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    So I believe in people protecting themselves and their families, and therefore carrying in any way shape or form should be your right. Now in wisconsin you can only open carry.

    I'v been researching and learning as much as I can so I can properly and safely open carry.

    BUT...................

    1) The laws are so twisted, contradicting, un-certain with to many "gray areas".
    2) the cops don't all agree on the same definition of the laws. if you ask 10 cops the same question, you'll get 7different answers. (i speak from experience regarding automotive and motorcycle laws. occasionally i will talk to cops regarding questions. because while i research the laws myself and familiarize myself with them, i also like to be prepared for what the cops are going to say regarding the matter)
    3) without school zones being posted along the entire 1,000 foot perimeter, there is no way of knowing if you are entering one.
    4) with stories going around like the recent one of the guy being arrested on his front porch for having a gun on him, it honestly makes me very very nervous. I CAN NOT afford the financial cost associated with stupid legal trouble, AND i really don't want to be locked up instead of being home taking care of my 11month old boy.
    5) as an example, i still can't seem to get a clear answer regarding the difference between "school ZONE" and "school PREMISES" and carrying.



    So as much as I believe people should have the right to carry to protect themselves, I can't find myself coming up with enough courage to face all of these troubles. which i believe is absolute ********. basically the law is forcing me to decide between protecting my family, or watching them be victims if something should happen. and that in turn really makes me think about concealed carrying (i didn't say i am, i said i was thinking about it). My wife has already mentioned that she was afraid of being harassed and violated by the cops and that while she also wants to carry, she would have to carry it concealed, or not carry at all.




    So.............
    Am I wrong for having these concerns???
    What would you do???

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    I have the same feelings as You.My wife also would carry,but is concerned with LE.I have gone on Google earth to check my small community for GFSZ areas.I feel that I have that figured out now.As far as the school zone goes.all I will suggest is to do a search on the WI forum and read on.I won't say my thoughts cause I may be wrong and someone more knowing will have a better way with words.

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    I too have the same thoughts about maybe concealed carry.Like Uncle Ted says"The constitution is my right to carry".

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    I agree, you have every right to be concerned. I think we've all had a moment where we wanted to say forget it and carry concealed. The key is to stay legal and work to change the laws for the better.

    Look at it this way:

    You can carry legally and you might have an encounter with a LEO. If you do, you might be detained (even if wrongfully). Then you will be fighting a legal battle for years, but it will be one you have a good chance of winning.

    OR

    You can carry illegally, and something might go wrong (you might print, bent the wrong way and your gun shows, you might accidentally and unknowingly give tell-signs and somebody notices), and the cops are called. Now you can guarantee you will lose your firearm and be issued a citation, if not arrested. Then you will be fighting a legal battle you have almost no chance of winning.

    If you don't feel comfortable carrying, that's OK. I'm not going to judge you for it, as I was the same way for a long time. I hope you do decide to, but only for the right reasons (and it sounds like you've got the right reasons planned - defense of your family and yourself).

    Either way, good luck.

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    You aren't the only one who has thought that. I find all gun regulation laws BS.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    As with almost any fight to regain/retain rights, it is going to be an uphill battle. You would be surprised how many cops do not know the laws that they are entrusted to enforce.

    Some will ticket or arrest you wrongfully for a plethora of different things and just let the courts sort it out later with no regards on how it will affect the arrested.

    Yes open-carry is legal, yes there are currently prohibited places, yes a cop will apply the law wrongly, and yes some cops know O-C is legal but will harass you anyways because they do not like it.

    Thereason for this treatmentrests only on us, we let them get to this point by giving them these powers in the first place. And nobody promised it would be easy to get these people out of power.

    If you are not prepared to be harassed, I would say hold off for now and try to help the movement in other ways that will put less risk and hardship on your family

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    scorpio_vette wrote:
    What would you do???
    What I would do, based on your comments.

    Use OCDO and organize a "meet." I am certain there are people on here who would meet you at a WalMart or Gander. Meet up with them, and DON'T carry, just shop with them while they carry. You will be amazed.......

    After you do this a couple times, then you also carry. You start with those places that we "know" accept OC.

    After a couple times like that, then you can try on your own.

    A friend of mine once said, "when we are in a group, they leave us alone." Start your OC experience in a small group and then it will grow on it's own.

