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The Quislings from AHSA are a recurring feature of gun related message boards. Like the neo-Nazis in usenet, they show up, get their faces ripped, disappear for a while, then return for more.
 

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45acpForMe wrote:
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this is all true. you never know who is out there watching, waiting...:?
No, we do know they ARE watching. The question is, since we promote law-abiding people to defend themselves & the constitution, what do the people monitoring support? If they work for the federal government they should be "trained" on the constitution and support law obedience. So in theory we should be on the same page. Unfortunately just like most Senators and Congressman they probably HAVEN'T even read the constitution nor do they care about our rights & self defense. Most of them are dependent on the nanny state for their jobs and are more than willing to screw over people like us.

I am amazed how many people are willing to bow down to tyranny for a paycheck.
I'm not particularly paranoid, but there are those who, for some reason of miseducation or other socio-political anomoly believe themselves to be 'right and proper' watchdogs for their current political masters. I've read that such as we... are anti-government, anti-LEOtypes by and large who bear 'watching'.I'd invite tham all to take a good look into their own personal mirror. They are, or have become 'statists'. That's not what this nation was founded upon.

In recent comparison... one only has to read up on the STASI of the now defunct DDR.

Not everyone on these forums is a saint... or evensane, admittedly. But, among the population in general; who is? There are vast regional and cultural differences regarding 'open carry' and the 2A in generalexpressed here. Various degrees of acceptanceto total denial are represented in every state forum as well as the general forum. Those denied/harrassed in the exercise of an actual enumerated 'right'are frustrated and resentful. Understandibly so. Yet, there are those who... for misguided reasons would continue to deny and harrass with impunityas they lick the hands that sign their paychecks.

Many, if not most of these also took the oath to 'Protect and defend the Constitution'. They don't. They don't even comprehend the Constitution, or care. In my opinion... the Constitution is the foundation of our formof'government'. Therefore... 'who' are the actual anti-government types who bear watching?
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
45acpForMe wrote:
Glock34 wrote:
this is all true. you never know who is out there watching, waiting...:?
No, we do know they ARE watching. The question is, since we promote law-abiding people to defend themselves & the constitution, what do the people monitoring support? If they work for the federal government they should be "trained" on the constitution and support law obedience. So in theory we should be on the same page. Unfortunately just like most Senators and Congressman they probably HAVEN'T even read the constitution nor do they care about our rights & self defense. Most of them are dependent on the nanny state for their jobs and are more than willing to screw over people like us.

I am amazed how many people are willing to bow down to tyranny for a paycheck.
I'm not particularly paranoid, but there are those who, for some reason of miseducation or other socio-political anomoly believe themselves to be 'right and proper' watchdogs for their current political masters. I've read that such as we... are anti-government, anti-LEOtypes by and large who bear 'watching'.I'd invite tham all to take a good look into their own personal mirror. They are, or have become 'statists'. That's not what this nation was founded upon.

In recent comparison... one only has to read up on the STASI of the now defunct DDR.

Not everyone on these forums is a saint... or evensane, admittedly. But, among the population in general; who is? There are vast regional and cultural differences regarding 'open carry' and the 2A in generalexpressed here. Various degrees of acceptanceto total denial are represented in every state forum as well as the general forum. Those denied/harrassed in the exercise of an actual enumerated 'right'are frustrated and resentful. Understandibly so. Yet, there are those who... for misguided reasons would continue to deny and harrass with impunityas they lick the hands that sign their paychecks.

Many, if not most of these also took the oath to 'Protect and defend the Constitution'. They don't. They don't even comprehend the Constitution, or care. In my opinion... the Constitution is the foundation of our formof'government'. Therefore... 'who' are the actual anti-government types who bear watching?
welcome to the new Amerika. This has been a POLICE STATE a for years & now we can add socialism to the equation and BIG BROTHER is everywhere. their is only one thing we can all do about the situation & that same thing happened back in 1770's. The founding fathers are cursing us from their graves.
 

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buster81 wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
Deanimator wrote:
The Quislings from AHSA are a recurring feature of gun related message boards. Like the neo-Nazis in usenet, they show up, get their faces ripped, disappear for a while, then return for more.

Why would the American Hampshire Sheep Association care about what is said here?:lol:

Hey, that's my material! :cuss:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=33044&forum_id=65&highlight=ahsa
Well we could argue that, but I posted the link. :p:celebrate
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
I'm not particularly paranoid, but there are those who, for some reason of miseducation or other socio-political anomoly believe themselves to be 'right and proper' watchdogs for their current political masters. I've read that such as we... are anti-government, anti-LEOtypes by and large who bear 'watching'.I'd invite tham all to take a good look into their own personal mirror. They are, or have become 'statists'. That's not what this nation was founded upon.
No, but that is, of course, the whole point. That is what they want it to be. Until they can make a phone call that puts a boot on the neck of everyone they disagree with, they won't be happy. This is what the typical Democrat has become, and not just recently. It's been growing for decades. There are a few who will say 'don't label me with that.' And they might not actually deserve it. But the party as a whole is self-confessed to be out for blood and the total annihilation of everything American.

No, it's NOT what this nation as founded upon. They don't need to look in a mirror to know what they have so painstakingly made themselves into, and hope to impose on all.

