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    News Article: "Mountain lions drag off family dog" - Source: http://www.gazette.com/articles/moun...ily-butts.html

    Head-banging quote: "“It will be a while before we have another dog,” Butts said. “We’ve lost a pet, but we’ve got to figure out, if we’re going to have another pet, how do we keep it safe and how do we keep ourselves safe?”"

    Well, Gee. Hmm... This is a hard one! Let me rack my brains for a bit....
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    since9 wrote:
    News Article: "Mountain lions drag off family dog" - Source: http://www.gazette.com/articles/moun...ily-butts.html

    Head-banging quote: "“It will be a while before we have another dog,” Butts said. “We’ve lost a pet, but we’ve got to figure out, if we’re going to have another pet, how do we keep it safe and how do we keep ourselves safe?”"

    Well, Gee. Hmm... This is a hard one! Let me rack my brains for a bit....
    Quick, I've got to take my cat out there. Do you have the address where this happened? My cat is evil. Has no reason to be alive.


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    Keep dog safe- hunt mt lions

    keep self safe- hunt mt lions and pack heat

    Does CO have some animal rights idiot law about hunting mt lions with dogs? I know there was a ballot initiative that caused more coyotes to be alive and causing trouble, and have more beavers flooding stuff and cutting trees down. That was the anti trapping law, which is totally stupid. I am still waiting for MA to flood to the point of merging with the ocean via beavers, and having packs of 50 pound coyotes eat all the dogs and cats.

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    For some reason the text of the story never appeared. I did see the picture of the dog that was lost.

    My advice, leave lap dogs at home when out in the wilderness. Bring BIG dog and a firearm as backup.

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    “We moved into their country. We weren’t ignorant to the fact there were mountain lions around,” Butts said Friday. “Bears are around. Mountain lions are around. It is a danger of living in this area.”

    “Obviously we never envisioned it as a reality for us.”



    That's like saying I moved into the hood. I knew that there was crime there but I didn'tthink that it would happen to me.:shock:So I did nothing to protect myself.

    Where do they find these people?
    Don't confuse me with the facts, I have my emotions!

    I guess that's the difference between no crime and "stopping" a crime in progress. I prefer no crime.

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    I finally got the story text to load up.

    Man, how stupid can people be. They must be city slickers.

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    They need a sign.



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    "I really don’t have a guess as to why they’re more active this year and why we’re seeing more of them,” he said. “It’s entirely possible they’re just finding hunting a little bit tougher up on the slopes of (Pikes) Peak.”
    Ummm, maybe because ya'll don't hunt them, or teach them aversion to humans and human habitation, just a guess.

    Maybe it is because they have been breeding and filling up all the other hunting ranges occupied by mountain lions and they need to be thinned out.

    Folks, our ancestors killed out the mountain lions for a reason ... they consider humans FOOD and WILL hunt humans.

    Forget the dog, evidently you didn't take his warnings seriously enough to at least walk your property line to see what tracks were being left by the wildlife, so now, without an early warning system, how do you plan to keep your 7 year old child safe? From a predator who specializes in the attack from hiding and is a master of camoflage?

    Sounds like this guy needs to move back to the metro where he is safe. Oh, wait, isn't the crime rate up in the Springs? Maybe not so safe. Time to run screaming down the road, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

    I wonder what the response time to his residence is for emergency services? So sad.
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    While this view will certainly be controversial, you folks need to remember that some people actually SHOULD be considered as food for lions and such. That would be called thinning of the herd and in most cases it will be the ... Um ... Less intelligent who are taken. Over time such thinning eliminates to less intelligent and selects for higher intelligence. Of course it could be said that it also selects for fast runners.

    SInce "**** Sapiens" means literally Wise man in latin, clearly anyone not able to think through what might be necessary to assure their survival in a wilderness area might be considered as Darwin fodder. It is an unfortunate truth that such people will on occasion take a helpless dog with them into such a misadventure.


    I feel bad for the dog.
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    I lived off and on in CO Springs while stationed at Ft. Carson. They kept building houses higher and higher up the slopes. People would chain their dogs up or let them out and wonder why "Foo-foo" was missing. They'd rant and rave about the mountain lions but Oohhhhhh noooo DO NOT let anyone hunt them. HaHa buncha IDIOTS!!!
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    HERE IS THE FIX.

    PICK ONE OF THE MANY FLAVORS AVAILABLE.




    AND ONE OF THESE SHOULD DO IT.



    i COULD MAKE IT SIMPLER IF NEED BE.





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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    While this view will certainly be controversial, you folks need to remember that some people actually SHOULD be considered as food for lions and such. That would be called thinning of the herd and in most cases it will be the ... Um ... Less intelligent who are taken. Over time such thinning eliminates to less intelligent and selects for higher intelligence. Of course it could be said that it also selects for fast runners.

    SInce "**** Sapiens" means literally Wise man in latin, clearly anyone not able to think through what might be necessary to assure their survival in a wilderness area might be considered as Darwin fodder. It is an unfortunate truth that such people will on occasion take a helpless dog with them into such a misadventure.


