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Pace

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As much as I disagree with the bATFe, please note that there are good americans there working against the fight against terrorism. Most of them unfortunately are being forced to police policies they don't agree with, just as many local law enforcement is often forced to do the same.

Let's not wish violence on any American.
 

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I agree, traitors should all have meteors land on their bedrooms while sleeping...

Or, maybe the meteor should land on their children, so they get to feel what it's like to be prevented from protecting them.

OMG, did I cross the line? They get paid (out of our own money) do no less to us every day... I wished it once. These people never stop wishing it.
 

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Pace wrote:
As much as I disagree with the bATFe, please note that there are good americans there working against the fight against terrorism. Most of them unfortunately are being forced to police policies they don't agree with, just as many local law enforcement is often forced to do the same.

Let's not wish violence on any American.

Does it really matter if "GOOD' americans are working for an organization that is unconstitutional? Does it matter how much "GOOD" work they do?It is still unconstitutional and should be abolished, not obliterated.

Are you one that would trade liberty for temporary security? If so, then you deserve neither.
 

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I am the person who wears a shirt that says:

"I fight to protect your liberty even as you vote to take mine away."
 

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You'd be amazed daily how many people get into a conversation with me no matter where I am, because I'm 90% of the time OC'ing. Sometimes its because I'm wearing a "crazy" shirt advocating actually talking the issue, or sometimes its a store owner.

I've had people start the conversation saying they believe guns are violence, dangerous and they will always vote against allowing guns into the hands of citizens, and then an hour later they will ask me where the can take a NRA course. Why? Because most people are uneducated about these things, they need to know the honest truth.

This is why I support the Brady Campaign against Aspirin Violence
www.bradyaspirin.com
 

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UtahJarhead wrote:
So, it's probably illegal to state specific threats against political targets... Since it is, I'll instead say that I wouldn't cry if the BATFE HQ was obliterated by a rogue meteor. Well, add the Brady bunch to that also. Spy on that, rats.
i will expand on that , DC being leveled by same rogue Meteor, asteroid, comet. it would not be a great loss.
 

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Pace wrote:
I am the person who wears a shirt that says:

"I fight to protect your liberty even as you vote to take mine away."
It was not meant to be abashing of you. It was merely meant to wake you up to the fact that just because the intentions are good, and there are good people doing it,does not mean that it should exist. If Art. I, Sec. 8 of the Constitution does not enumerate that the feds can do it, then they shouldn't be doing it. If the fedsare not suppose todo it, then it is up to the states (see 10A)themselves to take careof it. This goes along with education, welfare of any type to citizens or 501(c)3 organizations, law enforcement, EPA, health care, etc., etc., etc.


I assume that you are in the military. If so, then I suggest you read and completely understand the document that you have sworn to protect and defend. You also might want to check out http://www.oathkeepers.org.
 

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I have said this before and I'll say it again: I do not do, say, or post one thing on the Net that I would not regret seeing printed above-the-fold on the front page of any newspaper and attributed to my real name. I think the trolls and provocateurs who visit us - such as a certain person who constantly tried to elicit anti-Jewish sentiment - are very quickly identified and dealt with by the membership and the mods. The rapidity with which this occurs and also the tolerance shown - up to a point - for their opinions demonstrates that OCDO is a quite sane organization and that dissent and argument and debate are encouraged. Heck, if an out-and-out anti joined the forum and honestly said he was an anti, I don't think he would be kicked off or censored; it would be too much fun pantsing him all the time. And we just might make a convert.

Yeah, we have kooks here. And I am assuredly no LEO basher, but if you want to see some kook postings, go to the Officer.com forum. And these are COPS!!!
 

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Glock34 wrote:
this is all true. you never know who is out there watching, waiting...:?
And baiting. The WND article asked, "Why is the FBI doing this?" I imagine it's something like a tripwire, where they catch people who may have gone on and done something like this.

My objection, of course, is the "may" part. What if they're catching people who would never have gone on to do something illegal if they they hadn't strung the tripwire in the first place?

I suppose there's something to be said for it, provided it's just a fishook, and not goading and inciting someone to alter their behavior. Hopefully, it would never involve grooming or training someone to commit a crime! That would be heinous.
 

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The lengths to which government will go in order to ensnare someone know no bounds. That is why we have courts, and why even slam-dunk cases must be tried with due process. Let me give you an example:

Back in the 1980s a bachelor farmer in the Midwest was targeted because it was noticed that he ordered porno from an outfit that specialized in male models (MODELS?? ) who looked considerably younger than 18 but were certified per USC to be 18 or older. For about three years they bombarded him with teaser mailings featuring cropped pictures of pubescent boys. Finally the guy bit, and they reeled him in.

