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    Thanks. Either we are equal or we are not.

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    I agree! Either we are free or not!

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    Tell that to the highly anti-gun Black Caucus and the other black "leadership." What fools they are...striving to keep guns from THEIR OWN PEOPLE, let alone the rest of us.

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    This is great stuff and I appreciate it being posted.

    I sent a letter to Mel Watt asking him not to support HR 2324 which is a bill in Congress that will place restrictions on private gun sales at gun shows. I mentioned that some of the gun laws here in North Carolina are based off of racist policies of the past. Similar to issues in California and many other places I'm sure.

    As a black male in his mid-20's, all of this hits close to home.

    The some of the black leaders that claim to represent all blacks in the United States are misinformed or their intentions are of their own agendas and not in the best interest of all people in the United States.

    Amazing History in there. Thanks.

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    I don't think there are enough "rock the boat" blacks who don't follow liberal, Democrat lines. Consequently, I don't think this TINY minorityare seen as any threat to the "leadership" whatsoever...so I doubt they'd listen to any black writing or calling them who are (1) Republicans (or Libertarians/Independents), or (2) who are REALLY different -- like James Manning -- as THOSE individuals would be written off as radicals/nut jobs or even traitors (for example,listen toManning's"The White Rodney King" video clip on YouTube...I'm sureHARDLY ANY (none, more likely) blacks give any creedence to Manning's views, even if Manning HIMSELF really believes what he says (I'm not sure he honestly does).

    The point is, if 90% of blacks toe the liberal/Democrat line (orat the very least condone that agenda and vote accordingly) then why would the 10% minority (guessing at percentages here) of blacks who do NOT toe said linebe of any interest to black leadersip/politicians? Why would said leadership CARE whatsuch a minoritythinks? On top of that, the majority of blacks who DO toe the line would reject said minority of "different" blacks and ostracize them asUncle Toms (so don't tell me race doesn't matter -- it SHOULDN'T, but it DOES).

    In short, blacks who don't follow the herd -- be a Yellow Dog Democrat, believe everything "celebrities" like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and Quannel X preach -- have a tough row to hoe (Farrakhan is another story).

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    I don't think there are enough "rock the boat" blacks who don't follow liberal, Democrat lines. Consequently, I don't think this TINY minorityare seen as any threat to the "leadership" whatsoever...so I doubt they'd listen to any black writing or calling them who are (1) Republicans (or Libertarians/Independents), or (2) who are REALLY different -- like James Manning -- as THOSE individuals would be written off as radicals/nut jobs or even traitors (for example,listen toManning's"The White Rodney King" video clip on YouTube...I'm sureHARDLY ANY (none, more likely) blacks give any creedence to Manning's views, even if Manning HIMSELF really believes what he says (I'm not sure he honestly does).

    The point is, if 90% of blacks toe the liberal/Democrat line (orat the very least condone that agenda and vote accordingly) then why would the 10% minority (guessing at percentages here) of blacks who do NOT toe said linebe of any interest to black leadersip/politicians? Why would said leadership CARE whatsuch a minoritythinks? On top of that, the majority of blacks who DO toe the line would reject said minority of "different" blacks and ostracize them asUncle Toms (so don't tell me race doesn't matter -- it SHOULDN'T, but it DOES).

    In short, blacks who don't follow the herd -- be a Yellow Dog Democrat, believe everything "celebrities" like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and Quannel X preach -- have a tough row to hoe (Farrakhan is another story).

    -- John D.
    I would like to see where you got that 90% of blacks are liberal/democratic, I don't buy that. I would expect it to be closer to 80% across the board and that is a significant difference that can not be ignored. Honestly, with liberal, that may be closer to 60 percent. Liberal is a powerful thing and you may be missing that many blacks republican or democratic have moderate and conservative viewpoints and lifestyles. I admit, I could be wrong.

    I don't believe everything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton says, but at the same time, who does anyone listen to and believe 100% of the time (short of a weak minded simpleton). None of us here are like that, I hope. I will be honest and note that I have respect for Jessie Jackson for various reasons, however, in the end he is still a politician and while in that arena he receives the same scrutiny as any other.I follow different ideological herds. I know where I stand on issues and while I do associate with one political party for the purpose of taking part in primaries, my voting history record looks like a battlefield. I make calculated decisions, cut my losses, and make of with the winnings.

    Political party affiliations are relative to the socio-economic issues at hand. There is a reason why there was a shift in the 1930's (and on) of blacks to the Democratic party, which in the past, such as duringReconstruction, was hostile towards black-progressivism.

    As forthose ostracizingor calling each other Uncle Toms and other names, eh, that'smostlypoppycock and yes it does happen, but you have two groups of people that do this white or black: Those that are in the political scene and look to galvonize a certain group through shock, awe, and sensationalism and those that are not in the political scene and believe they know what they are talking about but do not. Most of the people in between (which are the ones that MOSTLY count) do not behave like this.