    Just my $ 0.02



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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    Use OCDO and organize a "meet." I am certain there are people on here who would meet you at a WalMart or Gander. Meet up with them, and DON'T carry, just shop with them while they carry. You will be amazed.......

    After you do this a couple times, then you also carry. You start with those places that we "know" accept OC.

    After a couple times like that, then you can try on your own.

    A friend of mine once said, "when we are in a group, they leave us alone." Start your OC experience in a small group and then it will grow on it's own.

    Just my $ 0.02

    I agree, anyone in the Appleton/Neenah area that wants to get together, PM me or post up. I will admit there are a few places I'm shy to go to OC but not many(for some reason I'm uncomfortable at places that sell guns?) I would be more than happy to accompany someone on their errands or whatever.
    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    scorpio_vette wrote:
    What would you do???
    What I would do, based on your comments.

    Use OCDO and organize a "meet." I am certain there are people on here who would meet you at a WalMart or Gander. Meet up with them, and DON'T carry, just shop with them while they carry. You will be amazed.......

    After you do this a couple times, then you also carry. You start with those places that we "know" accept OC.

    After a couple times like that, then you can try on your own.

    A friend of mine once said, "when we are in a group, they leave us alone." Start your OC experience in a small group and then it will grow on it's own.

    Just my $ 0.02

    I am in Green Bay for an OC meeting. I am not shy.
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    As am I, Let me know.
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    If you really want things to change, you have to be as persistent as an AmWay Salesperson. Relentless, tenacious. Like a kid who wants "that" box of cereal or bag of cookies. That tenacious.

    We also have to have each others backs. The real problem that I see is that not all gun owners are on board. I have spoken to guys I know to be avid hunters that think I am some kind of nut for carrying "out in the open for God's sake!"

    At this point we are trying to make some lost ground back but I can tell you that if we as a gun owning community do not get together, one day they will be coming for your precious hunting rifle with the pretty wood stock and lovely engraving and beautiful Nikon or Leupold scope.

    They will come after your evil Ruger 10-22 semi-automatic rifle, they will come after your coveted buck mark. They will finally come after your shotgun. and then after all these "sensible restrictions" have been put in place, they will then outright ban pointed knives, big sticks and rocks.

    Either we will all stand together or we will fall apart. What happens next will determine what happens for many years to come.
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    hardballer wrote:
    If you really want things to change, you have to be as persistent as an AmWay Salesperson. Relentless, tenacious. Like a kid who wants "that" box of cereal or bag of cookies. That tenacious.

    We also have to have each others backs. The real problem that I see is that not all gun owners are on board. I have spoken to guys I know to be avid hunters that think I am some kind of nut for carrying "out in the open for God's sake!"

    At this point we are trying to make some lost ground back but I can tell you that if we as a gun owning community do not get together, one day they will be coming for your precious hunting rifle with the pretty wood stock and lovely engraving and beautiful Nikon or Leupold scope.

    They will come after your evil Ruger 10-22 semi-automatic rifle, they will come after your coveted buck mark. They will finally come after your shotgun. and then after all these "sensible restrictions" have been put in place, they will then outright ban pointed knives, big sticks and rocks.

    Either we will all stand together or we will fall apart. What happens next will determine what happens for many years to come.
    Very,Very true.
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    The gun community is very much like say, purebred cattle breeders.Most any Angus breeder won't have anything to do with you and will put noses in the air,if you raise Texas Longhorns.
    In the end. It is those that oppose that cause the most negative feedback from observers.I feel that is why our battle is such a hard one.We open carriers not only have the anti-gunners to fight but so many other gun owners.
    If we had the support of even half the gun community.We would be golden.

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    32HR MAG wrote:
    The gun community is very much like say, purebred cattle breeders.Most any Angus breeder won't have anything to do with you and will put noses in the air,if you raise Texas Longhorns.
    In the end. It is those that oppose that cause the most negative feedback from observers.I feel that is why our battle is such a hard one.We open carriers not only have the anti-gunners to fight but so many other gun owners.
    If we had the support of even half the gun community.We would be golden.
    yes, I very much agree with you.
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    So the magic question then is:

    How do we get through to the "hunters" and let them know we ARE them!

