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Right to bear arms, why?

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Hi, im a college student from England, my course is American studies, and i am writing a paper on, Does Americas gun culture show it to be in a state of crisis? Im arguing that IT IS NOT in a state of crisis and that firearm ownership is something that is perfectly normal and should not be misjudged by actions of a few.

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share their views as to why US citizens shoud be allowed to carry weapons or on any other part of the topic, that i could use in the paper.

(any information taken would be refrenced however the author of said opinion decided)

So if you could please help.

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Look to our founding documents, the Declaration of Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
and the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights that enumerates some of these unalienable Rights, including our Second Amendment.

I go armed because I can and because it is a thumb in the eye of those that believe that men are subject to governments.
 

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First off, thanks for responding, i have used the Declaration of Independence and was hoping for peoples individual opinion as to why they should have the right, beyond that it says so in the 2nd ammendment.
 

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Thank you, would you possibley elaberate on your final point, also i assume you own at least one weapon for self-defense, but do you for any other purpose, ie hunting?
 

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Thank you very much, and if anyone else wishes to comment, please do. The more opinions the stronger the argument becomes.
 
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My apologies. I am having difficulties connecting to the site.

I own four firearms, all 'defensive', none for hunting though my shotgun could be used for hunting.

I do not believe in democracy as a good thing. the Founding Fathers of the United States spoke of democracy only in the negative, as a force to be feared. Democracy is the voice of ignorance and lack of leadership.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$ Goddamn the Obamination and its teeth.
 

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Why do I carry weapons?

Thousands of Americans died in many wars so that I can enjoy the rights guaranteed by our founding fathers with the second amendment.

The police are not responsible for my safety, I am.

The police are not responsible for my family's safety, I am.

The police are not responsible for the sanctity of my home, I am.

If you have any questions on these statements, please let me know.
 

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This is off topic somewhat, but if u disagree with Democracy, what are you in favour of? im not passing a judgement on your ideals, just quite interested.
 

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If you want a great background on our Second Amendment you need to read this book.

THE FOUNDERS’ SECOND AMENDMENT
Origins of the Right to Bear Arms
By Stephen P. Halbrook

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You can read the highlights here: http://www.independent.org/publications/books/book_summary.asp?bookID=72
 

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Im arguing that most Americans that own guns do so for legal, logical reasons and personally i totally agree with your view.
 
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Britstudent wrote:
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This is off topic somewhat, but if u disagree with Democracy, what are you in favour of? im not passing a judgement on your ideals, just quite interested.
You capitalized "Democracy", why? What are the demos? Have you read any fundamental classical humanities?

How many '-ocracies' can you write of knowledgeably? I am in favor of meritocracy and republicanism and limited democratic enfranchisement. We could discuss military enfranchisement.
 

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There was nothing ment by the capital letter, coud you futher explain

"I am in favor of meritocracy and republicanism and limited democratic enfranchisement."

but in simple terms as i know little about politics. Sorry to seem awkward, but this is something that was never really covered in my compulsory education.
 

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If anyone else wishes to put foreward an opinion please do, your thoughts are incredably usefull
 

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So, youre a student writing a paper. Hmmm. I guess that you are not a troll, so it seems that coming to our forum to ask the questions you need was a very perceptive move. Nice, you should do well.

Well, there are a few reasons for the right to both keep and to bear arms. we try first to learn the lessons from our history, and that of others, in that true freedom can only be had by those equipped to maintain it, or for those who are armed, so that if absolutely necessary, they can fight to get it back. God forbid. In the history of others, registration of guns has always led to the confiscation of those arms, and in many cases, genocide and/or dictatorships have been the result.

We have a proud history in this country of being able to own and carry weapons for the protection of ourselves, others, and our families. We started from nothing, needing to hunt for food. We had to run from, and fight with a tyrranical government, and at the same time, we stole this country from native americans, which of course put us into the position of needing to protect ourselves from the natives. Yes, this was wrong, but it happened. Gun control began as a result of the americans wishing to oppress theblacks they enslaved, but that is another story.

After having well established this nation, we had an established populous of armed citizens, this presented several advantages. First, it would be very difficult, even today, for anyones army (even our own), to invade and conquer this nation. Another advantage in this is that individuals and their families can protect themselves from animal attacks, including pack animals. we can also protect ourselves from animals of the human sort, who sometimes roam in packs as well. We can therefore to an extent, police ourselves untill the powers that be can be brought to bear.

We can secure ourselves, both at home, and while we are about, from people, and wildlife that can do us harm. We do not have to rely on the police or anyone else for our safety, security, and in many cases our lives. There will always be criminals, they will always be armed. There is no way around it. If the guns were majically removed from any country, the criminals will either get them from another country, from the military and police (like in Mexico), or they will manufacture their own.

