Attaching a collapsable stock to a WASR 10

T Vance · Jan 20, 2010

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I recently removed the fixed wooden stock from my WASR 10 (AK-47 variant) and registered it as a pistol. I'm looking to either attach a underfolding stock or a side folding stock.

First of all, what kind would be better? What are the pro's & con's of each (if any). What kind/brand would you suggest and why?

Second, are the easy to install on my own? It looks like I would have to remove a rivet to install the underfolding stock (I'm not sure about the side folder, I have never seen one on an AK in person).

Third, how do I install either on my type of rifle? Any links?

Thanks

Michigander · Jan 21, 2010

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I suggest side folding if you want to be able be able to fit a pad to the part of the stock your cheek will rest on. Under folders can be annoying for that reason.

ATI makes a durable and reasonably priced (in comparison to others) T6 that side folds. http://www.milsurpstuff.com/proddetail.asp?prod=AKA3600 I suggest this one, because it will adjust nicely depending for seasonal attire and different shooters.

For a little less money, you can get a TAPCO side folder that doesn't collapse.
http://www.milsurpstuff.com/proddetail.asp?prod=STK06150D

Installation is a matter of a pulling out a couple screws, and pulling the stock straight out, with the reverse process to put the new one in. It is about as complicated as putting a fresh lead in a mechanical pencil. Nothing to it.

T Vance · Jan 21, 2010

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My only concern with the side folders is with either of these attached, would my WASR still be considered a pistol due to the overall length when it is attached and folded to the side.

jeremy05 · Jan 21, 2010

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careful adding a stock to a pistol can make it a short barrel rifle

autosurgeon · Jan 21, 2010

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jeremy05 wrote:

careful adding a stock to a pistol can make it a short barrel rifle

Only if the barrel is under 16 inches.

Guest · Jan 21, 2010

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Not being familiar with the AK platform, I can't link you to the specific parts. But this company does offer parts to accomplish your objective.

I got my Sig556 folder parts from here. Real good quality. Fast delivery.

Use the menu to the left:

http://riflestocks.com/index2.htm

office888 · Jan 21, 2010

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T Vance wrote:

I recently removed the fixed wooden stock from my WASR 10 (AK-47 variant) and registered it as a pistol. I'm looking to either attach a underfolding stock or a side folding stock.

First of all, what kind would be better? What are the pro's & con's of each (if any). What kind/brand would you suggest and why?

Not ATI / Tapco.

Both company's produce okay products, but they're quite bulky, and extremely heavy in comparison. Although a friend of mine did break his ATI folding stock on his WASR during regular use. The pivot-pin used to be made of plastic.

My suggestion is to go the military surplus route, because it's guaranteed to be reliable, and durable.

The East German Folding Stock:
http://whatacountry.com/east-german-ak-47-folding-stock.aspx

-Richard-

jeremy05 · Jan 21, 2010

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you were worried about it STILL being a pistol? How long is the barrel?

From what I understand you can't put a stock on a Pistol. At least in Michigan. I could be wrong

ghostrider · Jan 21, 2010

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autosurgeon wrote:

jeremy05 wrote:

careful adding a stock to a pistol can make it a short barrel rifle

Click to expand...

Only if the barrel is under 16 inches.

A lot of these AKs are shorter than 29 inches folded when the muzzle device is removed, making them SBRs.

autosurgeon · Jan 21, 2010

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Shorter than 25 makes them an SBR not Shorter than 29 ...

ghostrider · Jan 21, 2010

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autosurgeon wrote:

Shorter than 25 makes them an SBR not Shorter than 29 ...

I had that wrong. I though it was below 26 inches. IIRC, they are less than that after folding and removing the muzzle device.

autosurgeon · Jan 21, 2010

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Actually you are right ... 26 to 30 is a pistol if it has an 16 inch barrel.

Edited to correct barrel length.

office888 · Jan 21, 2010

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jeremy05 wrote:

you were worried about it STILL being a pistol? How long is the barrel?

