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    Ive heard a few times that cops feel that people are less stressed by them having a gun because they have a badge. They are right! I think we should do the same. If we had a badge on our hips next to our gun people probably wouldnt call 911, and i bet 99% of the places you walked into would not have a problem at all.

    http://www.chiefsupply.com/badge_builder.asp

    im thinking of creating a badge that says something like



    california



    open carry






    (state seal)






    supporter



    DK




    edit: after reading pc 538d and 538e, maybe my badge will read "i am not a government official"


    as i understand this, as long as i never say or act like a cop, im in the clear right?
    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

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    I don't have a citation, but I believe that there are a litany of state and federal laws prohibiting the use of badges.


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    I dunno... That site has a lot of badges that say things like "wife of the chief" or "junior deputy". I understand laws being in place that say you can't act like a cop, but I don't see the government saying you're not allowed to wear a blue uniform or a shiny piece of medal that may or may not resemble one of a peace officer. Even mall security and EMS have badges.
    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

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    Completely legal in CA to carry a badge so long as you never present yourself as a LEO.

    I can see some very specific cases where it might be justifiable, but personally I think of CCW Badges as very Mall Ninja. I suppose my thoughts on an Open Carry badge would end up the same. Sorry, I supose I really should use such a straw-man argument against something that's perfectly legal...

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    Most of the Calif. laws deal for false inpersonation of a LEO with you inferring or acting like a law enforcement officer. If you try to make traffic stops with your "Kojak" red light(yes that really happens), or you order people to do things they normally would not do otherwise, maybe have some kind of uniform on, and they believe you are a law enforcement officer, then it is a crime. Basically, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...then it is a duck ...kind of logic.

    However anybody can wear a badge if they want. Security guards and bail bondsman do it all the time, and they don't have any law enforcement power above the average citizen to make citizen arrest. The badge can not have the words POLICE(man), Sheriff, Detective, OFFICER, federal officer, etc in it.

    I suggest the badge read on top "I Open Carry"

    and on the bottom "US Citizen", with the state seal in the middle.


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    Mjones, I see what you are saying for sure. It is very mall-ninja-like to carry a badge while uocing, but it would be nice to not deal with LEO encounters and business' asking you to leave.
    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

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    oc4ever wrote:
    However anybody can wear a badge if they want. Security guards and bail bondsman do it all the time, and they don't have any law enforcement power above the average citizen to make citizen arrest. The badge can not have the words POLICE(man), Sheriff, Detective, OFFICER, federal officer, etc in it.
    That's weird. I found a 7-point star on fleabay once that said "Security Officer".

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    N6ATF wrote:
    oc4ever wrote:
    However anybody can wear a badge if they want. Security guards and bail bondsman do it all the time, and they don't have any law enforcement power above the average citizen to make citizen arrest.Â* The badge can not have the words POLICE(man), Sheriff, Detective, OFFICER, federal officer, etc in it.
    That's weird. I found a 7-point star on fleabay once that said "Security Officer".
    I believe I have one (7 point star) with Officer on it. When I get home I'll have to check.

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    To those that say that the idea of wearing a badge is "mall ninja", I would tend to agree with regard to CCW. But it seems to me to be quite different for OC, particularly UOC here in California.

    Wearing a badge next to one's sidearm would likely stop all the scared gun-phobic idiots from ever calling 911 on a UOCer. So a UOCer who wears a badge is far more likely to just be left in peace to go about his or her business. In this context it does make sense to me.



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    If you have a Utah CCW, there's nothing wrong with making a badge that says you have one, right? Even if people look at it closely, the uninformed in California would probably assume you're good to go as far as openly carrying a gun on your hip.

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    pingpong wrote:
    If you have a Utah CCW, there's nothing wrong with making a badge that says you have one, right? Even if people look at it closely, the uninformed in California would probably assume you're good to go as far as openly carrying a gun on your hip.
    First of all, Utah law has no bearing here in California.

    Second, it is illegal for Utah concealed firearms permit holders to posses or display any badge, per Utah 76-8-512(3).


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    MudCamper wrote:
    pingpong wrote:
    If you have a Utah CCW, there's nothing wrong with making a badge that says you have one, right? Even if people look at it closely, the uninformed in California would probably assume you're good to go as far as openly carrying a gun on your hip.
    First of all, Utah law has no bearing here in California.
    Yeah, but I wouldn't be CCWing so it doesn't matter. The idea is that uninformed sheeple might be less likely to hassle you because they don't know that a) CCW has nothing to do with UOC and b) there is no reciprocity between UT and CA.

    Second, it is illegal for Utah concealed firearms permit holders to posses or display any badge, per Utah 76-8-512(3).
    That puts a damper in that idea, though...
    Anything similar to FL or AZ?

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    LOL, I think Deputy Battalion Air Raid Warden would be a great UOC badge.

    TURN OFF THOSE LIGHTS NOW!!!!

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    This one is for me.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    This is too good to pass up.:celebrate

    Badges? We don't need no steenkin' badges.

