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    Around 8:30 today, I was checking out in sporting goods at the Wal-Mart on Vets in Kenner. I bought some bullets, eggs, apples, and oatmeal. I was standing in line and I saw a Kenner cop (I thought he was a security guard). He swung over to my right side and I could see him looking to see if I had a gun. He asked me for my credentials. I explained I do not have to have a permit to carry the gun this way. He asked me who I was with and I said noone. He asked for my license. He called someone and told them my name, address (I told him my address changed), white male, etc. He asked me why I was carrying the gun this way. I told him since I do not havea CCW liscense this is the only legal way for me to carry. After I checked out he and someone who claimed to be a Wal-Mart security guard escorted me outside. Well, he said let's step outside, I guess to not cause a scene. The guard was plain clothed and did not have a gun or anything.He finished talking on the phone and started asking me erroneous questions that I could not answer. He said, "Common sense would tell you that carrying like that will alarm people", "If you saw someone carrying like that would you get alarmed", etc. He asked why I carry again and I said it is not illegal for me to carry like this. We then started talking about people that come to a place to shoot it up they have the gun concealed or already in hand. I informed them that Wal-Mart's policy was to abide by the laws of the state. The security guard said something like "Yeah that's right but... (something stupid). The cop told me that loads of people complained about the gun. (Interesting that they would send one cop to stop a terrorist.) They told me not come to the store like that anymore and I said "I will never come to this store again." We talked about some other things and the LEO asked me something else but I can not remember right now. It was important and when I remember I will post it. I am going to send a letter (e-mail) to Wal-Mart to explain the situation and inform them that they have lost a customer. I did not get any names because I was afraid they would get pissy(I xxxxxxxxxxxx. Not that it matters but I was carrying a Glock 22 in a Serpa Blackhawk. The first time I went in there there was not problem. I have been to that one, the one on Jeff Hwy, Winn-dixie on Airline, Subway, and a few other places. I never had a glitch before. This is unfortunate.

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    So some cop said something to you with some security guard, though what they said, while important, was forgotten. Great story.

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    Unusual in a different sort of way.

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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Hef wrote:
    So some cop said something to you with some security guard, though what they said, while important, was forgotten. Great story.
    Excuse me for forgetting one or two sentences in a twenty minute conversation between three people. Clearly the point of the story zipped right over your head. My description captures the jist of the experience.

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    jensen_lover wrote:
    Hef wrote:
    So some cop said something to you with some security guard, though what they said, while important, was forgotten. Great story.
    Excuse me for forgetting one or two sentences in a twenty minute conversation between three people. Clearly the point of the story zipped right over your head. My description captures the jist of the experience.
    Facts i.e names etc - specifics are lacking completely.
    Suggest that you buy a good digital recorder for future use.
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    Wal-Mart's unofficial, official policy is a two edged sword. Saying that they follow state law is still not a mandate allowing guns. They are within state law if and when they ask you to change your conduct and/or leave - it is private property; therefore, carrying there is a privilege.

    You got your "bullets and eggs", were not arrested - not a bad evening.

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    I told the cop that if an agent of the company had asked me to leave I would have gladly left. Noone in the store seemed to care. What will happen if I go back to the store open carrying?

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    jensen_lover wrote:
    I told the cop that if an agent of the company had asked me to leave I would have gladly left. Noone in the store seemed to care. What will happen if I go back to the store open carrying?
    Let us know.

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    Did he tell you not to return to the store?

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    jensen_lover wrote:
    I told the cop that if an agent of the company had asked me to leave I would have gladly left. Noone in the store seemed to care. What will happen if I go back to the store open carrying?
    This may have something to do with"...and the LEO asked me something else but I can not remember right now."

    Did the Security Guardinform you not to come back carrying or to come back at all?

    Did the Security Guard request the LEO to inform you not to return carryingor come back at all?

    If so, do not return to that store under the conditions you were told--you could be arrested for trespass. It's really as simple as that. It's a private property rights issue that most here at OCDO happen agree with--as it should be.

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    jensen_lover wrote:
    I informed them that Wal-Mart's policy was to abide by the laws of the state. The security guard said something like "Yeah that's right but... (something stupid).
    Exactly what did the Wal-Mart SG say that was stupid?

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    Gotta love Kenner.... I get stopped all the time between 10 and New Orleans Power Sports because "you don't belong here and need to go back where you came from".... but i get this in St. Tammany and Plaquemines too.... guess it's my fault for living in New Orleans... they don't want "our type"

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    DannyAbear wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    THIS is the PERFECT opportunity for real OC'ers to show up at the very same WalMart within 48 hours, as many as possible.
    Why not just go eat at shoneys instead?

    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    For the same reason Rosa Parks didn't ride a blacks-only bus.
    Nice execution. Subtle, with only a hint of asshatery.

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    jensen_lover wrote:
    I told the cop that if an agent of the company had asked me to leave I would have gladly left. Noone in the store seemed to care. What will happen if I go back to the store open carrying?
    Call Walmart HQ and tell them the story and see what they say.

