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    Had a great time at Lobby Day. Everything seemed to go okay. I had a very nice and thoughtful Capitol Police officer ask me about "locked and cocked" status of my pistol. I was surprised at how many people didn't realize they could carry in the GA.

    Didn't really hear a whole lot of new buzz from the anti's. All in all not bad.


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    Times dispatch reports 1000 attendees!

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/ne...121003/318434/

    A pro-gun, pro-states rights rally at the state Capitol this morning drew roughly 1,000 people who were encouraged afterward to file into the General Assembly Building to lobby their legislators.

    They are among several groups lobbying state lawmakers today, including mental-health and public safety advocates and the anti-tax group Americans for Prosperity.

    The rally crowd is interested in two bills in particular. House Bill 10 "protects an individual's right and power to participate, or to decline to participate, in a health-care system or plan."

    House Bill 69 says firearms and ammunition made in Virginia and retained here are not subject to federal law or regulation under the authority of Congress to regulate interstate commerce.

    "I support freedom," said Harry Holt, a Midlothian resident, who was handing out stickers. "I think the federal government is overreaching their power too quickly and too pervasively."

    Del. Charles W. Carrico Sr., R-Grayson, stood before the crowd and recited the words of Patrick Henry, echoing sentiments written on several signs: the states have rights.

    "Are we going to be free men or are we going to be slaves to the federal government of the United States?" he asked.
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    Felt it went well. Great speakers, relevant topics, no drivel. And beautiful weather. might post youtube videos of the crowd if i get around to it.

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    I thought it went well, especially for my first one, and I OC'd inside and outside the GA building. the cops were nice and helpfull, and the speakers were on point.

    The only down side I saw, were the guys in BDU's, I think that kind of stuff is inappropriate for a peaceful and lawful rally. I'm sure they were nice people, it just seems rather hobbyish than serious,IMO.

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    Would have been nice if all the local news crews were there when our speakers were up. Only one news crew was there for our speakers, and the others showed up for the anti's speal, three at least!

    Had a good breakfast at the River City diner before hand. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/36557.html





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    Pagan wrote:
    The only down side I saw, were the guys in BDU's, I think that kind of stuff is inappropriate for a peaceful and lawful rally. I'm sure they were nice people, it just seems rather hobbyish than serious,IMO.
    Thanks, I thought I was the only one who thought that. It's just one more thing for the media to focus on that paints our movement in a bad light. I talked to one of them and he seemed like a decent fellow. But a 10 second video byte on the local news would give anyone who wasn't at the rally the wrong impression if the militia guys were all they showed.

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    Great Speakers!

    Great Weather!

    Great Turnout!

    Got to talk to a few legislators and a few aides.

    Got the old "I'll make sure he/she sees this" 2 minute meeting as well.

    I think we did a little educating and letting people know we are just every day people looking to preserve our rights to protect ourselves.

    If anything we were TOO orgnaized. Gone were the chaotic scramble as VCDL members wandered floor to floor.

    If you have neverdone it before youreally need to go. If you feel passionate about someting call your rep up and set an appointment andgo. Shake their hand, get to know each other, look them in the eye and let him or her know how YOU think.

    They serveYOU and if they don't know what you think then someone else will influence them.

    Even speaking with the otherside it is good to let them know where you stand, you never know when a thought will crystalize and someone will have a eureka moment!!

    I guarantee it will never happen if you don't make the effort!



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    This was my first lobby day (and my first post).

    Ijust wanted to share something that I saw.

    Asmall group was coming into capitol square just before things

    got started this morning. I noticed they were wearing stickers

    that said close the gun show loophole.

    the first guy turned to the others in the group and

    said "looks like we are out numbered again"



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    I saw them also, but then they disappeared, or hid somewhere. The cops mingled well into the crowd during the speaches I noticed also...

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    Pagan wrote:
    I saw them also, but then they disappeared, or hid somewhere. The cops mingled well into the crowd during the speaches I noticed also...
    The BDU cops were Richmond City and really didn't have any need to be there.

    The CP's were on their good behavior and they mingle more to keep the anti's out than keep an eye on us. They did the same with their sad little rally.

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    peter nap wrote:
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    *I saw them also, but then they disappeared, or hid somewhere. The cops mingled well into the crowd during the speaches I noticed also...
    The BDU cops were Richmond City and really didn't have any need to be there.

    The CP's were on their good behavior and they mingle more to keep the anti's out than keep an eye on us. They did the same with their sad little rally.
    speaking of which, did anyone get pics or have info on what exactly was said or done at their rally? Who spoke, and on what? Just wondering.

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    Infidel wrote:
    Would have been nice if all the local news crews were there when our speakers were up. Only one news crew was there for our speakers, and the others showed up for the anti's speal, three at least!




    If three news crews showed up for the antis rally, that just about doubled the antis numbers!!!

    I have never seen such a puny, limp, dispirited group in my life. About 30 of them were milling around, half-listening to some dude strumming the guitar, singing his song about the evils of the world or some such drivel. I think Phil had the right idea telling us not to mingle, or it would have looked as though their rally had some "electricity", when in fact it was a dead battery!

    Wait 'til you see the photos of our crowd taken from the podium. WOOOOO-eeee!

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    I took a few pictures for a lady, that could not see above the crowd. I used her phone and just held it up panning over the crowd, there were many many of us!

    I must have missed the BDU cops, I only saw some rally goers with BDU's.