I disagree with your take that it is an accident, misinformation, needs to be educated/informed. Anti-Constitutionalists are deliberately so.

Get them alone, where no one can hear the truth, and they'll very quickly tell you of their hatred for everything American. Act complicit, and play them along... The truth comes out when they think you're their buddy. Deceptive? Yes. But they'll do nothing but lie to you otherwise.
 

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Glock34 wrote:
...only one thing we can all do about the situation & that same thing happened back in 1770's. The founding fathers are cursing us from their graves.
As posted elsewhere:

"This calls for immediate discussion."
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It ain't gonna happen. They all still missed the memo that the problem that caused it cannot also be the solution.... Doing nothing and talking about being reasonable is what created this. It will not fix it.
 

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What bothers me more then then some federal anti-gun scumbag are the Concealed Handgun License holders who would love to see OC be banned.

For some reason, many (not all) CHL holders think they are in a superior class then people who choose to only OC.

Im not afraid to say it, sometimes other gun owners are our own worst enemy.



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Sig229 wrote:
What bothers me more then then some federal anti-gun scumbag are the Concealed Handgun License holders who would love to see OC be banned.

For some reason, many (not all) CHL holders think they are in a superior class then people who choose to only OC.

Im not afraid to say it, sometimes other gun owners are our own worst enemy.
 

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Sig229 wrote:
What bothers me more then then some federal anti-gun scumbag are the Concealed Handgun License holders who would love to see OC be banned.

For some reason, many (not all) CHL holders think they are in a superior class then people who choose to only OC.

Im not afraid to say it, sometimes other gun owners are our own worst enemy.



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True dat! I have a CWP... only 'causeI go out of state 'n it 'justifies' any gray areas 'bout carryin' in a vehicle. 'Never had problem with that here... but ya never know. It also smooths any gun buyin' transaction. But... it's not my normal mode of carry. Some of the CCW types in non-OC states or those recently 'OC' have a regional culture problem.

I think some harbor a 'Secret Sam' complex... 'and/or buy into the whole 'tactical surprise' propaganda shpiel that most CCW instructors promulgate. (The element of surprise will always be with the aggressor, so all this 'advantage stuff' regarding concealmentis nonsense.) You just look like another sheep to a BG.
 

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The Founding Fathers were concerned with a standing army. At that particular time in history, for the most part, the military or armyenforced federal or national laws in just aboutall countries.

There is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for a national police force. (Don't give me that general welfare crap.) Therefore, IMHO, the FBI, BATFE, DEA, Dept. of the Treasury, IRS, and now TSA, and DHS,all of which have some type of "police force", are the standing army they warned us about.
 

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rodbender wrote:
The Founding Fathers were concerned with a standing army. At that particular time in history, for the most part, the military or armyenforced federal or national laws in just aboutall countries.

There is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for a national police force. (Don't give me that general welfare crap.) Therefore, IMHO, the FBI, BATFE, DEA, Dept. of the Treasury, IRS, and now TSA, and DHS,all of which have some type of "police force", are the standing army they warned us about.
And.,... who do all of these organizatons serve? To whom is their allegience? Not Joe Sixpack. I can give the FBI and 'US Border Patrol, US Marshals' and also the US Coast Guard(not mentioned)a pass as being a necessary LE function... but none of the rest.
 

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rodbender wrote:
The Founding Fathers were concerned with a standing army. At that particular time in history, for the most part, the military or armyenforced federal or national laws in just aboutall countries.

There is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for a national police force. (Don't give me that general welfare crap.) Therefore, IMHO, the FBI, BATFE, DEA, Dept. of the Treasury, IRS, and now TSA, and DHS,all of which have some type of "police force", are the standing army they warned us about.
They didn't used to be, but under the Clinton Administration and Janet Reno they have become just that.
 

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I'd rather just educate them.
http://www.bradyaspirin.com



Dreamer wrote:
I think it's becoming pretty apparent that this forum (and other 2A-related forums) have been infiltrated by agent provocateurs. With this knowledge, I think it goes without saying that we need to be extra careful and extra vigilant, folks.

Just ignore them. Don't answer their stupid questions. Don't give them advice when they ask how to do illegal things.

Don't feed the trolls, because these trolls are not just trolls. They are very clever, and are setting out bait. These trolls have fangs, and they have a very evil and insidious agenda.

We need all the wise and knowledgeable voices on this forum to stay free. So watch your 6, and watch what you type. We needn't allow these activities to succeed in squashing our exercise of the 1st Amendment--we just need to be careful that we aren't led into being "hoist by our own petards"...


And now, a message for these agent provocateurs:
We know "you" are watching.
We know "you" are posting.
We know what "you" are up to.
And we're not going to fall for it...
 

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Thanks! This was my morning project... after getting calls all week from the FTC (read my FTC article!)
 

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We should realize this site is monitored by 'who knows what' for reasons we can all assume why. To think otherwise is naive. No doubt we've caused veins to bulge, hearts to palpitate and sweat to appear on furrowed brows.



To all of 'those' I say: "Get over it!"
 

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So, it's probably illegal to state specific threats against political targets... Since it is, I'll instead say that I wouldn't cry if the BATFE HQ was obliterated by a rogue meteor. Well, add the Brady bunch to that also. Spy on that, rats.
 
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