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    Instead of open carry of pistols why doesn't somebody organize an open carry "assault weapon" march. At this point were considered nuts by the liberal media already. The goal here is to show the state legislator that were not gonna spread our cheeks.Just a thought, what do you all think?

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    I think the whole purpose of OC.Org is to change minds and show the public that there is a huge misconception about those who are "Gun Nuts". To show that we are peacefull people who only carry for our own personal defense and if need be the defense of others. I think at this point that, that would be a little over the top, and that would hurt the cause more than help. Things they should remember when seeing a person OC, is peace, maturity, responsibility, respect, cheeful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverant, but most of all that we will not stand by and let our rights be taken away by a socialist community. I think that should be for another time and place. But thats just my opinion.
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    I'm with amzbrady on this.

    If you really do carry your shotgun or AR with you as you go about your daily rounds; fine. Otherwise, just OC or CC (with permit) your handgun as you normally do, and save the more theatrical responses for later if we need them.

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    I did get my very first AR15 last weekend. I would also rather have my rifle than a pistol at hand. I could only dream of a world where I could carry my rifle on my left and pistol on my right with out a care in the world in the city. I guess if I ever really need to go through a bad neighborhood and know ahead of time, this would be the thing to do. Unfortunately that doesn't seem likely and sheeple will cry. I'm going to sleep soon and try to dream of a free society.

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    Aryk45XD wrote:
    I did get my very first AR15 last weekend. I would also rather have my rifle than a pistol at hand. I could only dream of a world where I could carry my rifle on my left and pistol on my right with out a care in the world in the city. I guess if I ever really need to go through a bad neighborhood and know ahead of time, this would be the thing to do. Unfortunately that doesn't seem likely and sheeple will cry. I'm going to sleep soon and try to dream of a free society.
    Or dream of an apocalyptic world full of Zombies.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
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    amzbrady wrote:
    Aryk45XD wrote: Or dream of an apocalyptic world full of Zombies.
    Now Amz, what have I said about that!?!?



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    That pic is just to freaking funny
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
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    I agree.I don't carry a long gun on a daily basis so why would I carry one for some demonstration that would reinforce how the anti gun folks are trying to portray us.

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    At least it survied the surgery.

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    DEROS72 wrote:
    I agree.I don't carry a long gun on a daily basis so why would I carry one for some demonstration that would reinforce how the anti gun folks are trying to portray us.
    +1




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    Ya, for those that think this is a great idea (carrying of a long gun aka a rifle or shotgun).

    Carry one all day long and see if it's actually practical. Listen, I was fortunate to carry a pistol when I was deployed (way back when). Carrying a long gun sucks.

    I will say hands down a rifle is what you need for a gun fight but how many have even needed to draw their sidearms in their life? Not practical.

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    Yea, why don't we start with normalizing the carry ofhandguns, if for no other reason than purely practical ones, THEN we can worry aboutcarrying around the bigger toys, which is in all reality,is even a smaller fringe interest than what the BBs say that OC is.

    Baby steps man, baby steps!Teach people what a walkfreaking lookslike before you yell at them to run. :P

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    Personally it would not be convenient for me to carry my shotgun or AK-47 around with me all day long. I will stick with my handguns for the sake of my back.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Nosrac wrote:
    DEROS72 wrote:
    I agree.I don't carry a long gun on a daily basis so why would I carry one for some demonstration that would reinforce how the anti gun folks are trying to portray us.
    +1


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    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
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    oldkim wrote:
    I will say hands down a rifle is what you need for a gun fight but how many have even needed to draw their sidearms in their life?
    I have- and was glad I had it at hand...

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    So my USAS-12 and drum go back in the closet?

    (Just kidding)



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    Hammer wrote:
    oldkim wrote:
    I will say hands down a rifle is what you need for a gun fight but how many have even needed to draw their sidearms in their life?
    I have- and was glad I had it at hand...
    I have-It is something like 80% of shooting occur within ten feet...I will stick with what I carry.

    The thing that comes to mind in all of this discussion is something that everyone needs to consider in an urban environment, "overpenetration." As a law abiding citizen you are legally but most importantly morally obligated to assuring that the attacker is the only one who gets hit and the round doesn't go through them. If you are carrying a rifle you are definately going to overpenetrate shooting someone who is only 10 feet away. 9mm moves at 1100 fps. and at point blank range will pass through a person even if you shoot them at an angle through the torso...just offerring up my...

    This isn't a war zone where overpenetration and killing innocent civilians is considered "collateral damage." You are responsible for every round you fire.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    However:

    I do not believe that power needs to be attenuated because of over-penetration. Bullet selection can get rid most of these problems. A good hollowpoint, Glaser safety slug or in the case of a rifle (say a 308 or 223), a lightweight thin jacket varmit bullet would be the ticket.