    And yes, Farrakahn is another story, I am black and know only a few members/supports of the the Nation of Islam. I see them sometimes on the corners selling or handing out their papers, no thanks, not interested, and I especially don't like the bow-tie.

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    To be honest here, all my black friends in Delaware were Dems. and these guys and gals were true friends.. That said, my black aquaintances in Missouri are of the same political affiliation, but there's a different frame of mind when it comes to doing better for ones self, and building your own future with my friends, compared to my aquaintances. Some of my friends in Delaware were knocking back $70K to $140K working two jobs and still had time to have fun Hunting and Fishing, some of my aquaintances here in Missouri barely keep the job they have, and are always bitching that this country still owes them something, One dude even looked me in the eyes and told me my family still owes his family for reparations. My reply to him was is he's waiting around for hand outs, then he needs to be in the frame of mind that scraps is all his family is worth, because there ain't nothing free in this world worth having..

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    Well, I believe Alex Jones is a moonbat but occasionally he drops a nugget of wisdom. Thanks for sharing.





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    Those videos weren't posted or produce by Alex Jones--he just supplied the links.

    This video (and many other fine vids and printed materials) was produced by JPFO (Jews for the protection of Firearms), a very outspoken gun-rights group that aligns gun rights with racial issues. They have a VERY strong position-I mean if ANY racial group has learned a hard lesson about where gun control can lead, it's the Jewish People...

    http://www.jpfo.org/

    Personally I'm not a big fan of folks who throw their religious beliefs in the "political blender" with the Constitution, but JPFO has a lot of VERY well-produced materials...
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    I watch videos like the ones posted, I read threads like this, but almost every time I see or hear people preaching that "all guns should be confiscated, and nobody should be allowed toposess gunsexcept activemilitary and police". It is mostly blackcommunity leaderssaying this?

    I just dont get it!!

    Lets use the City of Milwaukee as an example, the most outspoken politicians who arecalling for tighter gun control, moregun restrictions, morelossof rights, and all other sorts of unconstitutional laws and ordinances that simply equal more losses of liberty for everyone, are lead by mostly the black politicians.

    How can there be such a huge disconnection between these politicians and the people that voted them into that office?
    Are the majority oftheir constituents voting them into office just because of their skin color with no regards as to their views or beliefs on key subjects?

    Now lets look a little farther south, lets take a look at Chicago. how many years has it been named one ofthe most violent city in the country? The US post office has quit delivering to several neighborhoods without having an armedpolice escort. yet all the black comunity leaders are rallying for disarming everyone by hosting gun buy-back programs and other ways to disarm the citizens.

    Then lets take a look at Detroit, Where do I even start with that city? Pretty much the same thing that is happeing in Chicago, all the black community leaders want to disarm everyone but the police. WHY??

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    Washington DC is another case-in-point...

    The "leadership" of DC has been traditionally black, and traditionally virulently anti-gun. When will they learn?

    The DC gun ban was put in place by Marion Barry the first time he was mayor.

    The current Mayor, Adrian Fenty, is perhaps even more rabidly anti-gun than Bloomberg, but he's not nearly as much of a threat to the 2A because he's nowhere near as wealthy...

    And the DC "representative" Eleanor Holmes Norton is even worse than those two. Remember right after Heller when she (and Fenty) said that decision would turn DC into a "wild west shootout over parking spots" and there would be blood in the streets?

    Funny thing that. Homicides are down almost 30% in DC since Heller...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionŚand this is hogwash."
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    Nutczak wrote:
    I watch videos like the ones posted, I read threads like this, but almost every time I see or hear people preaching that "all guns should be confiscated, and nobody should be allowed toposess gunsexcept activemilitary and police". It is mostly blackcommunity leaderssaying this?

    I just dont get it!!

    Lets use the City of Milwaukee as an example, the most outspoken politicians who arecalling for tighter gun control, moregun restrictions, morelossof rights, and all other sorts of unconstitutional laws and ordinances that simply equal more losses of liberty for everyone, are lead by mostly the black politicians.

    How can there be such a huge disconnection between these politicians and the people that voted them into that office?
    Are the majority oftheir constituents voting them into office just because of their skin color with no regards as to their views or beliefs on key subjects?

    Now lets look a little farther south, lets take a look at Chicago. how many years has it been named one ofthe most violent city in the country? The US post office has quit delivering to several neighborhoods without having an armedpolice escort. yet all the black comunity leaders are rallying for disarming everyone by hosting gun buy-back programs and other ways to disarm the citizens.

    Then lets take a look at Detroit, Where do I even start with that city? Pretty much the same thing that is happeing in Chicago, all the black community leaders want to disarm everyone but the police. WHY??

