just doing his job the same as most of us do every day, to the best of our abilities) and asks the OCer a few questions. Now that LEO might ask for an ID, to check the serial number of our gun, or anything else that the OC has the lea gal right to refuse. Course, that puts the LEO at an immediate defense and the here we go.
Now, chances are, there are other people watching, passing by, etc. They only see a part of whats going on. Now, maybe the LEO might have done things different, better, or whatever. Remember, we carry to protect ourselves, our family and friends from the scumbags of the earth, the same scumbags the LEOs deal with everyday of their job! So, when they first come up on the OCer they don't know them from adam, so if you were in their shoes, what would you do to make sure you were safe from someone you don't know carrying a gun? Someone you don't know that may be running from the law, or is law abiding?
There is a story about two bulls standing on top of a hill, one young and one old. The young bull says to the old bull, "see all of those cows down there? lets run down there and go mount one of them!" The old bull replies " Why don't weWALK down there and mount them all?"
The point is, in a situation, sometimes being cooperative even though you don't HAVE to can do more good than harm. Either stand up and be very assertive to show that LEO you have rights and teach him a thing or two while at the same time the 10 to 20 people that might be watching are getting a bad taste about people carrying guns in the open, (remember, they are only seeing just a part of whats going on and yes, first impressions DO matter) or be cooperative, still inform the LEO of some rights you have and other lea gal issues he may be wrong about AND give a good image to the people that are watching a good taste of people with gun that carry.
I am not saying every time should be that way, like I mentioned before about the LEO who hassles on his own accord. Just sit back and think before you act.
Like I have said before, the is a difference between a legal right and a morale right and sometimes one needs to oversee the other.
I hope I haven't offended anyone as that was not my intent, just trying to understand a few things as being my age (45), I may see some things different than say someone in their 20s and am only wanting to try and see both sides.
Semper Fi!
For starters, let me be straight, I am in no way trying to make anyone mad or upset, just trying to get an understanding on things.
Just what kind of message are we really trying to get across to people? I read stories in here and for the most part enjoy and understand and support them. But then there are those I do not understand. Those are the ones where a person is OCing and some uninformed person panics and call the police. A LEO is then dispatched and he is doing his job that he is obligated to do and INVESTIGATE, That's all, and make a decision from there on what to do. He would be doing that ifs its a person reported carrying a gun, stealing a car, or a cat in a tree. He is only responding because he has been called. Now if he just does something on his own is one thing, but for now, he has been called.
Back to the subject, Mr or Ms OC is just minding their own manners doing whatever it is they are doingand a LEO (remember, he is just doing his job the same as most of us do every day, to the best of our abilities) and asks the OCer a few questions. Now that LEO might ask for an ID, to check the serial number of our gun, or anything else that the OC has the lea gal right to refuse. Course, that puts the LEO at an immediate defense and the here we go.
Now, chances are, there are other people watching, passing by, etc. They only see a part of whats going on. Now, maybe the LEO might have done things different, better, or whatever. Remember, we carry to protect ourselves, our family and friends from the scumbags of the earth, the same scumbags the LEOs deal with everyday of their job! So, when they first come up on the OCer they don't know them from adam, so if you were in their shoes, what would you do to make sure you were safe from someone you don't know carrying a gun? Someone you don't know that may be running from the law, or is law abiding?
There is a story about two bulls standing on top of a hill, one young and one old. The young bull says to the old bull, "see all of those cows down there? lets run down there and go mount one of them!" The old bull replies " Why don't weWALK down there and mount them all?"
The point is, in a situation, sometimes being cooperative even though you don't HAVE to can do more good than harm. Either stand up and be very assertive to show that LEO you have rights and teach him a thing or two while at the same time the 10 to 20 people that might be watching are getting a bad taste about people carrying guns in the open, (remember, they are only seeing just a part of whats going on and yes, first impressions DO matter) or be cooperative, still inform the LEO of some rights you have and other lea gal issues he may be wrong about AND give a good image to the people that are watching a good taste of people with gun that carry.
I am not saying every time should be that way, like I mentioned before about the LEO who hassles on his own accord. Just sit back and think before you act.
Like I have said before, the is a difference between a legal right and a morale right and sometimes one needs to oversee the other.
I hope I haven't offended anyone as that was not my intent, just trying to understand a few things as being my age (45), I may see some things different than say someone in their 20s and am only wanting to try and see both sides.
Semper Fi!