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    So today I was just thinking about the price of good HPJs vs FMJ Range ammo The Golden Sabers I carry are about $1.25 each whereas range ammo is about $0.30 each, so my question is, Say if SHTF and the economy went downhill or some Gun/Ammo ban came out and you weren't able to get ahold of ammo easily or at all, what would you rather have, 300 rounds of your best defensive rounds or 50 of those rounds and 1000 rounds of cheap FMJ range rounds?

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    YoZUpZ wrote:
    So today I was just thinking about the price of good HPJs vs FMJ Range ammo The Golden Sabers I carry are about $1.25 each whereas range ammo is about $0.30 each, so my question is, Say if SHTF and the economy went downhill or some Gun/Ammo ban came out and you weren't able to get ahold of ammo easily or at all, what would you rather have, 300 rounds of your best defensive rounds or 50 of those rounds and 1000 rounds of cheap FMJ range rounds?
    I would rather have the 1000 rounds. My gun doesn't work that well when I run out of ammo!

    If the **** hits the fan, HP will be used in my pistols for upclose and personal defenseand ball ammo in my carbines. I figure longer distance shooting will be easier to miss so I will need more rounds. Of course 1000 rounds of both would be better.

    One other thing to think about is ammo may be one of the new currencies so having "more" to trade for things like food will help survival. There is an old saying, which would you rather have to pull your wagon over the mountains, 1000 chickens or 2 oxen? The oxen may work better if there are no problems but you can always eat one of the chickens if you have to. If you eat one of the oxen you ain't going no where. So planning to have an excess is a good thing.

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    Military used FMJ ammo for general use for years, and I think they still do.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    In my opinion, if it is a real SHTF scenario, having quantity is the better idea for two reasons:
    1. Quantity of rounds in a true SHTF scenario will be important
    2. FMJ rounds are still plenty deadly- some carry only FMJ rounds (although, not cheap range rounds) - sometimes people act like only those super specialty rounds will kill a person - thats simply NOT true.

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    YoZUpZ wrote:
    So today I was just thinking about the price of good HPJs vs FMJ Range ammo The Golden Sabers I carry are about $1.25 each whereas range ammo is about $0.30 each, so my question is, Say if SHTF and the economy went downhill or some Gun/Ammo ban came out and you weren't able to get ahold of ammo easily or at all, what would you rather have, 300 rounds of your best defensive rounds or 50 of those rounds and 1000 rounds of cheap FMJ range rounds?
    50 rounds of the defensive and 1000 rounds of cheap FMJ. I wouldn't really call them range rounds. They're great for that, but they'll kill just fine. Even if the option was only for 1000 rounds, I'll still take it. When SHTF, I am not so concerned about over-penetration.

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    think of it this way

    1) they didn't always have HPJ's, but plenty people still got killed.

    2) a FMJ is EQUALLY as fatal if placed in the right spot. so improve your aim. LOL

    3) 1,000 rounds would be better. because even if you only hit every 2nd round, that's still 500hits. but if you only had 500rounds and only hit every 2nd, then that's only 250hits.

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    1000 rounds of .45ACP hardball. Served our country pretty well in four wars...
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    When SHTF I wanna be on the good side of the fan..

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    Give me the 1000. As Stalin said, "quantity has a quality all its own".

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    It's really easy to file the ends offFMJ andmake your own "hollow points".

    Improvise, adapt, and overcome.



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    YoZUpZ wrote:
    ...Say if SHTF and the economy went downhill or some Gun/Ammo ban came out and you weren't able to get ahold of ammo easily or at all, what would you rather have, 300 rounds of your best defensive rounds or 50 of those rounds and 1000 rounds of cheap FMJ range rounds?
    Interesting question, Yo.


    Depends if I would be stayingput in one place or if I'm on the move.

    If staying put, I'll take the 1,050 rounds (and my carbine).

    If on the move, I'd take the 300 JHP (and my handgun and my carbine).





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    HankT wrote:
    YoZUpZ wrote:
    ...Say if SHTF and the economy went downhill or some Gun/Ammo ban came out and you weren't able to get ahold of ammo easily or at all, what would you rather have, 300 rounds of your best defensive rounds or 50 of those rounds and 1000 rounds of cheap FMJ range rounds?
    Interesting question, Yo.


    Depends if I would be stayingput in one place or if I'm on the move.

    If staying put, I'll take the 1,050 rounds (and my carbine).

    If on the move, I'd take the 300 JHP (and my handgun and my carbine).



    I would want the higher number of rounds for any situation.

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    Decoligny wrote:
    It's really easy to file the ends offFMJ andmake your own "hollow points".

    Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


    Problem is if the bullet expands you may foul the barrel with lead deposits. Thats why they use metal jackets. Lead is soft and when the heat of the expanding gas hits from firing it will melt the lead and can get in and on the barrel surface.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    Nope. Friction. The specific heat of lead is too high for your explanation 26.650 J·mol−1·K−1.