    I feel bad for the dog.
    I totally agree with you Hawkflyer.

    I guess that puts us in the "Cold Hearted SOB's Club"

    If you think about it, isn't it amazing how man in general wants to preserve the natural world, but yet fights it so much toinsure the survival of theweakist of our own species, therefore deteriating the gene pool.

    As a whole, **** sapiens are our own worst enemy, in every aspect. Where's the wisdom in that?

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    TehGruu wrote:
    They need a sign.
    Yup!!I agree with Gruu
    Just put a sign up with a picture of a mountain lion with a red circle around it, and a diagonal red stripe. That'll keep those moutain lions away!!Politicians think a similiar sign will stop criminals from robbing places! So it must work.

    yup, lets move out to a near wilderness area, and then be surprised, & complain when the local predators eat that tasty little morsel you have been tempting them with for a few months.

    Maybe next time they could get a dog that tastes really bad, then the cats might spit it out and leave it alone.

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    Spent summers on my uncles sheep station here in Michigan we didn't have much mountain lion trouble but we did have gang bangers dump their pit bulls so they would not get busted for dog fighting. These dogs usually would kill sheep so we had a way of reasoning with them. 150 grain cast bullet and a charge of IMR 3031 out of a O3A3 Springfield rifle or a load of #4 buckshot out of a Ithaca 37 shot gun. I suspect these would work for a Mountain lion as well.

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    Nutczak wrote:
    TehGruu wrote:
    They need a sign.
    Yup!!I agree with Gruu
    *Just put a sign up with a picture of a mountain lion with a red circle around it, and a diagonal red stripe. That'll keep those moutain lions away!!*Politicians think a similiar sign will stop criminals from robbing places! So it must work.

    yup, lets move out to a near wilderness area, and then be surprised, & complain when the local predators eat that tasty little morsel you have been tempting them with for a few months.

    Maybe next time they could get a dog that tastes really bad, then the cats might spit it out and leave it alone.
    I think he means one of Bill Engval's "Stupid" Signs.
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
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    I say, refer to the film 'Ghost in the Darkness' as a good reference guide on what to do with problematic felines.

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    OK... lemme chime in here. I live in the 'wild' part of the ol' wild west. There's critters in this desert that'll eat you... bite you, sting you. Some woman recently wrote: "What kind of a place is this when something just swoops out of the sky and takes your little dog right out of the yard?"

    It's the Sonora Desert... 'n it ain't Disneyland. Little 'Foo Foo' dogs arejust dinner for something. I've had mountain lion pass my gate (tracks)... might'a even beenon the property altho I didn't see the tracks out back. It was during a long drought 'n it prob'ly came lookin' or water. I have a swimmin' pool. OK... so I'm not gonna kill it 'cause it's thirsty. I knew somethin' was amiss 'cause the horses were screamin'.They don't do that with coyotes 'n bobcats.The big cats don't kill for the helluvit. They're hungry.

    There's a tribe of coyotes that get together for a sing-along 3-4 times a day 'bout a half mile of so away. They carry on for 15-20 seconds 'n then stop. I have no fear of the coyotes... nor reason to kill 'em just 'cause they're coyotes. 'Same with the gray wolves, bobcats, coati's, hawks, eagles, road runners'n owls. Then there's the javelina. I have King snakes come visit now 'n then. One of 'em fell outta the lemon tree into my pool one night (while I was in it).

    'Splash! "What the hell was that?" sez I. "A snakes's in the pool." sez the wife. 'What kind'a snake?" sez I. "I dunno... a big one..." sez the wife. She now brags to her co-workers that her husbandcan walkon water.

    It was a King snake... it got outta the pool on its own 'n hid under a planter. Later it squeezed thru a crack 'n got under the house. We left it alone. King snakes eat rattlesnakes... rats, mice and ground squirrels. We have a pair of resident Great Horned Owls that have eliminated our ground squirrel problem... along with the various hawks 'n Golden eagles.

    My cats are all 'indoors'... 'cause outside they're 'dinner'. The desert is what it is. If wekilled every wild critter we saw... it'd be a lot less interesting to live here. City people... 'townies', move into these remote regions completely clueless. 'Condition White'. They have no guns... no situational awareness and no coping skills. Some have actually 'moved' 'cause they found a scorpion, solifugid (Sunspider)or tarantula wandering around. This ain't Minny-soda... or Nuu Yawk. Duhhh?

    Wild critters live here... and have always lived here or anywhere 'wild'. A single lion will have a hunting radiusof about 80 miles. No tellin' from which mountainrange this onecame. They even been spotted on the streets of downtown Tucson late at night. They use the various arroyos (washes) as highways.

    Course the developers build their ticky-tacky's right up against these arroyos... 'n all the cat's 'n coyotessee in these yards are yapping 'groceries'.