    Though the danger of hitting beyond your target is there, reliability, stopping power and accuracy are paramount.

    I am not saying tragedies will never occur, I am just saying that misses will happen. I have never heard of a case where a defender was held responsible for his bullet selection due to a miss. (Please add to my library if I am wrong).

    Most police cartridges up until the 1970's were solid lead slugs (either a semiwadcutter or round nose). The ACLU at one time brought suit against hollow point bullet manufactures and the Boston Police Dept. in a time known as the "Hollow Point bullet Hysteria", trying to prevent the transition to hollow points despite their advantages to both perp and defender. Handloading has also been attacked as well usage of "magnums", all without any clear justification. None of these arguments survived the test of time.

    Are you morally obligated to carry the least penetrative round? I don't think so. I believe you are morally obligated to carry the round you think will end the fight with the least number of shots.

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    Wheelgunner wrote:

    a lightweight thin jacket varmit bullet would be the ticket.

    I am not saying tragedies will never occur, I am just saying that misses will happen. I have never heard of a case where a defender was held responsible for his bullet selection due to a miss. (Please add to my library if I am wrong).

    Are you morally obligated to carry the least penetrative round? "

    Sometimes I feel like I am speaking a different language. What I am saying is that a decent person would feel morally obligating for the innocent lives around them when firing their weapon in public, if not then you are nothing more than a run-of-the-mill thug who shoots without worry about where their round is going.

    A varmit bullet sounds really nice


    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    Wheelgunner wrote:

    Sometimes I feel like I am speaking a different language. What I am saying is that a decent person would feel morally obligating for the innocent lives around them when firing their weapon in public, if not then you are nothing more than a run-of-the-mill thug who shoots without worry about where their round is going.

    A varmit bullet sounds really nice
    I agree completely.



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    LOL, you agree about what...that I speak a different language or the last part of my post?:celebrate
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I do have a HiPoint 995 9mm carbine, but for self defense at close range (especially inside where the "swing room" is often limited) I greatly prefer one of my pistols.

    As to "over penetration," I do take that into consideration. That is why the magazine in my primary carry pistol is full of Glaser Blue, while the backup magazine is FMJ.

    My "logic" in that is that one mag of Glasers, that won't penetrate sheetrock (I live in an apartment complex), SHOULD take care of any "immediate" problem, but if the "bad guy" takes cover and is still a threat I can ram in the second magazine and have a chance of penetrating his cover if necessary.

    My BUG is loaded with good JHPs as being probably the best choice for handshake distance with a .32 auto.

    (The HiPoint carbine is just for fun, and to keep my hand in with a long gun.)

    My brother-in-law used to drag a .44 mag pistol around with him (yeah, he was a pretty good sized guy), and I think his usual handloads might "one-shot-stop" a Kenworth. IMHO that was absolutely the wrong choice all the way around, as the penetration of a miss (or even a hit!) with that monster was fearful. He could easily shoot through several walls and still have lethal force left.

    I eventually convinced him to back down to something more reasonable (a 1911 with "flying ashtray" Hydra-Shok hollow points).

    Thing is, I've seen a lot of folks carrying WAY too powerful a choice of round with apparently no thought at all to where that bullet is eventually going to finally come to rest...

    (When I was military, though, it was different - I wanted as much firepower and as much penetration as I could carry...)


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    Tomas wrote:
    As to "over penetration," I do take that into consideration. That is why the magazine in my primary carry pistol is full of Glaser Blue, while the backup magazine is FMJ.

    I should buy some Glaser Blue and check them out. I am always concerned in the house about the loadsI use in the house in my shotgun (15 pellet low recoil)and the ammunition I use in my carry (9mm).

    I would rather use my handgun in the house and the same handgun when I am out and about....my handgun is is next me to 24/7, just like my partner.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    LOL, you agree about what...that I speak a different language or the last part of my post?:celebrate
    Both!

    But mostly that last part. :quirky

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    Tomas wrote:

    My brother-in-law used to drag a .44 mag pistol around with him (yeah, he was a pretty good sized guy), and I think his usual handloads might "one-shot-stop" a Kenworth. IMHO that was absolutely the wrong choice all the way around, as the penetration of a miss (or even a hit!) with that monster was fearful. He could easily shoot through several walls and still have lethal force left.

    I eventually convinced him to back down to something more reasonable (a 1911 with "flying ashtray" Hydra-Shok hollow points).
    On the other hand, he can shoot through cover, and with careful bullet selection, have a very safe load. Safe as in near zero chance of Ricochet, not safe to perp.

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