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    Mr Sarkozy and associates,
    I am writing to you today to express my dismay and disappointment in Bellevue Police Chief Linda Pillo’s activities at this morning’s public hearing regarding SB6396. She appeared in uniform, yet claimed to be acting as a private citizen expressing her personal opinions. Her appearance at this event in official dress belied her statement, making it appear as if she represented the will of the community to which she should be held accountable. More than simply making statements, she made false statements. I transcribed her statement, you may see it below:

    Good morning senators, my name is Linda Pillo, and although I am the Bellevue police chief, I am here today representing myself and my personal opinions regarding my law enforcement background. Three years ago the international association of the chiefs of police teamed up with Joyce foundation to hold a policy summit identifying ways to reduce gun violence. What resulted was a report recommending common sense strategies. The IACP also recommended law enforcement leaders throughout our nation to take a stand against gun violence and work with their officers and their communities to stop the nearly 30,000 lives that are lost every year to gun violence. This is a number far higher than any other developed country. Since 1990, more American lives have been lost to gun violence than in all the combats fought during the 20th century. One of the recommendations that came out of the IACP summit was to reduce the availability and lethality of firearms to criminals. And FBI analysis found that 41 of the 211 law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between 1991 and 2008 were killed with weapons that can be defined as assault weapons. Because of current restrictions on the release of ATF trace data, it's impossible to know how many assault weapons are used today. But we do know that just three months ago, Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton was shot to death and officer Brett Sweeny was injured by a killer using an assault weapon. Another dramatic example of why assault weapons should be banned happened back in 1997 when _ten_ Los Angeles officers were injured during a bank robbery. The officers were _completely_ outgunned because the suspects were using assault weapons. This example shows how quickly a killer can spray a lethal volley of bullets using this type of weapon. Another horrific incident happened in 2002 when a sniper held citizens in Washington DC under seize, randomly killing ten, and critically injuring three, during a twenty day killing spree. Assault weapons can also easily be converted to fully automatic machine guns. Every time a shooting occurs, law enforcement is called. Officers risk their lives to protect their community. Since October, six officers are dead and two are injured from gun fire. I've never experienced so much gun violence in all my 31 years that I've served. I'm heartbroken that these brave public servants are no longer with us protecting their communities. I urge you to support this bill as one way to help protect our officers and our community. Law enforcement officers cannot do it alone, we need elected officials to act in the overall public interest and help reduce gun violence in Washington state. Thank you very much for your time.

    First, if she is not appearing in an official capacity, why does she repeatedly mention her duty as a police officer, the IACP summit, and associated things which all lend the impression she’s speaking officially? Second, she speaks out against “assault weapons” then makes false correlations to other events such as the 1997 LAPD shootout. The criminals in that shootout did not use “assault weapons” as are being discussed in this legislation. Third, the “assault weapon” used by the DC sniper was fired only once per attack, and would have been effective regardless of the rifle used. Fourth, officer Timothy Brenton’s death, while tragic as the rest of the circumstances, was also not carried out with an assault weapon, but a sporting rifle. Moreover, only a single round fired in that incident was needed to kill Brenton, so the restrictions she supports would have done nothing to affect the outcome, and any other kind of rifle used would have been just as effective in that incident.

    It appalls me that the police chief in this city has appeared in such a fashion on public record. I have been personally harassed by the department under her watch, and received an apology from Bellevue Police Legal Advisor Kyle Aiken after that incidence. Today’s testimony shows further unprofessionalism in the BPD, and I implore you to take immediate action punishing officer Pillo in the same fashion any other officer beneath her would be in a similar circumstance. Her behavior, including blatant misrepresentation on the public record as a public official, is inexcusable, and should be dealt with accordingly.

    Sincerely,


    *edit* fixed some errors prior to sending
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    Wow. Even MY inner grammar nazi is appeased! Excellently written.

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    That sounds good. Hope you hear something positive as a result!

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    Very cammendmentable.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    amzbrady wrote:
    Very cammendmentable.
    Intentional misspelling of commendable?
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    Do you want us to send the message too? If so,post the email address. Let's give 'em ...........you know what I mean.

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    _ten_ Los Angeles officers were injured during a bank robbery. The officers were _completely_ outgunned because the suspects were using assault weapons. This example shows how quickly a killer can spray a lethal volley of bullets using this type of weapon.
    ...which were fully automatic weapons that this law doesn't even address! How more blatant a disingenuous play on public ignorance and hysteria can you make?



