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OC with a CPL in a Casino

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T Vance

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I've read that OCing in a Casino with a CPL is NOT allowed. Why is it that you can OC with a CPL into other PFZ's, but not into a casino?
 
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Carry in casinos is prohibited by a separate law that does not exempt CPL holders. This is both Open and Concealed carry. The only people allowed to carry in casinos are on-duty officers in performance of their duties, as far as I remember.

It's in administrative rules, you can read the rule number in MCL 28.425o.
 
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WARCHILD wrote:
I'm suprised we can carry into a bank.

You can't, in a federal reserve bank.
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The Federal Reserve is no more federal then Federal Express. (Are they all located in states that don't permit carry?) However, given their nature, I wouldn't be surprised to see PFZ signs.
 
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Ummmm... concerning carrying in a casino.......... As far as I know (meaning I could be wrong) all casinos in Michigan are located on land governed by Native American Tribes.

Doesn't Tribal law govern firearms? Doesn't each individual Tribe get to decide what their laws will be?

And... while on Tribal land... Tribal law is the law period?... regardless of Michigan law since Tribal land is not part of the State but is actually part of the Federal/Treaty with the Tribe?

I am aware that Michigan's CPL states a "casino" is off limits to concealed carry... but I suspect... highly suspect... that if a person with a CPL were to try OC in a casino as per Michigan law the Tribal Police would have none of it.

In fact, it is my understanding (again I could be wrong) that Tribal land is tantamount to being a separate country with laws all their own. Hence it would be wise to check with the individual Tribe that owns the land and/or casino before taking any chances with OC anywhere on Tribal land.

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Not just OC on Tribal land but also CC since the individual Tribes don't necessarily recognize Michigan CPL's.
 
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for the federal bank thing...its a federal building right?

from what i know you cant carry in federal buildings.

my local military recruiting centerhas a no weapons/federal building sign
 
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The Federal Reserve is no more federal then Federal Express.

Sorry, that is not correct. There are Federal Reserve Banks and are owned by the government. Most all banks are federal insured banks....not the same. So Federal in their name isn't like federal express.

Also, to the best of my knowledge, the casino in Det.. is not owned or located on any tribal land; therefore not covered by the exemptions of tribal property laws.
 
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Bikenut wrote:
Ummmm... concerning carrying in a casino.......... As far as I know (meaning I could be wrong) all casinos in Michigan are located on land governed by Native American Tribes.
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MotorCity is owned by Marian Illitch, and MGM is owned by MGM Mirage. I think Greektown is still primarily owned by a Native American tribe. There are other casinos in Michigan, Soaring Eagle in Mt. Pleasant, for example, that are owned by Native American tribes.
 
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super_squint wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
Ummmm... concerning carrying in a casino.......... As far as I know (meaning I could be wrong) all casinos in Michigan are located on land governed by Native American Tribes.
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MotorCity is owned by Marian Illitch, and MGM is owned by MGM Mirage. I think Greektown is still primarily owned by a Native American tribe. There are other casinos in Michigan, Soaring Eagle in Mt. Pleasant, for example, that are owned by Native American tribes.
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Ok... I was wrong about all casinos being Native American owned. Not the first, nor will it be the last, time I was wrong about something.:)

However, when talking about OCing in a "casino" it would be a disservice to not mention that there is a vast difference between the laws governing a privately owned casino and a casino owned by a Native American Tribe....

Hence it would be wise to for a person to be darn sure who owns the casino before OCing with a CPL there.
 
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Hence it would be wise to for a person to be darn sure who owns the casino before OCing with a CPL there.
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close. You have to be able to [proove] what is true.

makes no difference if the police, criminals, average citizens, politicians, lawyers, prosecutors, or the board doesnt know the laws, WE have to know the laws.
 
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Bikenut wrote:
Ummmm... concerning carrying in a casino.......... As far as I know (meaning I could be wrong) all casinos in Michigan are located on land governed by Native American Tribes.
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Doesn't matter. The tribes have made agreements with the state to be governed by the administrative rules set forth by the State's agencies.

Besides, carrying on tribal grounds is (IMO) worse than getting nicked for breaking the state administrative rule. Last thing I want is to be subject to their own laws that pay much less mind to the US Constitution.
 
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zigziggityzoo wrote:
Carry in casinos is prohibited by a separate law that does not exempt CPL holders. This is both Open and Concealed carry. The only people allowed to carry in casinos are on-duty officers in performance of their duties, as far as I remember.

It's in administrative rules, you can read the rule number in MCL 28.425o.
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Apparently my google fu is weak.... I just spent a bit of time trying to track down what you referred to and came up with so much stuff it will take me until Tuesday... of January 2054... to hunt it down...
 
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zigziggityzoo wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
Ummmm... concerning carrying in a casino.......... As far as I know (meaning I could be wrong) all casinos in Michigan are located on land governed by Native American Tribes.
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Doesn't matter. The tribes have made agreements with the state to be governed by the administrative rules set forth by the State's agencies.

Besides, carrying on tribal grounds is (IMO) worse than getting nicked for breaking the state administrative rule. Last thing I want is to be subject to their own laws that pay much less mind to the US Constitution.
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It is my understanding... gained from conversations with members of a Tribe (hence heresay and not proven) that running afoul of Tribal law can be......... shall we say.... not good?
 
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