    You may be right. I believe that sometimes, black leaders calling for guns to be taken off the street gets misconstrued as "all guns except military and police." Most of the time, I believe they are saying out of the hands of people that wish to do harm or do not know what they want to do with their guns. I can't really remember to many black leaders specifically looking to take guns out of EVERYONE's hands but definitely in general fromthe hands of gangbangers, drug dealers, thieves, and murderers. They present or support legislation to do this but short of a total elimination. I do not agree with their philosophy. I am sure some have called for total confiscation, I just haven't quite seen that. And Washington DC may be one of several exceptions when it comes to Marion Berry and other like folk.

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    If you got some time to play with google,take a look ata bill that has been introduced recently in Wisconsin that would make it a felony if you failed to report a lost or stolen fiream within 48 hours of it's theft or misplacement.

    Story here http://www.examiner.com/x-5103-Wisco...-for-Wisconsin
    "Back door gun registration is being proposed for Wisconsin by Senators Coggs, Taylor and Lassa; Representatives Richards, Staskunas, Turner, Young, Sinicki, Berceau, Colon, Grigsby, Fields, Pasch, Kessler, Zepnick and Toles."
    now google those senators and representatives that authored and are backing this bill, and tell me what you see.

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    Nutczak wrote:
    If you got some time to play with google,┬*take a look at┬*a bill that has been introduced recently in Wisconsin that would make it a felony if you failed to report a lost or stolen fiream within 48 hours of it's theft or misplacement.

    Story here http://www.examiner.com/x-5103-Wisco...-for-Wisconsin
    "Back door gun registration is being proposed for Wisconsin by Senators Coggs, Taylor and Lassa; Representatives Richards, Staskunas, Turner, Young, Sinicki, Berceau, Colon, Grigsby, Fields, Pasch, Kessler, Zepnick and Toles."
    now google those senators and representatives that authored and are backing this bill, and tell me what you see.
    I see 1 white senator and 7 white representatives (8).
    I see 2 black senators and 5 black representatives (7).
    I see 1 hispanic representative (1).

    I hope I got that count right.

    It is a crap law and I hope it fails.

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    "Are the majority oftheir constituents voting them into office just because of their skin color with no regards as to their views or beliefs on key subjects?" -- Nutczak


    "You are correct Sir!" (as Johnny Carson's sidekick Ed McMahon often quipped)

    ...especially if the people running are of different races. But really, how many average people -- of ANY color -- really know jack aboutANYTHING anyway, let alone care about something important like where a politician REALLY stands? The shallow, fickle general public is mostlyairhead and moreswayed by the trivial -- howa candidatelooks or speaks, even when they are merely pandering to fools (i.e., their ignorant voters) -- than substance.

    As I said, you can't fix that.

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    "Are the majority of┬*their constituents voting them into office just because of their skin color with no regards as to their views or beliefs on key subjects?" -- Nutczak


    "You are correct Sir!" (as Johnny Carson's sidekick Ed McMahon often quipped)

    ...especially if the people running are of different races. But really, how many average people -- of ANY color -- really know jack about┬*ANYTHING anyway, let alone care about something important like where a politician REALLY stands? The shallow, fickle general public is mostly┬*airhead and more┬*swayed by the trivial -- how┬*a candidate┬*looks or speaks, even when they are merely pandering to fools (i.e., their ignorant voters) -- than substance.

    As I said, you can't fix that.

    -- John D.
    You are certainly correct there, Cloudcroft. It is an unfortunate predicament that politics in this nation suffers from. People think a lack of voters turning out is bad? Well it is, but also the large number of ignorant ones that go out to vote. Some vote across their party line just to do it (they pick the democratic or republican ticket which speeds up their exit from the polls). And I don't mean to pick on Independents, but I used to be one, the primaries are important if this system chooses to use them and people need to participate in them. I call foul on that attitude. I take a close look at the people I can, locally, state, and nationally. I get as much information as possible and I use reference sheets sparingly as I prefer finding things out about those running for office on my own terms and not what someone enumerated for me on a sheet of paper.

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    Wow.

    The 68 gun control act followed the 60's race riots, and was copied almost verbatim from the '38 Nazi gun control laws.

    Wow.
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    since9 wrote:
    Wow.┬*

    The 68 gun control act followed the 60's race riots, and was copied almost verbatim from the '38 Nazi gun control laws.

    Wow.
    Why be original when you can plagiarize?

    The laws were definitely Nazi/socialist but they worked well for their intended audience in Germany. Not so well in the "land of the free."
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    Great video I book marked this and the other thread on how armed citizens fought against corrupt politics and the KKK. I think I am going to put them on DVD for a personal documentary or to share with those who feel, its just white, militant, camouflage, redneck types who like or need guns.

    The majority of folk I know black or white or native are actually fairly libertarian in their viewpoints they just don't realize it. Too much T.V. news and propaganda.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Another interesting bit of trivia about the '68 Gun Control Act was that Charlton Heston (yes, the ex pres of the NRA) was a very vocal PROPONENT of it, and circulated numerous supporting letters and did magazine interviews supporting it...

    http://www.gunownersalliance.com/moses-1.htm

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