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    My church 'Calvary in Midland'is having a Wild Game Dinner Feb 20th They're open for vendors I thought MI OC would like todo an info tableAlso don't forget the Midland Gun Show April 24th

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    ajelias wrote:
    My church 'Calvary in Midland'is having a Wild Game Dinner Feb 20th They're open for vendors I thought MI OC would like todo an info tableAlso don't forget the Midland Gun Show April 24th
    IS this in the church and if so do we have permission to carry firearms?
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    missed th last wild game dinner sounds good if we can oc

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    Ajelias edited out the, can OC at both part. So, I'm guessing carry will not be permitted.

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    Was hoping Sqltables or Viper would be interested in manning the table I'm checking for permission It is not in the church It's in the christian school gym owned by the church Pastorok's even vendors that want to sell guns So stay tuned I'll let ya all know Wild game is prepared by a professional chef

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    Gun show OC is fine I'm checking on the dinner

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    Sounds interesting keep us posted.

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    Will do Waiting for word from pastor I am getting the feeling that he will say no OC I will then ask if CC is ok

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    Well I had a hunch that the pastor would say no to OC He did I asked about CC and he said he prefers that no one carrys I am sorry guys and gals but sure hope you will concider an info table anyway I understand that Sheridans from Saginaw are comming and a retired DNRofficer is going to speak Trying to get Joe Gungun shop from Sanford to set up too Looking for a taxidermist to set up Tables for displaysare free Dinner is 14.00 dollars each Well worth it as the wild game is professionally prepared

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    That's very unfortunate. I was hoping for a different response.

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    Are we going to do this?

    Pros:
    *Free table.
    *Exposure to a lot of people who's lives involve firearms, with the chance to reach a few who may carry the message forward. Even the possibility of reaching someone who would tell someone who would carry the message. Word of mouth. The best advertising on the planet.
    *Inexpensive dinner. Wild game, at that. These things are almost always loaded with incredible food, and better conversation. Not to mention door prizes, silent auctions, speeches, etc.(usually) Worth going to even if only to eat the food.

    Cons:
    *No carry.

    That's a big con. It sucks, but really, don't you think the potential to reach more people outweighs that?

    Are we guns snobs, or are we activists?
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    I completely agree with the Pro's being quite good..

    However.. Would you go to a First Amendment demonstration where they prohibited some forms of speech?

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    PilotPTK wrote:
    I completely agree with the Pro's being quite good..

    However.. Would you go to a First Amendment demonstration where they prohibited some forms of speech?
    I am afraid I have to agree.
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    ajelias wrote:
    Well I had a hunch that the pastor would say no to OC¬* He did¬*¬* I asked about CC and he said he prefers that no one carrys¬* I am sorry guys and gals but sure hope you will concider an info table anyway¬* I understand that Sheridans from Saginaw are comming and a retired DNR¬*officer is going to speak Trying to get Joe Gun¬*gun shop from Sanford to set up too¬* Looking for a taxidermist to set up¬*¬* Tables for displays¬*are free¬*¬* Dinner is 14.00 dollars each¬* Well worth it as the wild game is professionally prepared
    that's a shame. If he will deny people the ability to carry then I will have to deny the invite. I hope others do as well. I guess this "pastor" never read Luke 22:36

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    PilotPTK wrote:
    I completely agree with the Pro's being quite good..

    However.. Would you go to a First Amendment demonstration where they prohibited some forms of speech?
    To further the cause? YES. It WILL have an impact. If I am in town, I'll volunteer. That is, of course, if I am allowed to by the organization.
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    No one is going to tell you that you cannot go... it just comes down to the fact that MOC as an organization can only do so many things anyway and might choose to do events where carry is allowed... What individual members do is their business...


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    autosurgeon wrote:
    No one is going to tell you that you cannot go... it just comes down to the fact that MOC as an organization can only do so many things anyway and might choose to do events where carry is allowed... What individual members do is their business...

    Yes, I know I could go and "show and tell" as an individual, but I will respect MOC and the use of the logos, and paperwork, etc.
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    Taurus850CIA wrote:
    PilotPTK wrote:
    I completely agree with the Pro's being quite good..

    However.. Would you go to a First Amendment demonstration where they prohibited some forms of speech?
    To further the cause? YES. It WILL have an impact. If I am in town, I'll volunteer. That is, of course, if I am allowed to by the organization.
    You're absolutely right. it will have an impact, and it will make a statement. It will make a statement that you are willing to suspend your rights in return for gain, and it will make a statement that you support organizations who would deny you your rights.

    Obviously, being a free society, you are more than welcome to go and share and eat a nice meal. I simply choose to avoid any place that expects me to give up my right to self defense - even if that particular place provides benefit to me.

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    PilotPTK wrote:
    Taurus850CIA wrote:
    PilotPTK wrote:
    I completely agree with the Pro's being quite good..

    However.. Would you go to a First Amendment demonstration where they prohibited some forms of speech?
    To further the cause? YES. It WILL have an impact. If I am in town, I'll volunteer. That is, of course, if I am allowed to by the organization.
    You're absolutely right. it will have an impact, and it will make a statement. It will make a statement that you are willing to suspend your rights in return for gain, and it will make a statement that you support organizations who would deny you your rights.