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    So the magic question then is:

    How do we get through to the "hunters" and let them know we ARE them!
    Put the paper targets down, buy a small game liecense & put a few miles on with the intention of spreading the word in the woods; not from the pulpit.

    Just my .02
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    Lurchiron wrote:
    bnhcomputing wrote:
    So the magic question then is:

    How do we get through to the "hunters" and let them know we ARE them!
    Put the paper targets down, buy a small game liecense & put a few miles on with the intention of spreading the word in the woods; not from the pulpit.

    Just my .02
    :? ok, what ever...
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    Glock34 wrote:
    Lurchiron wrote:
    bnhcomputing wrote:
    So the magic question then is:

    How do we get through to the "hunters" and let them know we ARE them!
    Put the paper targets down, buy a small game liecense & put a few miles on with the intention of spreading the word in the woods; not from the pulpit.

    Just my .02
    :? ok, what ever...
    More flies with honey is all I was saying...at least ask(and maybe change)the hunter's opinion, before you ask for their vote.



    That, and this land is WISCONSIN...after all!!!
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    I grew up with firearms.I myself have never understood why we as firearm owners have this separation.I have hunted , and do consider myself as a hunter.

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    Most of us have thought about this including me. Many people I've talked to have said if their life were in danger enough, they would conceal carry to protect their life and/or their family's life, and I can't say I would disagree. In Wisconsin it's a misdemeanor if caught CCing a firearm no matter how many times caught. That also is probably part of the problem with the criminals who carry guns for the wrong reasons and won't learn their lesson. But I guess if I were in enough danger I would maybe CC to protect my life and if I were to be caught it would be more worth the risk for protecting my life than if it were to be a felony charge.

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    I've just started OC, but for the past several years I have CC'd illegally virtually everywhere I go even in bars and restaurants with the full knowledge that if I pull the gun I go to jail until it gets sorted out.

    But if I NEED it, I got it! And if I NEED it then the law be damned at that point.

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    XDm-40_guy wrote:
    Most of us have thought about this including me. Many people I've talked to have said if their life were in danger enough, they would conceal carry to protect their life and/or their family's life, and I can't say I would disagree. In Wisconsin it's a misdemeanor if caught CCing a firearm no matter how many times caught. That also is probably part of the problem with the criminals who carry guns for the wrong reasons and won't learn their lesson. But I guess if I were in enough danger I would maybe CC to protect my life and if I were to be caught it would be more worth the risk for protecting my life than if it were to be a felony charge.
    Seconded. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six if your life is seriously in danger.

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    Spartacus wrote:
    I've just started OC, but for the past several years I have CC'd illegally virtually everywhere I go even in bars and restaurants with the full knowledge that if I pull the gun I go to jail until it gets sorted out.

    But if I NEED it, I got it! And if I NEED it then the law be damned at that point.
    I too have concealed in the past just knowing that the risk of being caught was less than the danger I might encounter. I haven't done it very often though.

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    So now OCDO members are admitting to and condoning breaking the law.

    That is EXACTLY why the law-abiding deer hunters WON'T support you guys. You've just admitted to being criminals and as others posted here, we KNOW LEO watches this forum.

    I will NOT support those who choose to break the law.

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    So the magic question then is:

    How do we get through to the "hunters" and let them know we ARE them!
    the next phase of the campain should to put together a solid presentation thouroghly research common questions have good answers and take the presentation to

    every sportsmans club , gun show , sportsmans show and rod and real club trust me many of them want concealed carry they just need to see that open carry is a veihcle to the concealed carry , or atleast a way to take control of our state and our right.

    they almost all have monthly meatings and most are happy to have presenters , if you can find a LEO to help with the presentation it will be that much better.

    that takes a lot of time from some very valuable resources to take good presenters to all these places ,but if you put together a good 15-20 minute video it could be sent out with more people who can answer questions and spread the word.

    bringing the video to lots of places not just fellow gun owners could also help to educate people about open carry when people understand they will be less likly to call the police , making carry an everyday thing easier and easier.

    a table at a gun show is relitivly inexpensive , and you can be assured almost every one there owns and likes guns and belives in the right to own them the next step is to carry them but definitly sell the idea that we belive that the good people of wisconsin should have what ever carry they want open or concealed we are all for choices , but that we need to excersize this right as it has not been taken from us while we work to liberate our concealed right in time.

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