Banning citizen ownership can only leave the law abiding citizen at a disadvantage against criminals, and at the same time it puts the citizen in grave peril from opressive governments, present and future, foreign, and domestic. An otherwise law abidingcitizen protecting themselves from an armed criminal under such laws is made into a criminal himself, and will be destroyed by the legal system which is designed to protect him.

I carry a gun all day every day everywhere I go, even in my own home. When I am out and about, I do not fear an attack, be it from animal, or man. I am not arrogant, nor am I beligerant. I carry a gun because I realise that I am not invincible. I carry because I value my life, freedom and history. I carry because the people who dont are vulnerable, but no less valuable. I carry because it should be the criminals place to fear my neighborhood, I should not fear his. This is my country, there should be no bad areas in which I am afraid to go. I carry a gun because If someone tried to kidnap or harm my family, and all I could do is watch them helplessly, then I could not live with myself. It is my responsibility to my family, a duty to my country, and a commandment from God.

Immediately before Jesus Christ was taken to be crucified, He gave His disciples a few instructions for them to follow until His return, among these, was a command that they should bear two swords. This command was such that He told them if they couldnt afford a weapon, they should sell even their clothes if necessary to get the money to buy one. A sword was the most deadly weapon of His day that could be carried, and it was not only unusual, but foolish to be without it. There is no doubt whatsoever that if Christ were to have lived among us in our time, the weapons mensioned in this passage would be firearms, the most deadly weapons carried in our day. See Luke 22:36-38.

The right to keep (to own) and to bear (to carry) weapons is a pre existing God given right, that has been supported (not given) by our foundational documents.

Did those who were killed in the holocaust have a right to live? Of course! Their government denied this pre-existing right to live. The same can be said for the right to keep and bear arms. The government can deny this right to someone, but they can not claim to be able to take it away because they gave it to them, as they certainly did not give it to them. The right was there already, the Bill of Rights only reaffirmed this right. And similarly it is written again here: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are" from the Declaration of Independence.

"That among these" would indicate also, that even without the second amendment, these rights, among others,should be protected.

Good luck to you sir.
 

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Britstudent wrote:
Hi, im a college student from England, my course is American studies, and i am writing a paper on, Does Americas gun culture show it to be in a state of crisis? Im arguing that IT IS NOT in a state of crisis and that firearm ownership is something that is perfectly normal and should not be misjudged by actions of a few.

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share their views as to why US citizens shoud be allowed to carry weapons or on any other part of the topic, that i could use in the paper.

(any information taken would be refrenced however the author of said opinion decided)

So if you could please help.

Rob

Rob,

I'd like to take a shot (pun intended) at your question. First, US citizens are not allowed to carry weapons. We have a right to carry weapons that predates the existence of our government. Our constitution is a list that contains the things that we (as citizens) allow our federal government to do, and more importantly, the restictions that the individual states and citizens place on the government.

Unfortunately, the government has overstepped the authority that it was given, and for the most part is the cause of any crisis that we may be having at this particular time. The founding fathers anticipated this, and one of the purposes of the second amendment is to make sure that we can retake control from a runaway government should the need arise.

A democracy is basically mob rule. We are a republic, where even the minority is represented.

There is and always has been a delicate balance between the individual states and the central government. This came to the surface in our "war between the states" which is now generally though of in thems of slavery. Since the winners get to write history, that is how this conflict is remembered by most. If you dig a little deeper, you find that the root of the issue was more about power relating to the states vs. the federal government.

As citizens, we tend to get distracted and lazy, and allow our governments to get bigger than they need to be. So our current crisis is not so much about the right to bear arms, but is more about our local, state, and national governments getting bigger than intended. This causes them to spend money that they do not have. Why work when the government will take care of all of your needs?

Our voting process is the first method of keeping our governments under control. Unfortunately,with the "bread and circuses" approach, the government is buyingvotes at the expense of our children and grandchildren. The 1st amendment allowing free speach among other things is the second line of defense. The 2nd amendment provides a last-resort option.

Part of what you seen in the news is the result of our governments attempting to infringe on the right to bear arms. The vast majority of the mass shootings that you hear about are happening in "gun free zones" - places where the government has violated the rights of the citizens and banned firearms. Naturally, the criminals do not care about laws that or constitutionally legal or not, so in these cases they have the guns and the victims have been disarmed.

Rather than having citizen representatives as was intended, our governments are now populated with career politicians who only want to remain in office.

Once the majority of the citizens get tired of the excesses of these politicians, we will change things.Due to the number of viewpoints, I don't see things ever being calm. I expect us toalways besomewhere between a simmer and a rolling boil.

It is getting late, I'm tired, and I'm just writing what comes into my head.

Danny
 
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