    Obviously, being a free society, you are more than welcome to go and share and eat a nice meal. I simply choose to avoid any place that expects me to give up my right to self defense - even if that particular place provides benefit to me.

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    I would get some personal gain from it. I would enjoy a nice meal, and good conversation. You have to consider the effects far down the road, though.

    Consider this:
    You show up to inform people of the right to carry openly. It is in a PFZ, which is also private property. One stipulation is that you not carry. Go about your business speaking with folks, conveying information. A lot of these people will be those who attend on a weekly basis. You turn several non-believers into believers. They start talking among themselves, and eventually approach the "presiding official" about carrying on the property. He gives them permission based largely on the fact that you decided to show up despite the fact that not carrying is against your belief. In doing so, you have demonstrated a level of respect that many people are lacking. It tells him that you are not the typical media hyped, right wing, extremist gun nut. Next time, he may allow CC, or even OC at the same event. Everything we do, everything we discuss, everything we decide, especially here on this forum, has an impact on our image, and ultimately our goal.
    I'm saying, don't throw away an opportunity because you have to sacrifice a little something. We can't make all our gain without pain. The benefits potentially outweigh the negatives by a long shot.

    If you're truly hungry, you'll eat what's within reach.
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    Taurus850CIA wrote:
    PilotPTK wrote:
    Taurus850CIA wrote:
    PilotPTK wrote:
    I completely agree with the Pro's being quite good..

    However.. Would you go to a First Amendment demonstration where they prohibited some forms of speech?
    To further the cause? YES. It WILL have an impact. If I am in town, I'll volunteer. That is, of course, if I am allowed to by the organization.
    You're absolutely right. it will have an impact, and it will make a statement. It will make a statement that you are willing to suspend your rights in return for gain, and it will make a statement that you support organizations who would deny you your rights.

    Obviously, being a free society, you are more than welcome to go and share and eat a nice meal. I simply choose to avoid any place that expects me to give up my right to self defense - even if that particular place provides benefit to me.

    Ben
    I would get some personal gain from it. I would enjoy a nice meal, and good conversation. You have to consider the effects far down the road, though.

    Consider this:
    You show up to inform people of the right to carry openly. It is in a PFZ, which is also private property. One stipulation is that you not carry. Go about your business speaking with folks, conveying information. A lot of these people will be those who attend on a weekly basis. You turn several non-believers into believers. They start talking among themselves, and eventually approach the "presiding official" about carrying on the property. He gives them permission based largely on the fact that you decided to show up despite the fact that not carrying is against your belief. In doing so, you have demonstrated a level of respect that many people are lacking. It tells him that you are not the typical media hyped, right wing, extremist gun nut. Next time, he may allow CC, or even OC at the same event. Everything we do, everything we discuss, everything we decide, especially here on this forum, has an impact on our image, and ultimately our goal.
    I'm saying, don't throw away an opportunity because you have to sacrifice a little something. We can't make all our gain without pain. The benefits potentially outweigh the negatives by a long shot.

    If you're truly hungry, you'll eat what's within reach.
    But if I have my gun with me then I'll just go hunting and kill my own food and I'll never be hungry.

    Just messing with ya Taurus

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    Taurus you are correct The pastor grants the ok to CC on a person to person basis I carry all the time to church because he knows me well and hasgiven his approval He has no problem with carrying firearms but needs to know the person before granting permission to them Lets take one step at a time

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    Taurus, how about meeting Ajelias's pastor somewhere "off site" so you can try reason with him. Show him that open carriers are not all loonitunes. Maybe you could get "prior approval to CC" and then attend the event without suspending your rights. I don't have a problem with your approach, but I lean more toward Piolot's viewpoint ...
    Ben said, "You're absolutely right. it will have an impact, and it will make a statement. It will make a statement that you are willing to suspend your rights in return for gain, and it will make a statement that you support organizations who would deny you your rights.

    Obviously, being a free society, you are more than welcome to go and share and eat a nice meal. I simply choose to avoid any place that expects me to give up my right to self defense - even if that particular place provides benefit to me."
    springerdave.

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    Generaldet wrote:
    If you're truly hungry, you'll eat what's within reach.
    But if I have my gun with me then I'll just go hunting and kill my own food and I'll never be hungry.

    Just messing with ya Taurus

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    ajelias wrote:
    Well I had a hunch that the pastor would say no to OC He did I asked about CC and he said he prefers that no one carrys I am sorry guys and gals but sure hope you will concider an info table anyway I understand that Sheridans from Saginaw are comming and a retired DNRofficer is going to speak Trying to get Joe Gungun shop from Sanford to set up too Looking for a taxidermist to set up Tables for displaysare free Dinner is 14.00 dollars each Well worth it as the wild game is professionally prepared
    The same blood that was spilt to give us the right to carry our guns is the same blood that gives the church the right to deny the carry of guns. Let's respect that.

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    I'll pick up the tab for dinner for some one wanting to man an info table

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