From what I understand you can't put a stock on a Pistol. At least in Michigan. I could be wrong

You're combining both state and federal laws together.

That's not how it works.

As long as it has at LEAST a 16" barrel as a rifle, it's not an SBR. You could have a 10" barrel if you wanted to, as long as you have a 6" flashhider/compensator, making the overall length 16".

However, if ANY weapon is under 30" in Michigan, it must be registered as a pistol.

autosurgeon wrote:

Actually you are right ... 26 to 30 is a pistol if it has an 18 inch barrel.

16" limit for rifles
18" limit for shotguns

Guest · Jan 21, 2010

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A couple of erroneous posts here.

Check your cites prior to posting please.

Better yet, post the cite.

ETA: Cite

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28qlbirbfkdpmu5545eenxdy45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-28-421&highlight=firearms

(e) "Pistol" means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals it as a firearm.

ETA: Additional cite

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ql...-750-222&highlight=short AND barrel AND rifle

(h) “Shotgun” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single function of the trigger.
(i) “Short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having 1 or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or a weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(j) “Rifle” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
(k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

autosurgeon · Jan 21, 2010

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Ehhh sorry that was a mistype.... the 18 was sposed to be 16 :uhoh:

Here is the biggest part of the whole thing that seems to confuse people.

State and Federal firearms definitions and laws do not mix.

So in this case as long as the gun has an overall length of 26 inches and a 16 inch barrel it is a long gun in the Eyes of the BATF.

As long as it has an overall length of 26 inches and a 16 inch barrel and is not longer than 30 inches it is a MI pistol and must be registered.

Now as soon as that gun crosses the line into any other state it is no longer a pistol as that is a state definition Federally it is and was always a rifle.

However if it can meet the state definition and is registered then it can be carried loaded in all circumstances that any other pistol could carried as such either OC or CC dependent of course on whether or not the owner has a CPL. (But only in MI)

jeremy05 · Jan 22, 2010

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I didn't mention anything about the length of anything, I just said a PISTOL, which is whatever the length is of a PISTOL. I was saying that I don't THINK you can add a stock onto a PISTOL.

Now we all know that not all guns are the same, which is I asked the original poster what the length of his barrel is.

edit.

You could have a 10" barrel if you wanted to, as long as you have a 6" flashhider/compensator, making the overall length 16"

But that would look retarded and people would make fun of you. :lol:

autosurgeon · Jan 22, 2010

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Jeremy my post was not directed at you in particular but at the group as a whole... This comes up on a regular basis and can be confusing for some and they may not post a question..

Part of why my first posts were mistyped is I was posting from my phone... and my thumbs are too big :lol:

Guest · Jan 22, 2010

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jeremy05 wrote:

You could have a 10" barrel if you wanted to, as long as you have a 6" flashhider/compensator, making the overall length 16"

But that would look retarded and people would make fun of you. :lol:

Your ability to learn is hindered by your contempt prior to investigation.

There's a lot about the AR15 weapon system that you obviously are lacking knowledge of.

Would you make fun of this hero?

Or this one?

Or someone that assembles a XM177 clone?

I think jack booted thugs are retarded.

jeremy05 · Jan 22, 2010

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Would you make fun of this hero?

I dunno, is his gun loaded?

office888 · Jan 22, 2010

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BATF law is such BS when it comes to the "Moderator".

So it's a one-baffle suppressor to increase gas pressure, and they call it a "suppressor, $200 tax stamp required".

But, down the road, Noveske releases the KX3 "Flash suppressor / Muzzle brake", which is ALSO a one-baffle suppressor.

But legally, it's a flash-suppressor and NOT regulated.

BATF - Where a shoe string is a machinegun.

Oh yeah, the XM177 clone is sweet, but it looks like he didn't reprofile the lower, to be the correct A1 lower...

But we digress
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OTHER stock to consider, is one that's extremely popular in Afghanistan right now:

The triangular folding stock. Here's one made of polymer:
http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16845

-Richard-

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