    Assault weapons can also easily be converted to fully automatic machine guns.
    *cough**********cough*

    Because of current restrictions on the release of ATF trace data, it's impossible to know how many assault weapons are used today.
    I ... AM ... A ... BRADY ... BOT ...

    Since October, six officers are dead and two are injured from gun fire.
    And none of the Lakewood officers were shot by a firearm that would be affected in the slightest by this law.

    Listening to her testimony was not calming.

    I missed the very beginning, did any of the commenters mention that this is a blatant violation of the WA Constitution?

    I transcripted her statement
    "transcribed"

    Third, the sniper in DC was not using an “assault weapon” either.
    If you go by the collection of cosmetic features this law uses to yet again redefine that term, yes, he was.

    Fourth, officer Timothy Brenton’s death, while tragic as the rest of the circumstances, was also not carried out with an assault weapon.
    While the SU16 does not have a pistol grip or a flash hider/muzzle brake/other eeevil black barrel ballast, the bipod when folded closed could possibly be considered a barrel shroud that "substantially encircles" the barrel. It's all still ********, though.

    Moreover, only a single round was fired in that incidence,
    "incident"

    Only one round? Then how was officer Sweeny wounded?


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    What is the e-mail for Sarkozy?

    I found it

    ssarkozy@bellevuewa.gov



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    Trigger Dr wrote:
    What is the e-mail for Sarkozy?
    http://www.bellevuewa.gov/city-manager.htm
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    John Hardin wrote:
    I ... AM ... A ... BRADY ... BOT ...




    Third, the sniper in DC was not using an “assault weapon” either.
    NO ........ I ... AM ... A ... BRADY ... BOT ... LOL.

    She didnt do herself justice by using the DC shootings, how many shot, in how many months, with how many bullets?

    I still cant get over Ralph Fallacies comment on how there were more shooting in Washington than Iran and Iraq put together. Did I hear that right?
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    I would ad that she USED TAXPAYERS MONEY TO:

    1) Drive her taxpayer issued vehicle (not very green btw)

    2) Wear her taxpayer issued uniform

    3) Wear her taxpayer issued semi automatic sidearm

    3) Use taxpayer time. (unless she proves otherwise that she was on a scheduled day off)
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    John Hardin wrote:
    I transcripted her statement
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    Third, the sniper in DC was not using an “assault weapon” either.
    If you go by the collection of cosmetic features this law uses to yet again redefine that term, yes, he was.

    Fourth, officer Timothy Brenton’s death, while tragic as the rest of the circumstances, was also not carried out with an assault weapon.
    While the SU16 does not have a pistol grip or a flash hider/muzzle brake/other eeevil black barrel ballast, the bipod when folded closed could possibly be considered a barrel shroud that "substantially encircles" the barrel. It's all still bull@#$%, though.

    Moreover, only a single round was fired in that incidence,
    "incident"

    Only one round? Then how was officer Sweeny wounded?
    Hell, after transcribing the whole thing, I was surprised there were only a couple errors in my letter. Tiiiiired... Started out with "I wrote a transcript" and changed to "transcripted" then removed "wrote a" ... *doh*

    I thought the DC sniper used a bolt action. Hm... Looking it up it appears to be a bushmaster .223. Learn something new every day.

    Should have worded that differently. "A single round was all it took to kill Brenton." Eh, tis okay, point still stands that >50% is BS.
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    This is my letter to Hizzonor.

    critique if you will.

    Mr Sarkozy,

    I am writing this in reference to the testimony given by Chief of Police Linda Pillo regarding SB6396.

    I fully support the right of Chief Pillo to speak out in support of, or against any bill that is up for public testimony.

    However, it is not the province of law enforcement to editorialize against the rights of law abiding citizens. If officers have objections to lawful activity, they should contact their state legislator on their off duty time and not use the color of authority behind their badges and uniforms to stifle the right to bear arms as enumerated in our States Constitutions Article 1 Section 24.

    Chief Pillo's appearance, in uniform, and references to the International Association of Chiefs of Police, strongly suggest to the general public that she is acting as a spokesperson for law enforcement in general. I can tell you unequivocally, she does not speak for me, or any of the law enforcement personnel of my acquaintance

    On the other hand, I, as a retired, career Law Enforcement Officer and former judge, find it reprehensible that she would use her position and uniform to push her own agenda. If any officer in her, or any other police department, were to participate in this manner, they would be disciplined immediately. Her actions border upon official misconduct, and are deserving of an official letter of reprimand at the minimum. She is an embarrassment to the law enforcement officers of this state and nation.