Afterhe had gone through what many here would think of as a well-deserved hell, the Supreme Court ruled that three years of being tempted by the government was entrapment writ large. He had made every effort to stay within the law, but the government determined that what underlaid his efforts to do so was a desire to go "over the line" and so they spent three years trying to trip him up.

Can you imagine one of us getting Emails promising some way of getting around for example full-auto restrictions without a class III pernit, and finally biting, and getting arrested? Oh, I would love to have a FA weapon - they are fun to shoot, and if you never have fired FA you do not know what you are missing - but I try to stay within the law, as do we all.

Point is, you have to be careful. Once you have been targeted for prosecution, you will be tempted again and again One nibble and the hook is set, the boots are kicking the door open, and the game is afoot.

The good news is that owning and shooting a firearm is not looked upon in the same manner as enjoying viewing photographs of naked boys .....yet.
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
The good news is that owning and shooting a firearm is not looked upon in the same manner as enjoying viewing photographs of naked boys .....yet.
Unless your name is Helmke, Schumer, Feinstein, etc.... Then you are getting paid to treat gun owners like they are pedophiles.

If you disagree, please explain to me how a Concealed Weapons Permit it anything different from Registering Sex Offenders. Except, of course, that the Sex Offenders have far less to go through, and don't have to carry a Photo ID Sex Offender Card on their person at all times... Weather they realize it or not, anyone with a CC Permit is already being treated worse than convicted sex offenders, and brainwashed to think that it makes them special... And feeling special about it is why they hate OCers... But I digress (as usual)...
 

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Speaking of our Senate pals, it is reported that Barbara Boxer is in BIG trouble poll-wise. And it isn't just guns. Anti-gun politicians are also politicians who screw up everything else into the bargain. November is going to be veeeerrrrry interesting.
 

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Pace wrote:
As much as I disagree with the bATFe, please note that there are good americans there working against the fight against terrorism.
Anybody in a federal "law enforcement" agency who puts on RACIALLY SEGREGATED LEO gatherings (AT AGENCY EXPENSE, with invitations ON AGENCY LETTERHEAD) at which "n****r hunting licenses" are trafficked, and who subsequently displays those "licenses" in agency offices, or who creates an OFFICIAL video on how to LIE UNDER OATH is NOT a "good American". They don't even qualify as a good human.

The United States needs the BATFE like it needs NAMBLA.
 

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Deanimator wrote:
Pace wrote:
As much as I disagree with the bATFe, please note that there are good americans there working against the fight against terrorism.
Anybody in a federal "law enforcement" agency who puts on RACIALLY SEGREGATED LEO gatherings (AT AGENCY EXPENSE, with invitations ON AGENCY LETTERHEAD) at which "n****r hunting licenses" are trafficked, and who subsequently displays those "licenses" in agency offices, or who creates an OFFICIAL video on how to LIE UNDER OATH is NOT a "good American". They don't even qualify as a good human.

The United States needs the BATFE like it needs NAMBLA.
Out of curiosity do you have a cite or source for this Deanimator?

FBI spent many years as anti- "negro" too. A good book with a lot of info is "Lies my Teacher told me" can't remember the author and he seems to be a bit of a socialist but lots of good info. It does go into detail how racist democrats have been for most of their history. Especially progressives like Woodrow Wilson. He set "race" relations back decades and help usher in a new era of KKK etc.
 

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rodbender wrote:
Pace wrote:
As much as I disagree with the bATFe, please note that there are good americans there working against the fight against terrorism. Most of them unfortunately are being forced to police policies they don't agree with, just as many local law enforcement is often forced to do the same.

Let's not wish violence on any American.

Does it really matter if "GOOD' americans are working for an organization that is unconstitutional? Does it matter how much "GOOD" work they do?It is still unconstitutional and should be abolished, not obliterated.

Are you one that would trade liberty for temporary security? If so, then you deserve neither.
It wasn't my fault! I was just following orders!
 

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stainless1911 wrote:
Exactly. No one is responsible, so no one is accountable, and it never happened.

Right?
admitnothing.jpg
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
rodbender wrote:
The Founding Fathers were concerned with a standing army. At that particular time in history, for the most part, the military or armyenforced federal or national laws in just aboutall countries.

There is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for a national police force. (Don't give me that general welfare crap.) Therefore, IMHO, the FBI, BATFE, DEA, Dept. of the Treasury, IRS, and now TSA, and DHS,all of which have some type of "police force", are the standing army they warned us about.
And.,... who do all of these organizatons serve? To whom is their allegience? Not Joe Sixpack. I can give the FBI and 'US Border Patrol, US Marshals' and also the US Coast Guard (not mentioned)a pass as being a necessary LE function... but none of the rest.
The Border Patrol and Coast Guard aredefinitely Constituional because they serve as a function of immigration, which Congress hasthe power to regulate. The FBI and US Marshalls, NOPE!!!
 
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