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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    snip I think Phil had the right idea telling us not to mingle
    Diddo, especially since they have copied our orange stickers and put their own logo on it.

    Nakedshoplifter (OCDO member) had a good idea. We should lay people down like their "lie in" and as we tell stories of how guns saved lives they should get up.
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    Had a great time.

    Here are a couple crowd shots (after the tea party crowd dissipated a bit), more to come, but will be tomorrow probably. Going out for our anniversary tonight.




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    I had a great time. Had some really good discussions with some Delegates. Got about 35seconds face time with my Delegate 1 on 1.

    Sorry I didn't make breakfast! There were so many people I couldn't find anyone I knew from the tidewater/richmond dinners. Can't believe I couldn't find Grapeshot. Saw Mike, PVC, a few other high-profiles.

    I was busy talking to Delegates so I missed the rally. I hope the video gets posted ASAP.

    I'd like to get some counts for pro's vs. anti's. I know the ratio was pathetic. Personally I witnessed 5 Anti's. 3 of them were dressed in ghetto-garb. I asked the other two, very politely, if they could explain the Gun Show Loophole to me. Both of them refused to look in my direction, wouldn't respond, and walked away quickly when addressed. Oddly enough these are some clues to look for when profiling criminal behavior.
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    bnkrazy wrote:
    Had a great time.

    Here are a couple crowd shots (after the tea party crowd dissipated a bit), more to come, but will be tomorrow probably. Going out for our anniversary tonight.



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    My wife & I parked on 14th street (at a meter), across from the Monroe Building, and waled up te stairs (of the pedestrian bridge) to Old 14th St, and wended our way up to the assembly area in front of the GAB. We only encountered a few Capitol Police, one of whom I asked about parking at the meters (they were in a 2 hr zone).

    We alsosaw several BDU-clad police officers among the crowd during the 11:00 - 12:30 rallys, but the real surprise came when we left the rally area to head back to our car about 2:00pm. We strolled down the walkway in Capitol Square toward the Governor's Mansion, and out to Governors St. About 50 VSP Troopers with riot gear (shields, masks, etc)had beenassembled there, and were heading back to their cars, which were parked along Governors St, Garage St, Franklin St., etc. None of these cars or personnel were present when we arrived in the morning (8:30 am). We walked among them as they were leaving, but didn't speak. I'm sure they saw that I was armed, but none seemed to notice.

    Perhaps they didn't expect security problems, but they were prepared.

    Other than that, we had a fulfilling day (well, except for finding out that my delegate was a patron of a bill to ban guns in the Newport News libraries, and who also thinks thatCastle Doctrine billwould very difficult because the burden of proof is significantly less in a civil trial than it is in a criminal one). Yes, SIAL.:X
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    Wow, do I stand out in those pics!

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    longwatch wrote:
    Wow, do I stand out in those pics!
    You're the guy with the orange sticker, right?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    2a4all wrote:
    SNIP:About 50 VSP Troopers with riot gear (shields, masks, etc)had beenassembled there, and were heading back to their cars, which were parked along Governors St, Garage St, Franklin St., etc. None of these cars or personnel were present when we arrived in the morning (8:30 am).
    :what:What?

    Any way someone could do a freedom of information to figure out why they were there?
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    T Dubya wrote:
    2a4all wrote:
    SNIP:About 50 VSP Troopers with riot gear (shields, masks, etc)had beenassembled there, and were heading back to their cars, which were parked along Governors St, Garage St, Franklin St., etc. None of these cars or personnel were present when we arrived in the morning (8:30 am).
    :what:What?

    Any way someone could do a freedom of information to figure out why they were there?
    Word it very carefully to avoid being denied on the grounds that it would reveal security plans.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    peter nap wrote:
    Pagan wrote:
    I saw them also, but then they disappeared, or hid somewhere. The cops mingled well into the crowd during the speaches I noticed also...
    The BDU cops were Richmond City and really didn't have any need to be there.
    I think the guy might have been referring to the Virginia Citizens Militia Group.

    If he's talking about the guys in DIGIcamo about halfway between the tower and the Poe Statue, they were VCM.

    I got banned from their Yahoo Group for being too Constitutionally-minded. None of them could ever give me a straight answer when I asked them what their solution would be when the federal government decided not to listen.

    Great day. Learned a lot and had a good time listening to speakers, especially the ones who want to see our sovereignty restored. OR ELSE. No more of this panty-waist asking for more permission or begging... LAST CHANCE SALOON.
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    T Dubya wrote:
    2a4all wrote:
    SNIP:About 50 VSP Troopers with riot gear (shields, masks, etc)had beenassembled there, and were heading back to their cars, which were parked along Governors St, Garage St, Franklin St., etc. None of these cars or personnel were present when we arrived in the morning (8:30 am).
    :what:What?

    Any way someone could do a freedom of information to figure out why they were there?
    Sure. Just think about it. If we decided to go mob crazy, do you think 50 cops in riot gear would have been effective?? 50 batons vs 1,000 guns? Puhleez. We are historically very well behaved, organized, and disciplined. The anti's on the other hand.... Well, might need 50 VSP with riot gear cause they tend to get out of hand. They were spotted leaving at 2pm, just after the Anti's rally ended.

    If they were worried about us, they would of had numerous SWAT style units walking back to their vehicles.
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    Had a great time as well. Ate lunch with 10mm after that and before the Anti's were up. I see 10mm there too lol.

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