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    The large letters on the badge should say "NOT A COP".
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

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    538d. (a) Any person other than one who by law is given the
    authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses
    the authorized uniform, insignia, emblem, device, label, certificate,
    card, or writing, of a peace officer, with the intent of
    fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently
    inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
    misdemeanor.
    [/b] (b) (1) Any person, other than the one who by law is given the
    authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses
    the badge of a peace officer with the intent of fraudulently
    impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief
    that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor
    punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year,
    by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both
    that imprisonment and fine.
    (2) Any person who willfully wears or uses any badge that falsely
    purports to be authorized for the use of one who by law is given the
    authority of a peace officer, or which so resembles the authorized
    badge of a peace officer as would deceive any ordinary reasonable
    person into believing that it is authorized for the use of one who by
    law is given the authority of a peace officer, for the purpose of
    fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently
    inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
    misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to
    exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars
    ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
    (c) Except as provided in subdivision (d), any person who
    willfully wears, exhibits, or uses, or who willfully makes, sells,
    loans, gives, or transfers to another, any badge, insignia, emblem,
    device, or any label, certificate, card, or writing, which falsely
    purports to be authorized for the use of one who by law is given the
    authority of a peace officer, or which so resembles the authorized
    badge, insignia, emblem, device, label, certificate, card, or writing
    of a peace officer as would deceive an ordinary reasonable person
    into believing that it is authorized for the use of one who by law is
    given the authority of a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor,
    except that any person who makes or sells any badge under the
    circumstances described in this subdivision is subject to a fine not
    to exceed fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000).
    (d) (1) The head of an agency that employs peace officers, as
    defined in Sections 830.1 and 830.2, is authorized to issue
    identification in the form of a badge, insignia, emblem, device,
    label, certificate, card, or writing that clearly states that the
    person has honorably retired following service as a peace officer
    from that agency. The identification authorized pursuant to this
    subdivision is separate and distinct from the identification
    authorized by subparagraph (A) of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of
    Section 12027.
    (2) If the head of an agency issues a badge to an honorably
    retired peace officer that is not affixed to a plaque or other
    memento commemorating the retiree's service for the agency, the words
    "Honorably Retired" shall be clearly visible above, underneath, or
    on the badge itself.
    (3) The head of an agency that employs peace officers as defined
    in Sections 830.1 and 830.2 is authorized to revoke identification
    granted pursuant to this subdivision in the event of misuse or abuse.
    (4) For the purposes of this subdivision, the term "honorably
    retired" does not include an officer who has agreed to a service
    retirement in lieu of termination.
    (e) (1) Vendors of law enforcement uniforms shall verify that a
    person purchasing a uniform identifying a law enforcement agency is
    an employee of the agency identified on the uniform. Presentation and
    examination of a valid identification card with a picture of the
    person purchasing the uniform and identification, on the letterhead
    of the law enforcement agency, of the person buying the uniform as an
    employee of the agency identified on the uniform shall be sufficient
    verification.
    (2) Any uniform vendor who sells a uniform identifying a law
    enforcement agency, without verifying that the purchaser is an
    employee of the agency, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a
    fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).
    (3) This subdivision shall not apply if the uniform is to be used
    solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, video production,
    or a theatrical event, and prior written permission has been obtained
    from the identified law enforcement agency.




    Now the question remains if merely wearing the badge....

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    yelohamr wrote:
    This is too good to pass up.:celebrate

    Badges?Â* We don't need no steenkin' badges.
    My avatar is the answer to this thread. Has been, since before the thread was even posted. :P

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    that PC seems to say you can't ue the uniform, insignia, etc. *of a peace officer*, with the intent of fraudulently... In other words, making a badge that says 'ca uoc' falls in the same category as writng in crayon on a piece of paper 'police officer', and taping it to your back. Correct me if i'm wrong, im on my phone, and i couldnt get through all the above cited PC. but at least the first bold section seems to not apply.

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    dirtykoala wrote:
    Ive heard a few times that cops feel that people are less stressed by them having a gun because they have a badge. They are right! I think we should do the same. If we had a badge on our hips next to our gun people probably wouldnt call 911, and i bet 99% of the places you walked into would not have a problem at all.
    Doesn't this defeat the purpose of OC? Don't you want to get the general public to get use to "regualar" non-LEO citizens carrying handguns for self defense?

    Wearing a badge is counter productive to this.

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    Excuse a Kentuckian barging in but the badge thing is funny to me.

    I am a sworn Corrections Officer and I do have a legitimate badge. HOWEVER.....I go out of my way when not on duty to CONCEAL it whilst open carrying. It is turned inward on my belt.

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    Sometimes I want to go out for public awareness, sometimes I don't. All of the time though I want a means of defense.
    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

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    I make my own holsters and almost everyone of them has a star concho on it. It serves two purposes, decoration and it help holds things together.






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    yelohamr wrote:
    This is too good to pass up.:celebrate

    Badges? We don't need no steenkin' badges.
    LOL I was waiting for that!

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