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    ‘My Desert Home’

    No concrete beneath my feet
    No towers of steel and glass
    Just mountain vistas all around
    A southern wind blows thru the pass

    I watch the Golden Eagles soar
    Gambrils Quail peck in the sand
    All of this from my back door
    By God I love this land

    The wild things make strange noises
    And give my wife a fright
    When it's dark and quiet
    In this desert in the night

    It's strangely wild and haunting
    When coyotes start to sing
    The owls willhoot 'n twitter
    'Long with other grunts 'n things

    Now ‘n then I’ll hear the sound
    Of a lobo gray wolf howl
    Somewhere in this desert
    ‘Neith a full moon… on the prowl

    The roosters crow in morning
    A horse will neigh and whicker
    But there ain't no sirens blarin’ here
    No noisy city slickers

    The lizards do their push-ups
    On top of my back wall
    As rabbits romp without a care
    ‘Bout anything at all


    A flock of doves surround me
    And birds of every hue
    Who’ll suddenly just disappear
    When a hawk comes into view

    Sometimes, there’s just the shrill ‘Kreeee’
    Of a raptor, close around
    That always brings a smile to me
    There’s no more fierce or wilder sound


    Then a cactus wren will scold me
    The woodpeckers chime in
    The hummingbirds will twitter
    'Til I finally go back in

    I think of where I came from
    'Remember where I've been
    Then I pick up my hat ‘n pistol…
    And begin my day again


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    Well, right here in North Carolina, not even in the foothills or the mountains, I'm talking urbanized areas, we have coyotes, black bears, hawks, eagles, and owls, copperheads, bobcats, all kinds of things that will make off with small animals and the larger ones just may make a meal of a small child or attack a human in general. Not to mention we have a rabbies problem around here.

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    “Obviously we never envisioned it as a reality for us.”
    I fully agree with the study that in a nutshell that said until a person is around 25 their brain hasn't really developed to the point that they can understand that it can happen to them. The one problem that I have with the study is that some people, and in this case I think the people were over 25, never develop the ability to believe that it can happen to them. You move into a placein the middle ofwild animal territory and then are surprised when they show up. Yup, There's your sign. When I was a little boy my grandfather killed an alligator in the chicken house right in the back yard. I don't remember him saying "You mean alligators actually eat chickens!!!!".

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Does CO have some animal rights idiots
    yes!

    “We moved into their country. We weren’t ignorant to the fact there were mountain lions around,” Butts said Friday. “Bears are around. Mountain lions are around. It is a danger of living in this area.”

    “Obviously we never envisioned it as a reality for us.”



    they're probly sitting there wondering "how could an animal do this to such a cute puppy oh why oh why cant they just be friends?!?!?!"

    after the hippy movement i saw in CO last time i was there, i dont plan on going back

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    r6-rider wrote:
    ...SNIP
    they're probly sitting there wondering "how could an animal do this to such a cute puppy oh why oh why cant they just be friends?!?!?!"

    after the hippy movement i saw in CO last time i was there, i dont plan on going back
    Not to push a sharp stick in anyones sacred cow, but we all have Walt Disney to thank for all of this.:what:
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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    I write (cowboy) poetry... I'll share this onewith ya.

    ‘My Desert Home’

    No concrete beneath my feet
    No towers of steel and glass
    Just mountain vistas all around
    A southern wind blows thru the pass

    I watch the Golden Eagles soar
    Gambrils Quail peck in the sand
    All of this from my back door
    By God I love this land

    The wild things make strange noises
    And give my wife a fright
    When it's dark and quiet
    In this desert in the night

    It's strangely wild and haunting
    When coyotes start to sing
    The owls willhoot 'n twitter
    'Long with other grunts 'n things

    Now ‘n then I’ll hear the sound
    Of a lobo gray wolf howl
    Somewhere in this desert
    ‘Neith a full moon… on the prowl

    The roosters crow in morning
    A horse will neigh and whicker
    But there ain't no sirens blarin’ here
    No noisy city slickers

    The lizards do their push-ups
    On top of my back wall
    As rabbits romp without a care
    ‘Bout anything at all


    A flock of doves surround me
    And birds of every hue
    Who’ll suddenly just disappear
    When a hawk comes into view

    Sometimes, there’s just the shrill ‘Kreeee’
    Of a raptor, close around
    That always brings a smile to me
    There’s no more fierce or wilder sound


    Then a cactus wren will scold me
    The woodpeckers chime in
    The hummingbirds will twitter
    'Til I finally go back in

    I think of where I came from
    'Remember where I've been
    Then I pick up my hat ‘n pistol…
    And begin my day again

    Amen Brother.

    As a teenager, I used to get up at 4:30am and go fishing ... I would come home with my catch about sunup, clean it, put it in a bowl of salted water on the counter top, go take my shower, and by the time I got back, mom had pan fried sand bass and scrambled eggs ready ... mmmmmmmm!

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    'Happened in FL several times when I lived there... Prob'ly still does. It is what it is.

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