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Do you trust your gun caliber
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tyguy808
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dang wrote:
dang wrote:
Count me in as a jerk! If by that you mean someone that has respect for the his elders and people that may in fact know more than I do about the subject at hand.
amlevin
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"One between the headlights" is a stopper, regardless of caliber. Some carry big weapons and then find that it doesn't do the job when the shtf. No matter how good you think you are at the range, that doesn't mean squat when someone is shooting back. The problem with carrying large calibers is that the second, third, etc, shots are often all over the place due to recoil.
The proper caliber FOR YOU, the average shooter, is one that you can consistently place shots in a small group when under high levels of stress. Try shooting while standing on one foot and see how you do. Try shooting with 5-6 guys standing around shouting instructions in your ear. Try shooting while moving across the range (probably can't do this at a supervised range but a good exercise for that session at the gravel pit). When you can consistently shoot a group at 25' that can be covered with your hand, and do so while rapid firing, THEN you have mastered that caliber. I suggest one start small, like 9mm, and then move up to 40, 45, or even 10mm if you like. Same challenge for revolvers. Start with .38 and work up to .44mag.
It isn't the size of the bullet that stops, it is WHERE it hits and how often. All too often big recoil calibers place second and third shots somewhere down range and don't hurt the attacker at all.
"One between the headlights" is a stopper, regardless of caliber. Some carry big weapons and then find that it doesn't do the job when the shtf. No matter how good you think you are at the range, that doesn't mean squat when someone is shooting back. The problem with carrying large calibers is that the second, third, etc, shots are often all over the place due to recoil.
The proper caliber FOR YOU, the average shooter, is one that you can consistently place shots in a small group when under high levels of stress. Try shooting while standing on one foot and see how you do. Try shooting with 5-6 guys standing around shouting instructions in your ear. Try shooting while moving across the range (probably can't do this at a supervised range but a good exercise for that session at the gravel pit). When you can consistently shoot a group at 25' that can be covered with your hand, and do so while rapid firing, THEN you have mastered that caliber. I suggest one start small, like 9mm, and then move up to 40, 45, or even 10mm if you like. Same challenge for revolvers. Start with .38 and work up to .44mag.
It isn't the size of the bullet that stops, it is WHERE it hits and how often. All too often big recoil calibers place second and third shots somewhere down range and don't hurt the attacker at all.
HankT
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massivedesign wrote:
How many shots would you estimate you've fired without ear protection?
massivedesign wrote:
Your practice seems unwise.
How many shots would you estimate you've fired without ear protection?
amlevin
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tyguy808 wrote:
It isn't the bullet, it's where the bullet goes.
tyguy808 wrote:
Really? In the last year or so, there was a robbery at a SE Tacoma Area Schuck's Auto Parts Store. Someone went in, tried to steal a small motor cycle from the floor, and when challenged pulled a gun. A customer, who happened to be armed with a .45 cal pistol fired and hit the robber with all 7 rounds. You might make the case that that surely stopped the assailant but in reality he was still able to fire a round or so and hit a store employee. The actor was wounded but the wounds were not life threatening. It would seem that in this encounter just about anything would have been as much a stopper as the .45.
It isn't the bullet, it's where the bullet goes.
tyguy808
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HankT wrote:
HankT wrote:
I would say that I personally have fired 1000+ 9mm, 5000+ .22lr and 500+ .223 rem without hearing protection and exactly 2 .45ACP rounds.The .45 definetly hurt the most..... by far.
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Gee tyguy, who is elder and why do I bother. As far as knowing more than your friend , well you don't know ,do ya .I'm not going to carry on with this pissing contest. Ben Franklin said don't argue with an idiot because after awhile people won't be able to tell the difference.
Gee tyguy, who is elder and why do I bother. As far as knowing more than your friend , well you don't know ,do ya .I'm not going to carry on with this pissing contest. Ben Franklin said don't argue with an idiot because after awhile people won't be able to tell the difference.
tyguy808
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dang wrote:
dang wrote:
Age is not the issue here. I can sure as hell tell who has been here longest. That BF quote seems to support my arguement more than yours.
massivedesign
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HankT wrote:
Unwise? Probably in the long run. I have been doing this for 12 years, probably between 10-20 rounds a year. I have done it a little more recently since I acquired my XD40sc, during break in (attempting to be real familiar with the pistol) I have probably done to 20 times in the last 5 months.
To me, it's about desensitization of the initial "shock" against that type of a noise... To me, it's about preparedness. I know what my capabilities are with my XD now (range, sight picture, target acquiring, hand positioning etc), it's second nature for me to want to know what my last line of defense sounds like...
To each their own...
HankT wrote:
I'm sorry.. What? I couldn't hear you :lol:...
Unwise? Probably in the long run. I have been doing this for 12 years, probably between 10-20 rounds a year. I have done it a little more recently since I acquired my XD40sc, during break in (attempting to be real familiar with the pistol) I have probably done to 20 times in the last 5 months.
To me, it's about desensitization of the initial "shock" against that type of a noise... To me, it's about preparedness. I know what my capabilities are with my XD now (range, sight picture, target acquiring, hand positioning etc), it's second nature for me to want to know what my last line of defense sounds like...
