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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34925323...ws-weird_news/

    updated 5:55 p.m. ET, Mon., Jan. 18, 2010

    ROSEVILLE, Calif. - A driver whose SUV plunged into a Northern California creek after he was startled by his hands-free cell phone device escaped the sinking vehicle by blasting out the window with a handgun.

    The 28-year-old man, whose name wasn't immediately available, is an armed security guard at Thunder Valley Casino, north of Sacramento. He sustained minor injuries in Sunday's accident.

    A spokesman for the Roseville Fire Department said the man was traveling northbound on Industrial Avenue in Roseville when the cell phone device activated. The driver was startled and veered off the road through the guardrail. The SUV landed in Pleasant Grove Creek.

    He used his gun to shoot himself out, then flagged down a passerby.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    maybe i'm missing something, but if this guy was actually startled enough by his cell phone to cause him to drive off the road, i hate to say it, but maybe he shouldn't be carrying. of course, i think it's much more likely that he was trying to do something with his cell, like use gps or send a text.

    back to the main point of the post, i suppose that's one use for a firearm, although he probably would have had just as much luck using his handgun as a hammer to break the window.

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    Captain_Awesome wrote:
    maybe i'm missing something, but if this guy was actually startled enough by his cell phone to cause him to drive off the road, i hate to say it, but maybe he shouldn't be carrying. of course, i think it's much more likely that he was trying to do something with his cell, like use gps or send a text.

    back to the main point of the post, i suppose that's one use for a firearm, although he probably would have had just as much luck using his handgun as a hammer to break the window.
    Where is the fun in that??

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    Too much water pressure against the safety glass to guarantee being able to crack it. Couldn't roll down a side window a little?

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    Captain_Awesome wrote:
    i suppose that's one use for a firearm, although he probably would have had just as much luck using his handgun as a hammer to break the window.
    There is anecdotal evidence that using a firearm as a hammer on anything, is not a good idea. I would probably discharge the firearm as the fellow in the story did, under similar circumstances, though you wouldnt see me startled to the point of losing control of a moving vehicle by a cellphone.
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    Statkowski wrote:
    Too much water pressure against the safety glass to guarantee being able to crack it. Couldn't roll down a side window a little?
    On the television myth-busters did an issue about a car underwater and showed that unless the pressure was equalized that you cannot roll down the window even if half of the window is exposed. It was enlightening. I had always wondered about that, the surprising thing was that manually you cannot roll the window down but the electric windows could roll down.

    I don't think he should be driving if a cell phone can startle him to the extent that he 'ditches' his car.
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    I hope he doesn't lose any frequencies he's going to miss. :?

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    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    marshaul wrote:
    I hope he doesn't lose any frequencies he's going to miss. :?
    Definitely going to be some loss of hearing. I would never want to be in a situation where I had to discharge a firearm in an enclosed vehicle.

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    There is anecdotal evidence that using a firearm as a hammer on anything, is not a good idea. I would probably discharge the firearm as the fellow in the story did, under similar circumstances, though you wouldnt see me startled to the point of losing control of a moving vehicle by a cellphone.
    That may be, but I trust myself - at least in this situation - to completely empty all the cartridges from the gun before using it as a hammer. I would at least try that before discharging it in a car and blowing out my eardrums. Obviously, when it's not necessary, using a firearm as a hammer is a bad idea, but given the circumstances, I think it would be worth the risk.

    On the television myth-busters did an issue about a car underwater and showed that unless the pressure was equalized that you cannot roll down the window even if half of the window is exposed. It was enlightening. I had always wondered about that, the surprising thing was that manually you cannot roll the window down but the electric windows could roll down.
    While I haven't seen that particular episode of mythbusters, I would caution against trusting your life or well-being to them in any way. Many of their tests tend to be unscientific, and they very often ignore variables which could alter their results significantly. That being said, I enjoy the show quite a bit, and I like that they at least try.

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    Hey, at least he didn't shoot the seatbelt off in the process... :celebrate
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    Hey, at least he didn't shoot the seatbelt off in the process... :celebrate
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

    excerpt By Marko Kloos (http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/?s=major+caudill)

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    nuc65 wrote:
    Hey, at least he didn't shoot the seatbelt off in the process... :celebrate
    If he positioned the gun properly before firing, he could probably have used the edge of the slide to tear through part of the seatbelt...:shock:

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    Captain_Awesome wrote:
    While I haven't seen that particular episode of mythbusters, I would caution against trusting your life or well-being to them in any way. Many of their tests tend to be unscientific, and they very often ignore variables which could alter their results significantly. That being said, I enjoy the show quite a bit, and I like that they at least try.
    Their admonishment "Please, don't try anything you're about to see us do at home. Ever!" should cover it.

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    I wouldn't do what the mythbusters do only because they lack common sense in many of their episodes, but hey between them blowing stuff up and lock and load I'm fully entertained.

    Maybe the guy who shot his way out of the SUV was happy because he finally had an excuse to shoot something... :?
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    I wouldn't do what the mythbusters do only because they lack common sense in many of their episodes, but hey between them blowing stuff up and lock and load I'm fully entertained.

    Maybe the guy who shot his way out of the SUV was happy because he finally had an excuse to shoot something... :?
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

    excerpt By Marko Kloos (http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/?s=major+caudill)

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    Captain_Awesome wrote:
    maybe i'm missing something, but if this guy was actually startled enough by his cell phone to cause him to drive off the road, i hate to say it, but maybe he shouldn't be carrying. of course, i think it's much more likely that he was trying to do something with his cell, like use gps or send a text.

    back to the main point of the post, i suppose that's one use for a firearm, although he probably would have had just as much luck using his handgun as a hammer to break the window.
    His hands-free was probably through the radio, and the volume was up really high from when he was listening to music last.
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    MudCamper wrote:
    I keep a Res-Q-Me or a Life Hammer in each of my vehicles.

    Locked in the glove box?
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    vt800c wrote:
    MudCamper wrote:
    I keep a Res-Q-Me or a Life Hammer in each of my vehicles.

    Locked in the glove box?
    The res-q-me goes on your key chain. It has a spring tensioned punch to break glass (and the cutter). You mount the Life Hammer mount with double-sided tape or velcro.


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