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    Well something causes the chit to melt. That is the key point.



    Lead melts at 621 degrees F, a bullet gets awfully hot coming out of that barrel. I may not be a physicist but I would think that friction alone isnt going to cause that temp in a short pistol barrel.


    A fmj bullet will still do plenty of damage from MOST guns. Maybe a little .25 or such may not be enough to do serious damage but I still wouldn't want to be shot with one.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    YOu always want to have quantity.

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    bigdaddy1 wrote:
    Military used FMJ ammo for general use for years, and I think they still do.
    Yep, Geneva Convention.
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    They have to, The Hague Convention of 1899 banned the use of expanding and flattening bullets (hollow points) by NATO members

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    rodbender wrote:
    bigdaddy1 wrote:
    Military used FMJ ammo for general use for years, and I think they still do.
    Yep, Geneva Convention.
    It was banned in Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899 actually.

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    bigdaddy1 wrote:
    ...but I still wouldn't want to be shot with one.
    You are just NO fun at all


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    Didn't none of ya'll pay any attention to Tremors:Aftershock? You can't never have too much ammo! But it is hell to run out!

    If it hits the fan, you will need multipurpose ammo and multipurpose guns ...

    Large animal caliber long gun, Large animal caliber pistol, Small animal caliber long gun, Small animal caliber pistol. Long range long gun to short range pistol and as many specific ranges in between in different models.

    I belive I have a very versatile mix:

    .44, .308, 7.62 x 39, .357, .38,.30, .264 mag, .223,.22 in semi-automatic and bolt and leveraction long gun

    .45, 9mm, .357, .38, .380, .22 in semi-automatic and single action pistol

    12 ga, 20 ga shotgun in pump and semi-automatic (one is tactical = 8 shots)

    1000+ rounds for each weapon (2000+ for weapons calibered the same) minimum (depends on whether we have just been to the gun range or not ...)

    And I know that I am one of the smaller collections in my set of friends




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    okboomer wrote:
    Didn't none of ya'll pay any attention to Tremors:Aftershock? You can't never have too much ammo!
    Oh man, why'd you have to bring up Tremors?

    The 2nd movie disgusted me to no end and I gave up the [colt?] series after that, and lost all hope when they made a TV show and sequel that took place back in the old wild west.

    The first one, Tremors, gave me nightmares about worms and other similar creatures burrowing in the ground when I was a kid. No thanks, but if SHTF, I want Burt and Heather Gummer's concrete fortress with all of their weapons. I wonder if their last name was a play on gunner, cause that would have been more appropriate. I love that scene when one of the worms busts through their wall and they realize their puny submachine guns and handguns were ineffective and then the camera nonchalantly pans over to their beautiful Wall-O-Guns complete with an elephant gun. Oh and that brings up another point, you need a woman like Reba McEntire's character to blow away baddies with you.



    Yeah, I'll take some of that.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    Oh man, why'd you have to bring up Tremors?
    OK, how about Die Hard 1-4?


    tekshogun wrote:
    Oh and that brings up another point, you need a woman like Reba McEntire's character to blow away baddies with you.
    Sorry, I'm already taken


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    okboomer wrote:
    Didn't none of ya'll pay any attention to Tremors:Aftershock? You can't never have too much ammo! But it is hell to run out!

    If it hits the fan, you will need multipurpose ammo and multipurpose guns ...

    Large animal caliber long gun, Large animal caliber pistol, Small animal caliber long gun, Small animal caliber pistol. Long range long gun to short range pistol and as many specific ranges in between in different models.

    I belive I have a very versatile mix:

    .44, .308, 7.62 x 39, .357, .38,.30, .264 mag, .223,.22 in semi-automatic and bolt and leveraction long gun

    .45, 9mm, .357, .38, .380, .22 in semi-automatic and single action pistol

    12 ga, 20 ga shotgun in pump and semi-automatic (one is tactical = 8 shots)

    1000+ rounds for each weapon (2000+ for weapons calibered the same) minimum (depends on whether we have just been to the gun range or not ...)

    And I know that I am one of the smaller collections in my set of friends



    Just one queston.

    If you're forced to go mobile, and I mean on foot, how are you going to carry all that, along with food rations and other emergency camping gear?

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    You know, the REALLY interesting thing about the Hague treaty and the Geneva Convention, and all the controls they put on military is the wording of the limitations.

    Under both these agreement, you can't use expanding bullets on a foreign enemy.

    But there is NO restriction--international or domestic--on using them on your own citizens. That is why cops and Feds can all legally use hollowpoints like HydraShoks and Ranger SXT's, but the military can't.

    Same goes for torture of prisoners and the tactical use of "weather modification weapons" (we signed a UN treaty against WM weapons in 1978). You can't use them against a foreign enemy, but there are no restrictions under international law regarding a military from using them them against their own people.

    Who IS watching the watchers?...
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