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    I am new to opencarry.org, but not to UOC. I UOC in Alameda County all of the time. As long as you stay 1,000 ft away from schools and know your area, you should have no problem. The only problems i've had is getting the locations on private schools, as they are also restricted. any comments?

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    Welcome. You have the most important thing needed, be aware of where you are. I know my area very well and I UOC all the time. The stores I go to, all of the employees are used to seeing me armed.

    One day when it rained, I didn't OC. I was at the grocery store and the cashier asked me where my gun was. Of all the places I UOC, no on has freaked out or seen a need for “hypervigilant urgency” .

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    Welcome to the forum.Excellent question actually. UOC isn't any big deal at all. But there are those who believe that by doing what is legal you will make it illegal. They call themselves "the right people" and they can be found over at calguns.
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    I binged hyperviligance.....

    Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats. Hypervigilance is also accompanied by a state of increased anxiety which can cause exhaustion. Other symptoms include: abnormally increased arousal, a high responsiveness to stimuli and a constant scanning of the environment for threats.[1][/suP] Hypervigilance can be a symptom of posttraumatic stress disorder[2][/suP] or various types of anxiety disorder.

    Abnormal increased arousal...is that like "blue steel"?
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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Welcome to the forum.Excellent question actually. UOC isn't any big deal at all. But there are those who believe that by doing what is legal you will make it illegal. They call themselves "the right people" and they can be found over at calguns.
    If anyone involved in the standown does so for the reasons stated above, they are an idiot.

    The stand down is about timing and planning. The logical legislative reprocussions over OC today are greater then the will be post 2A incorporation.

    Maybe its not as evident as it once was, but 99% of the CA Members of OCDO that have been here for a couple years or more are in full support of the standdown. The standdown was most certainly innitiated by the CalGuns Foundation (you know, that group that has done more for gun rights in CA in the last few years then ANY other group http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ind...-for-me-lately ) but it was also embraced here in the CA section at OCDO.

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    mjones wrote:
    If anyone involved in the standown does so for the reasons stated above, they are an idiot.

    The stand down is about timing and planning. The logical legislative reprocussions over OC today are greater then the will be post 2A incorporation.

    Maybe its not as evident as it once was, but 99% of the CA Members of OCDO that have been here for a couple years or more are in full support of the standdown. The standdown was most certainly innitiated by the CalGuns Foundation (you know, that group that has done more for gun rights in CA in the last few years then ANY other group http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ind...-for-me-lately ) but it was also embraced here in the CA section at OCDO.
    The reasons stated are what's being purported. Legislative reprocussions are always a reality, regardless of 2A incorporation. Just like post 4A incorporation (Mapp v Ohio, 1961)and the Mulford Act (1967).

    It matters not how many have decided to stand down. That'stheir personal decision, for their personal reasons. The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. And individually we each will choose. Regardless, I look forward to post 2A incorporation when our brethren will once again join us in our lawful open carry events.

    By the way, there was a very brieftime period after Nordyke incorporated 2A tothe PRK, but before the en banc ruling. If anyone finds the proclamation from the right people during that time period giving the green light to UOC let me know. Because I looked and couldn't find it. I wonder why?


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    Despite my recent dance with the LAPD, I too will stand down.

    I will still carry while hiking and camping of course, but my daily carry will wait for SCOTUS decisions.

    You must believe that we can not make any more waves. I have been privileged with the "inside scoop" pertaining to the immediate legal ramifications currently being discussed at state levels. The "right people" know the who's and what's of this situation, and fear for our Constitutional rights that face the possibility of sanction.

    For the good of all....hold off on UOC for now. It's a headache we cannot afford at this time.

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    mjones wrote:
    [SNIP]The stand-down was most certainly innitiated by the CalGuns Foundation...but it was also embraced here in the CA section at OCDO.
    I think you should speak for yourself and not for the entire CA section at OCDO, because what you purport is simply not true. I would venture to say many here do not embrace a stand-down.
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    Yep and because OpsMarine was UOC'ing it appeared to have stopped what could have been bodily harm to someone.

    I still don't get why the reason to stand down is only known to a few "select" individuals.

    I too hope for incorporation bologne ( we all know all the ammendments are the supreme law of the land), that way it can be put to rest and those who are afraid open carrying not only in California but Hawaii (hopefully) Illinoise, D.C. and others can join us in this wonderful freedom.
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    Thanks for the replies. After reading some of the post, I was apprehensive of people replying with sarcastic comments. I think it is absolutley awesome that we are all together supporting our rights.

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    I see...so the idea is to keep quite and get some legislatation and judicial decisions and then emerge!!! Good idea...I'll still continue UOC for now.

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    I see...so the idea is to keep quite and get some legislatation and judicial decisions and then emerge!!! Good idea...I'll still continue UOC for now.

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    Army wrote:
    Despite my recent dance with the LAPD, I too will stand down.

    I will still carry while hiking and camping of course, but my daily carry will wait for SCOTUS decisions.

    You must believe that we can not make any more waves. I have been privileged with the "inside scoop" pertaining to the immediate legal ramifications currently being discussed at state levels. The "right people" know the who's and what's of this situation, and fear for our Constitutional rights that face the possibility of sanction.

    For the good of all....hold off on UOC for now. It's a headache we cannot afford at this time.
    The waves will never subside enough not to have an impact. Think of law-abiding gun owners as the moon, and the legislature as LuthorCorp, trying to erect a massive concrete sea wall blocking off every mile of coastline, so no more beaches, no more surfing, etc...

