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    Guns will be a hot topic in the Virginia General Assembly. One proposed bill would roll back the state's one-handgun-per-month purchase. What do you think?

    http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2010/01/...ew-session.php

    Currently 95% favor repeal.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Guns will be a hot topic in the Virginia General Assembly. One proposed bill would roll back the state's one-handgun-per-month purchase. What do you think?
    What a silly law. What, exactly, is its stated purpose?

    I'm surprised that they didn't make it 3/5 handgun per month...

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    The present statute excludes CHP holders from the one handgun/month.
    There are exceptions, but generally non-permit holders are limited to one per month.

    The proposal would put everyone one the same non-limiting footing.

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    Its strategic purpose is to provide a rational to eliminate private sales and to put into place an onerous and strict gun registration scheme. "One gun a month" is meaningless without those infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

    Registration is the "gold standard" because it sets up potential confiscation. In effect, registration is practically the same as confiscation for a number of reasons.

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    ccwinstructor wrote:
    Its strategic purpose is to provide a rational to eliminate private sales and to put into place an onerous and strict gun registration scheme. "One gun a month" is meaningless without those infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

    Registration is the "gold standard" because it sets up potential confiscation. In effect, registration is practically the same as confiscation for a number of reasons.
    How does it provide the rationale to eliminate private sales?

    It seems to not prohibit private sales in general--just the rate of purchases by a buyer.

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    HankT wrote:
    ccwinstructor wrote:
    Its strategic purpose is to provide a rational to eliminate private sales and to put into place an onerous and strict gun registration scheme. "One gun a month" is meaningless without those infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

    Registration is the "gold standard" because it sets up potential confiscation. In effect, registration is practically the same as confiscation for a number of reasons.
    How does it provide the rationale to eliminate private sales?

    It seems to not prohibit private sales in general--just the rate of purchases by a buyer.

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    "How does it provide the rationale to eliminate private sales?

    It seems to not prohibit private sales in general--just the rate of purchases by a buyer."


    It provides the rational to eliminate private sales because there is no means to prevent private sellers from selling more than one gun a month. How is the government to track who buys more than one gun a month unless they have complete records of who buys guns and how many? They cannot do that unless private sales are made into government regulated sales by requiring that they be done through a dealer. They are then no longer private and are part of the regulatory scheme.

    When gun rationing fails to prevent criminals from getting guns, any incident will be used to demand how the rationing system failed. The obvious "fix" will then be to require all private sales to be regulated by inclusion into the exisiting data base. Any sales not in the data base would by definition be illegal.

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    Hit it.

    I do not think that the 1 per month applies to private sales. If it does, I do not see a way that they can enforce it.

    My thoughts as to the purpose of it is to raise money off of the CHPs that all of us gun nuts got so that we could buy more than 1 per month through a FFL. Just my .02

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    sccrref wrote:
    My thoughts as to the purpose of it is to raise money off of the CHPs that all of us gun nuts got so that we could buy more than 1 per month through a FFL. Just my .02

    Really, that's a little strained.

    I think the rationale for the silly restriction in VA is a logic that says that to limit gun acquisition--in any way--somehow would be a good thing.

    The anti-gun ideology blinds the introducers and supporters of this law to the obvious reality that it does not significantly limits gun acquisition.

    It's an embarassingly naive law. Rather like the gun buyout logic.

    I empathize with those that have to live with this restriction and I totally support its repeal.

    Ironically, "hitting this poll" is, uhm, equally naive and unlikely to be of any significant value.


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    I know these polls have little true value as people will hit them, but COME ON. It looks like everybody from the VPC and their friends voted twice!

    29 - Leave law in effect

    688 - Repeal it

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    sccrref wrote:
    I do not think that the 1 per month applies to private sales.
    Yesd it does, see plain language of Va. Code Section 18.2-308.2:2.

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    I hit the website and voted to repeal.