    Below is a transcript of her mistake ridden testimony.

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    Awesome letters. I was hoping Trigger would weigh in too as a former LEO.
    Perfect coming from Tawnos too being a "subject" of Bellevue.

    I am sure we can look forward to seeing any correspondence you guys have?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Great letters guys. And thanks to those who went to Olympia. These things always seem to happen when I can't make it and it really torques my shorts.
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    Tawnos wrote:
    John Hardin wrote:
    I transcripted her statement
    "transcribed"

    Third, the sniper in DC was not using an “assault weapon” either.
    If you go by the collection of cosmetic features this law uses to yet again redefine that term, yes, he was.

    Fourth, officer Timothy Brenton’s death, while tragic as the rest of the circumstances, was also not carried out with an assault weapon.
    While the SU16 does not have a pistol grip or a flash hider/muzzle brake/other eeevil black barrel ballast, the bipod when folded closed could possibly be considered a barrel shroud that "substantially encircles" the barrel. It's all still bull@#$%, though.

    Moreover, only a single round was fired in that incidence,
    "incident"

    Only one round? Then how was officer Sweeny wounded?
    Hell, after transcribing the whole thing, I was surprised there were only a couple errors in my letter. Tiiiiired... Started out with "I wrote a transcript" and changed to "transcripted" then removed "wrote a" ... *doh*

    I thought the DC sniper used a bolt action. Hm... Looking it up it appears to be a bushmaster .223. Learn something new every day.

    Should have worded that differently. "A single round was all it took to kill Brenton." Eh, tis okay, point still stands that >50% is BS.
    Hey, whadda you know, I was so tired I forgot to send the message. Fixed the above before sending. Win
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    Her reply:
    Thank you for your communication regarding my testimony Tuesday in Olympia.

    I would like to reiterate that my testimony reflected my personal opinion on the bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee. My comments did not reflect the official position of the City of Bellevue. In fact, the City has not taken one on that specific legislation. I had hoped I made that clear, but it is obvious from comments I received that because I wore my uniform while testifying I may have given the impression I was speaking for the City. I was not, and I apologize for the confusion.
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    My response
    Officer Pillo,
    Not only did you choose to engage in making public, supposedly personal, comments while in uniform, you made inaccurate comments for the purpose of depriving citizens in this state their lawful right to keep and bear arms. I pointed those out in my letter to Mr. Sarkozy, but I will restate them here for your educational benefit. First, you stated the following regarding the 1997 LAPD shootout:
    Another dramatic example of why assault weapons should be banned happened back in 1997 when _ten_ Los Angeles officers were injured during a bank robbery. The officers were _completely_ outgunned because the suspects were using assault weapons.
    This is false on more than one level. The suspects in this case were using assault rifles[/i], not “assault weapons,” an important difference. An assault rifle is a select-fire, intermediate-caliber firearm; it is capable of fully-automatic fire. Moreover, and more importantly, the criminals in the North Hollywood shootout were wearing full-body aramid, and the duty 9mm pistols and 12ga shotguns were inadequate to penetrate this defense. Additionally, officers were facing armor-piercing ammunition and lacked appropriate armor within their vehicles. These three factors are important, because not a single one is addressed by the proposed bill you’re supporting with this example.

    Second, you mentioned the DC sniper and the havoc it caused. Shooting one round at a time over the course of 26 days, what difference does semi-automatic status or magazine capacity make? The bill proposes to ban AR-15 rifles, but hunting rifles of greater caliber and power are not addressed, and they would be just as capable, if not moreso, than an AR-15 in that circumstance. In fact, the state of Washington disallows the use of AR-15 and other cartridges chambered in .223 for big-game hunting, as there is too big of a risk of wounding, without killing, such large animals. Why, then, would you support the legislated removal of these firearms when there are more effective ones that would not be addressed? Finally, Tim Brenton’s death was another case where a restriction on the particular firearm would not have effectively prevented the incident, and another type would have been even more effective.

    Additionally, you state that “assault weapons can also be easily converted into fully-automatic machine guns.” This is not true, and even if it were, it is already illegal by both Washington and US federal law. Certainly, there are certain modifications or failures that can occur that cause repeat-fire. However, unlike a fully-automatic assault rifle, the simple modifications easily cause slam-fire operation of the firearm – uncontrollable repeated firing with high risk of out-of battery detonation.