    Even if all UOCers committed suicide tomorrow, the legislature would still be raping law-abiding gun owners, with impunity, and without remorse.

    They won't stop until every last gun owner is utterly destroyed (murdered, or imprisoned). But you can't destroy the moon, or the effects it has on the earth.

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    Army wrote:
    Despite my recent dance with the LAPD, I too will stand down.

    I will still carry while hiking and camping of course, but my daily carry will wait for SCOTUS decisions.

    You must believe that we can not make any more waves. I have been privileged with the "inside scoop" pertaining to the immediate legal ramifications currently being discussed at state levels. The "right people" know the who's and what's of this situation, and fear for our Constitutional rights that face the possibility of sanction.

    For the good of all....hold off on UOC for now. It's a headache we cannot afford at this time.
    If your "inside scoop" was the same "inside scoop" that I got, please re-read my post and take special note of the dates. 2A incorporation won't mean a thing to the PRK's legislators. Besides, a good UOC ambassador never makes waves, he/she just goes about his/her lawful business.
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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Welcome to the forum.Excellent question actually. UOC isn't any big deal at all. But there are those who believe that by doing what is legal you will make it illegal. They call themselves "the right people" and they can be found over at calguns.
    You are willfully overlooking some very important facts on this matter. I have spent a pretty good block of time educating people on all aspects of the OC movement/situation and it seems that a very important part of it has fallen upon either deaf ears or ignorant minds.

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    Army wrote:
    Despite my recent dance with the LAPD, I too will stand down.

    I will still carry while hiking and camping of course, but my daily carry will wait for SCOTUS decisions.

    You must believe that we can not make any more waves. I have been privileged with the "inside scoop" pertaining to the immediate legal ramifications currently being discussed at state levels. The "right people" know the who's and what's of this situation, and fear for our Constitutional rights that face the possibility of sanction.

    For the good of all....hold off on UOC for now. It's a headache we cannot afford at this time.
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    One day when it rained, I didn't OC. I was at the grocery store and the cashier asked me where my gun was.
    That's priceless! I frequent a store and have gotten to know the folks who're they're shortly before closing. They know I often carry, but asked why I don't carry to their store (it's only a block from home), and said my response was weak! They're right.

    I then asked why they don't carry, and they responded, "it's against corporate policy."

    I think part of their concern involves the recent doubling of armed robberies in the Springs area.

    So, from now on, I'll be carrying OC in their store, and will take the time to say hello and shoot the breeze with them as I always do.
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    I agree totally! Gun legislation will never stay quiet.

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    We mustn't lose sight of who the true villains are in this instance: the government.

    LOCers, UOCers, CCWers, LUCCers etc. are not our enemies. The moment we have freedom-loving individuals in our sights is the moment we deserve to lose our rights.

    No groups are to be blamed but those supporting the lawmakers' restricting of our rights, and the lawmakers themselves.

    We have suffered enough destruction of rights; it is time to begin taking them back.

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    Amen.

    This made me write my next post about "standing down."

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    The Calguns Foundation is scared of government... Mmmhm... http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ind...-for-me-lately

    I will tell you what concerns me though. Watching UOCers who aren't fully informed lose their gun rights for 10 years. We California gun owners have 1 already convicted and there is likely to be another. So far open carrying in urban california has only cost an individual his gun rights and all of us another bad gun bill.

    Make sure you know the risks and have the money to burn when you have to defend yourself. The main reason for the standdown was that LOC was going to be available in urban areas by permit, but some open carrier (loaded but out of his licensed county) ended that for everyone.

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    Boo Hoo

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    When these laws are overturned, then they will regain their rights at that point.

    There is never a reason to back down from protest.

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    I can't help but be suspicious that some of the most outspoken "keep on OCing" crowd may be intentionally harming our cause. Not only are they harming the open carry cause, but also creating a rift. Dividing and conquering.

    If I were an anti, this is exactly what I would do:

    • Infiltrate the web forum, posing as a patriot and OC-proponent.
    • Find a point of contention among the group and exploit it to cause infighting.
    • Encourage people to engage in behavior that harms the cause by exploiting their emotions (e.g. strong desire to "live free or die")
    • Belittle, demonize, and otherwise attack the strongest of the group (e.g. CalGuns Foundation).
    I'm not saying anybody who does anything described above is an inflitrator... I give each person the benefit of the doubt that they're just naive and/or stubborn. However, I just wanted to put my hypothesis out there that we need to question the motives of every person voicing their opinions here.
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    hoffmang wrote:
    The Calguns Foundation is scared of government... Mmmhm... http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ind...-for-me-lately

    I will tell you what concerns me though. Watching UOCers who aren't fully informed lose their gun rights for 10 years. We California gun owners have 1 already convicted and there is likely to be another. So far open carrying in urban california has only cost an individual his gun rights and all of us another bad gun bill.

    Make sure you know the risks and have the money to burn when you have to defend yourself. The main reason for the standdown was that LOC was going to be available in urban areas by permit, but some open carrier (loaded but out of his licensed county) ended that for everyone.

    -Gene
    Did I miss something? I don't know of a single "non-fully informed" UOC'er lose their gun rights for 10 years. Yes, Theseus did, but he was fully informed on the PC's.

    Yes, the LOC permit option has died, but as correctly stated, and I re-state for emphasis...this individual was LOC'ing legally by permit. He was not freely unloadedopen carrying as we do. By this event, it seems to me the "CCW crowd" has caused more of a problem for LOC than any UOC'er has.


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