Open Carry in GOGA (National Parks, San Francisco)

N6ATF wrote:

We may want to vet a particular park ranger. One who we see, sees us but not that we've seen them, looks down at the gun, gets our attention and only shouts a greeting with optional thumbs up, leaves, and we don't get any contact (at least bad contact) from other rangers the rest of the day.

Then we approach this park ranger in extreme confidence, continue the vetting process to determine if they are truly 2A or just had to go to the bathroom that day. If they are pro-2A beyond a reasonable doubt, ask if they would be willing to give us undeniable standing for a civil rights lawsuit, if we sign a hold harmless against suing in personal capacity.

Then the next time we go to the park, we get (e) checked by them, on camera and voice recorder, then go file a 1983 action in federal court with prayers for permanent injunction against all federal officers violating the constitution on behalf of unconstitutional state laws.

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Erm.....

You are...joking...right?

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Sometimes things seem so desperate and unfair that its the only reasonable response to fight dirty.

I've had similar passing fancies, but I had to think hard about whether or not I could ask someone to commit a crime, in order to further my own agenda.

And that just doesn't sit well with me.

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Just FYI Jason Wu was extending me an olive branch, so let's please keep this civil. Yes, it appears that Bigtoe is on to something here, but IMO we (or I) should inform them of this code language and try to proceed in the most diplomatic way possible.

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Is there a statute which requires a CCW holder to present the license to a peace officer when demanded?

I'm thinking I may try my "partially concealed empty holster" trick for this event and see if any park police want to egregiously violate innumerable laws.

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Is there a statute which requires a CCW holder to present the license to a peace officer when demanded?

I'm thinking I may try my "partially concealed empty holster" trick for this event and see if any park police want to egregiously violate innumerable laws.

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If you are stopped for a traffic violation, and you are carrying concealed I think you are required to show your drivers license and CW permit.

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This subdivision does not apply to federal officers of the Bureau of Land Management or the Forest Service of the Department of Agriculture. These officers have no authority to enforce California statutes without the written consent of the sheriff or the chief of police in whose jurisdiction they are assigned. (b) Duly authorized federal employees who comply with the training requirements set forth in Section 832 are peace officers when they are engaged in enforcing applicable state or local laws on property owned or possessed by the United States government, or on any street, sidewalk, or property adjacent thereto, and with the written consent of the sheriff or the chief of police, respectively, in whose jurisdiction the property is situated. (c) National park rangers are not California peace officers but may exercise the powers of arrest of a peace officer as specified in Section 836 and the powers of a peace officer specified in Section 5150 of the Welfare and Institutions Code for violations of state or local laws provided these rangers are exercising the arrest powers incidental to the performance of their federal duties or providing or attempting to provide law enforcement services in response to a request initiated by California state park rangers to assist in preserving the peace and protecting state parks and other property for which California state park rangers are responsible. National park rangers, prior to the exercise of these arrest powers, shall have been certified by their agency heads as having satisfactorily completed the training requirements of Section 832.3, or the equivalent thereof.

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I hate missing out on all the fun!

I love how cops love to respect our rights by molesting us at every turn. Criminey.

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Is there a statute which requires a CCW holder to present the license to a peace officer when demanded?

I'm thinking I may try my "partially concealed empty holster" trick for this event and see if any park police want to egregiously violate innumerable laws.

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Not that I know of. However, unless you prove you're exempt from 12025, you could easily be arrested for violating same.

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CA_Libertarian wrote:

Not that I know of. However, unless you prove you're exempt from 12025, you could easily be arrested for violating same.

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This is true if the police officers somehow know that I am concealing a weapon.

This gets into the total wackiness that is used to classify weapons as visible and concealed. A totally concealed weapon is concealed, a totally visible weapon is not concealed. A weapon that is partially concealed is neither concealed nor visible, and yet, is concealed and visible. Huh?

If I have a partially concealed weapon that I'm openly carrying, I can be charged with having a concealed weapon.
If I have a partially concealed weapon that I am trying to carry concealed, I am loaded open carrying, and I can potentially be charged with 12031 thanks to the recent rewording of the law. I could also lose my (hypothetical) CCW.

Of course, carrying a partially concealed empty holster circumvents all that legal mumbo jumbo since it's totally legal, but invites unlawful intrusions to take place by unethical police officers.

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