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    Mike wrote:
    sccrref wrote:
    I do not think that the 1 per month applies to private sales.
    Yesd it does, see plain language of Va. Code Section 18.2-308.2:2.
    Since it applies to private sales, it begs the questions: How is the law enforced? and Do citizens comply with the law? Is it just a paper law (because it's so silly)?





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    I know these polls have little true value as people will hit them, but COME ON. It looks like everybody from the VPC and their friends voted twice!
    Awww, I dunno. I see the rah rah aspect of doing it, GS.

    But allI keep thinking ofis that darn Skinner box....

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Guns will be a hot topic in the Virginia General Assembly. One proposed bill would roll back the state's one-handgun-per-month purchase. What do you think?

    http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2010/01/...ew-session.php

    Currently 95% favor repeal.

    Yata hey
    I think we need to take up the general assembly's kind offer to help purchase additional handguns by subsidizing our turning in our old ones!

    Give my regards to David. Went to high school with the fellow. He's got a good heart, great background and upbringing, and outstanding education.

    Just not a lot of common sense, at times. If he's for this, tsk tsk. If against, well, then, he's for us, not against us.

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    Keep the law in effect. 4% (29 votes)

    Repeal it. 96% (735 votes)

    Total Votes: 764

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    Why does anyone need to buy more than one gun a month unless they are a dealer?

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    Rugerp345 wrote:
    Why does anyone need to buy more than one gun a month unless they are a dealer?
    "Need" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    How about if someone finds a match set of revolvers they'd like to have or come across an exceptional buy/value 28 days after purchasing a Glock.

    Why do you ask? Surely you are not pro-gun only if someone hasn't already purchased a gun this month.

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    Rugerp345 wrote:
    Why does anyone need to buy more than one gun a month unless they are a dealer?
    "Need" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    How about if someone finds a match set of revolvers they'd like to have or come across an exceptional buy/value 28 days after purchasing a Glock.

    Why do you ask? Surely you are not pro-gun only if someone hasn't already purchased a gun this month.

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    Just playing devils advocate.

    I guess that means that in virginia one isn't eligible to purchase the Sig 2sum since the BATF counts them as two guns?

    What is one wanted to buy the John Wayne commemorative matched set of 30-30 lever actions?



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    Rugerp345 wrote:
    Just playing devils advocate.

    I guess that means that in virginia one isn't eligible to purchase the Sig 2sum since the BATF counts them as two guns?

    What is one wanted to buy the John Wayne commemorative matched set of 30-30 lever actions?
    CHP holders are exempted from the one handgun a month - long guns are not included either.

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    Keep the law in effect. 4% (29 votes)

    Repeal it. 96% (769 votes)

    Total Votes: 798




    All we need is the next 31 voters to vote "Repeal it" to move up to 97%!!

    (.96501809, rounded up)

    Gotta keep hitting this poll!

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    There are actually 0 comments on this poll. Thought for sure I'd find some anti ranting.

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    Keep the law in effect. 4% (29 votes)

    Repeal it. 96% (777 votes)

    Total Votes: 806


    Oh, baby. We're movingup!

    Now at 96.401985%
    :celebrate



    HITthis poll! Now!


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    Mike wrote:
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    I do not think that the 1 per month applies to private sales.
    Yesd it does, see plain language of Va. Code Section 18.2-308.2:2.
    I stand corrected. I still fail to see how they can realistically enforce this for private sales.

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    sccrref wrote:
    Mike wrote:
    sccrref wrote:
    I do not think that the 1 per month applies to private sales.
    Yesd it does, see plain language of Va. Code Section 18.2-308.2:2.
    I stand corrected. I still fail to see how they can realistically enforce this for private sales.
    The law could end up "biting" someone in a number of ways.

    Don't you keep a record of from whom you purchase and when in case there is a problem down the road? It could be problematic to withhold that data and still benefit from its protection - example the guns were reported stolen earlier from a third party or used in a crime.

    Likely you would be easily exonerated of guilt in the theft or misuse of the guns, but charged and probably convicted of illegal multiple purchases.

    I am sure that there are other ways this could come to light; notwithstanding that we should always follow the law.

    Yata hey
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