    Despite these misconceptions and misrepresentations, though, the worst part of this is that you misapply the very purpose of our state’s constitution. You claimed to support the second amendment (a fact which bears no weight unless McDonald v. Chicago[/i] incorporates the second among the states), but would deny the people of this state arms that don’t fit into your “common sense strategies.” In Federalist Paper 28, Hamilton wrote the following:

    If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo. The smaller the extent of the territory, the more difficult will it be for the people to form a regular or systematic plan of opposition, and the more easy will it be to defeat their early efforts. Intelligence can be more speedily obtained of their preparations and movements, and the military force in the possession of the usurpers can be more rapidly directed against the part where the opposition has begun. In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance.

    Additionally, Madison wrote in #46:

    To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

    If you truly supported the second amendment, as you so claim (in response to Senator Roach, you stated this: “I completely agree with you about the second amendment rights”), you would not only oppose the “assault weapons bill,” but would work to restore military parity to the citizens of this country. This means that you would not make a boogeyman of automatic weapons, but acknowledge that any tool in the hands of a capable and determined person has the capacity for tragedy. Seeing this, you would work with your fellow citizens to retain and/or regain their rights such that the people’s civil servants do not turn into their dominant masters. The founders of our country made very clear the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms: as a check against tyranny, whether from a single criminal attempting to deprive you of your life, liberty, or property, or a government that has gone so far in forgetting its place that it tries to do the same. Through the continued vigilance of those of us who still value this liberty, we hope never to face a situation similar to Iran, where an arms-deprived citizenship faced an illegitimate government, but stood no chance.

    I hope never to see you testifying in such a manner again, but respect your right as a *private citizen* to do so.
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    Tawnos wrote:
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    Thank you for your communication regarding my testimony Tuesday in Olympia.
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    I would like to reiterate that my testimony reflected my personal opinion on the bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee.* My comments did not reflect the official position of the City of Bellevue. In fact, the City has not taken one on that specific legislation.* I had hoped I made that clear, but it is obvious from comments I received that because I wore my uniform while testifying I may have given the impression I was speaking for the City.* I was not,* and I apologize for the confusion.

    Sorry. Nonsense meter going off.

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    Tawnos, Do you really think she understood a word you wrote?

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    Excellent work by all of those who contacted the City of Bellevue. Unfortunately, I don't think that the police chief and city administrators have the intellectual capacity to think beyond 2-second sound bites. Let me suggest a course of action that the police chief will understand:

    1) Concerned tax payers showing up at city council meetings requesting budget cuts for salaries of police officers.

    2) Concerned minorities showing up at city council meetings alleging discriminatory conduct by the police chief against blacks/asians/latinos/whites/American Natives/{fill in the blank}.

    3) Concerned citizens showing up at city council meetings demanding full audits of mis-allocation of funds controlled by the the police chief.

    4) Concerned citizens showing up at city council meetings demanding full audits of slow response times by patrol officers to requests for assistance for 911 calls.

    5) A private telephone call or visit by someone to clue the police chief in that this is all happening in response to her unprofessional actions in Olympia, contrary to the best interests of the citizens who pay her salary.

    What will happen in response, is that she will bitterly complain far and wide to her police chief friends across the country about how the "evil" gun rights activists "unfairly" tried to scuttle her career as a response to her political activities.

    This will represent a learning opportunity for other police chiefs (not only in Washington, but throughout the country) who may be tempted to repeat her mistake.

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    I wonder if the letter would have been more affective addressed to the mayor concerning his chief of police?
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    Senator Roach is sending a letter to the Mayor and each member of the City Council.

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    FWIW - - This "chief" may have claimed to appear to testify as a private citizen but that's not how it was reported over here on the dry side:

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...s-mixed-revie/

    Most of the 20 posted comments are opposed to the bill (Mark_L's was particularly eloquent, IMHO).

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    Ummm didn't you guys write her boss? So they are trying to sidestep the issue by having her give a (to borrow from Workman) nonsense answer? Sounds to me like Sarkozy and her are now trying to sidestep any censure that would apply to her.

    Good post Lammo, that just proves what the intended purpose was despite her claims.

    Plus she mentioned meeting with the international police chiefs, (who the hell cares what police in other countries feel we should do). If she wasn't there in an official capacity why bring this up.

    I would demand a response from the person you wrote the letters too. Just like when you get bad customer service from any employee, you ask for the manager and no longer have to deal with that employee. There is always a bigger boss. Who is the Mayor? He/she might be interested in what is going on in their department.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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