To each their own...
massivedesign
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dang wrote:
Another for the Jerk side here... :celebrate
dang wrote:
Another for the Jerk side here... :celebrate
antispam540
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If this board's based on seniority, I'm screwed. On the other hand, Dang, your Internet Maturity Level seems to be quite low... You get more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Think about it this way - why fight over who's top dog? A bunch of "top dogs" are as good as body armor. They draw all the attention and go down first :lol:
If this board's based on seniority, I'm screwed. On the other hand, Dang, your Internet Maturity Level seems to be quite low... You get more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Think about it this way - why fight over who's top dog? A bunch of "top dogs" are as good as body armor. They draw all the attention and go down first :lol:
antispam540
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Being attacked on the internet is about as violent as "assault by sock monkey".
Being attacked on the internet is about as violent as "assault by sock monkey".
HankT
State Researcher
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massivedesign wrote:
Have you discussed the practice with your physician or an audiologist?
massivedesign wrote:
Have you discussed the practice with your physician or an audiologist?
Trigger Dr
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tyguy808 wrote:
I sent dang a PM and tried to calm things a bit. I was going to just let this die, but after dang's remarks continued, I will let you come to your own conclusions. Here is the text of the PM's.
If I have misinterpreted you and your posts, I apologize. If on the other hand I was correct, I stand firm in my observation. I am willing to call a truce in the matter. After spending 30 years in the LEO business as civilian and federal agent and a term as a judge, I have never held back from speaking my mind, and will say face to face what I type here. At times it has bit me in the butt. This may have been one of those times.
Have a good life, you deserve it.
Jim
I knew there had to be a government asshole behind the salty remarks you made.
For you to say that I WAS A SURVIVALIST MILITIA COP WAS HURTFUL A SPECIAL MEANING. .Now you want to smooth things over,THAT is, down right pathetic.
Let me express myself to you cops and judges, **** off!!!!! I hate you son of bitches, your kind put me on trial with no evidence, one. In fact you motherfuckers lied to the jury and still the jury found me innocent. Thank God for tape recorders.. Let me express myself more clear. When I can see cops and judges swinging from a light pole, by the hand of other patriots I will cry hooray. I hate you government traitors more than Al kida.
**** OFF
tyguy808 wrote:
I sent dang a PM and tried to calm things a bit. I was going to just let this die, but after dang's remarks continued, I will let you come to your own conclusions. Here is the text of the PM's.
If I have misinterpreted you and your posts, I apologize. If on the other hand I was correct, I stand firm in my observation. I am willing to call a truce in the matter. After spending 30 years in the LEO business as civilian and federal agent and a term as a judge, I have never held back from speaking my mind, and will say face to face what I type here. At times it has bit me in the butt. This may have been one of those times.
Have a good life, you deserve it.
Jim
I knew there had to be a government asshole behind the salty remarks you made.
For you to say that I WAS A SURVIVALIST MILITIA COP WAS HURTFUL A SPECIAL MEANING. .Now you want to smooth things over,THAT is, down right pathetic.
Let me express myself to you cops and judges, **** off!!!!! I hate you son of bitches, your kind put me on trial with no evidence, one. In fact you motherfuckers lied to the jury and still the jury found me innocent. Thank God for tape recorders.. Let me express myself more clear. When I can see cops and judges swinging from a light pole, by the hand of other patriots I will cry hooray. I hate you government traitors more than Al kida.
**** OFF
tyguy808
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Trigger Dr wrote:
Trigger Dr wrote:
So, am I in trouble?
Trigger Dr
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Not you...... but some one else might be.
Not you...... but some one else might be.
kito109654
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This forum has no report function! Will a MOD please step in and close this thread due to forum rules being blatantly broken.
NO COP BASHING! No bashing at all. Get a grip, people.
This forum has no report function! Will a MOD please step in and close this thread due to forum rules being blatantly broken.
NO COP BASHING! No bashing at all. Get a grip, people.
massivedesign
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daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg...
You should go over to glocktalk... you'll fit right in...
That's I'll I gotta say...
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg...
You should go over to glocktalk... you'll fit right in...
That's I'll I gotta say...
joeroket
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He obviously has not bothered to read any of your other Posts, eh Dr.
I will stand behind trigger dr any day of the week. Just because he is retired LEO only means he has the ability to understand how both sides operate. He will also be one of the first to stand up and cry BS when an LEO goes beyond the scope of his authority and duty.
Dang you would be well served to read the threads before you slam someone because of their profession.
To keep my post within the topic, I trust my G22 with my families life. I have no doubt that a .40 round is a superior SD round as do quite a number of ballistic experts, CSI types, and trauma docs.
He obviously has not bothered to read any of your other Posts, eh Dr.
I will stand behind trigger dr any day of the week. Just because he is retired LEO only means he has the ability to understand how both sides operate. He will also be one of the first to stand up and cry BS when an LEO goes beyond the scope of his authority and duty.
Dang you would be well served to read the threads before you slam someone because of their profession.
To keep my post within the topic, I trust my G22 with my families life. I have no doubt that a .40 round is a superior SD round as do quite a number of ballistic experts, CSI types, and trauma docs.