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    charlie12 wrote:
    jensen_lover wrote:
    I told the cop that if an agent of the company had asked me to leave I would have gladly left. Noone in the store seemed to care. What will happen if I go back to the store open carrying?
    Call Walmart HQ and tell them the story and see what they say.

    I will have to do that. My phone has been down for a few days so no Internet.

    jensen_lover wrote:
    I informed them that Wal-Mart's policy was to abide by the laws of the state. The security guard said something like "Yeah that's right but... (something stupid).
    Exactly what did the Wal-Mart SG say that was stupid?

    He started talking about kids and families. He made it sound like I was scaring the kids on purpose. I probably passed five kids and not a single one looked twice.


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    Bottom line - you've gotta man up in these situations. You are lawfully carrying.

    If a peon employee or rent-a-cop confronts you, ask to speak to the manager. If the manager insists that he doesn't want you carrying, then leave and tell him you're taking your business elsewhere. Take it over the manager's head to corporate. And don't forget to tell corporate that there are thousands of your fellow law-abiding citizens that will hear about (insert company name here) mistreatment on opencarry.org.

    And don't feel at any time that you're obliged to show ID, wait around, etc. Ask the magic question - Am I being detained? If not, tell them to have a nice day and go on your way. If yes, time to call your lawyer.

    Questions?





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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    For the same reason Rosa Parks didn't ride a blacks-only bus.
    One of the best answers I've seen on the forum.
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

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    barf wrote:
    If yes, time to call your lawyer.

    Questions?



    One question. Who is your lawyer? Many of us are searching for Pro-2A lawers willing to take on open carry cases such as this. Since you advise calling your lawyer I assume you have one on retainer.
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    yale wrote:
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    If yes, time to call your lawyer.

    Questions?



    One question. Who is your lawyer? Many of us are searching for Pro-2A lawers willing to take on open carry cases such as this. Since you advise calling your lawyer I assume you have one on retainer.
    Why on retainer? There is not that much routine need.

    There are several in my home state with whom I am on a first name basis. Does that count. Would you like a referral?

    Yata hey
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    jensen_lover wrote:
    I said "I will never come into this store again."
    Wal-Martcleared about a billion dollars today.This is notcounting the $17.58 you spent on two packages of Fruit of the Looms, some electrical tape, and a package of Oreos.

    "I will never come into this store again."
    They care so littleabout you that they could care less about thanking you for doing exactly what they want.

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    THIS is the PERFECT opportunity for real OC'ers to show up at the very same WalMart within 48 hours, as many as possible.



    Bingo!



    The overall goal of the entire open carry movement is to normalize the carrying of firearms in plain view. We do this by representing ourselves in a positive manner, and by doing so in a public manner.

    We cannot do this if we are marginalized.

    If we meekly comply with every business' desire for us to "just go away", how will it be possible to normalize the carrying of firearms in plain view.......

    .....when we willingly agree to become invisible?

    If I were even within a half a day's drive, I'd be strolling through this store tomorrow. WITH MY DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER.

    But, I'm about 14 hours away.

    Maybe there's someone in Louisiana who cares about their rights enough to do this?




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    "An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered."
    Proverbs 11:9

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    I'm amazed that every thread in the Louisiana forum turns to stupid bickering. Reminds me every time why I try to make it a point to pass over your state's threads.

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    yale wrote:
    barf wrote:
    If yes, time to call your lawyer.

    Questions?



    One question. Who is your lawyer? Many of us are searching for Pro-2A lawers willing to take on open carry cases such as this. Since you advise calling your lawyer I assume you have one on retainer.
    http://www.haroldweiser.com/index.html

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    Thanks, Barf. The more progun lawers we know of the better.
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    Superlite27 wrote:
    jensen_lover wrote:
    I said "I will never come into this store again."
    Wal-Martcleared about a billion dollars today.This is notcounting the $17.58 you spent on two packages of Fruit of the Looms, some electrical tape, and a package of Oreos.

    "I will never come into this store again."
    They care so littleabout you that they could care less about thanking you for doing exactly what they want.

    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    THIS is the PERFECT opportunity for real OC'ers to show up at the very same WalMart within 48 hours, as many as possible.



    Bingo!



    The overall goal of the entire open carry movement is to normalize the carrying of firearms in plain view. We do this by representing ourselves in a positive manner, and by doing so in a public manner.

    We cannot do this if we are marginalized.

    If we meekly comply with every business' desire for us to "just go away", how will it be possible to normalize the carrying of firearms in plain view.......

    .....when we willingly agree to become invisible?

    If I were even within a half a day's drive, I'd be strolling through this store tomorrow. WITH MY DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER.

    But, I'm about 14 hours away.

    Maybe there's someone in Louisiana who cares about their rights enough to do this?


    that's why I have never shopped at Wally world, ever. They do not care about you, just your money, the way they treat customers is piss poor.
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    Glock34 wrote:
    that's why I have never shopped at Wally world, ever. They do not care about you, just your money, the way they treat customers is piss poor.
    FY 2008

    Wal-Mart

    Revenues = $405.6 billion

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