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    The Wells Fargo Bank at "431 39th Avenue Southwest Puyallup, WA. 98373" asked me to conceal carry after I asked him the policy about open carry in the bank.

    The weird part of it was that his Supervisor was there that day. He went up to her and pulled her in a back room and talked with her for about 3 mins and came back out and told me to not open carry because he would have to call the cops. ???

    As far as me carrying that day. I was not. I didn't even own a pistol at the time. But, I hear about others on the board going into there banks and open carrying. I want to also now that I have my pistol.

    I was just wondering if this is some sort of law? Can we open carry in banks in pierce county?

    If not does anyone know the current RCW or Pierce County Code?

    There is that damn code thing again. I know the preemption law overrides any code.

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    Banks are private property. They can pretty much make up their own rules. If they ask you to conceal then you pretty much have to. If you don't, they can ask you to leave. Since you haven't broken any laws that's all they can so. If you refuse to leave then they will call the cops to remove you, if you return you COULD be charged with trespass.

    I OC all the time into my bank WAMU/Chase. They've never said anything to me.
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    I OCed in Chase just outside south hill mall on tuesday, no one said anything.

    My first time OCing in a bank and nervous.

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    Crypto wrote:
    The Wells Fargo Bank at "431 39th Avenue Southwest Puyallup, WA. 98373" asked me to conceal carry after I asked him the policy about open carry in the bank.

    The weird part of it was that his Supervisor was there that day. He went up to her and pulled her in a back room and talked with her for about 3 mins and came back out and told me to not open carry because he would have to call the cops. ???

    As far as me carrying that day. I was not. I didn't even own a pistol at the time. But, I hear about others on the board going into there banks and open carrying. I want to also now that I have my pistol.

    I was just wondering if this is some sort of law? Can we open carry in banks in pierce county?

    If not does anyone know the current RCW or Pierce County Code?

    There is that damn code thing again. I know the preemption law overrides any code.
    I know this has been said many times.

    DO NOT ASK PERMISSION, for a right you already have.You already have the right by law. Do not ask permission, just go about your normal daily business, be polite, courteous and armed.

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    I oc into my bank all the time. It is BOA, and they have never even mentioned it, tho since I don't go in there much anymore, what with direct deposit and online banking, myu face is not as familiar. New folk will often give me the stink-eye until they get used to the scene. If something were mentioned, I know the bank manager, so it would end well, but it hasn't come to that.
    I think appearance has at least something to do with it. Why would an old guy with a military looking haircut come in, fill out paperwork on the counter, stand in line looking at the cameras, and greet the tellers by name, then do some kind of harm? I think that keeps even the suspicious on their heels....

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    Agree with gogodawgs. Stop asking permission before you OC somewhere. Just go in and take care of your business. Chances are, if you let them know (ask) ahead of time, most likely they will tell you they prefer you not OC, or simply not to come to their business. It just doesn't make sense to ask first.
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    Three times for a charm. Asking permission is asking to be denied. I do understand being nervous about it though.

    And no they don't have to call the police.

    Anybody have Wells Fargo's policy? I have carried a few times in there with no problem.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I was told once upon a time that it is easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. Go there first, they probably won't even notice your sidearm. If they do, the worst they can do is ask you to leave.
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    I asked to be polite I guess. Everyday I walk into that bank. The manager and I talk. So, its kinda like we are friends but we don't ever talk outside of those meetings in the bank. He is a nice guy. So, I thought it would be better if I ask his policy about open carry inside his bank that he runs everyday. He told me to conceal carry. So, I will do as he says just because I don't want our relationship to go south because of it.

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    I asked to be polite I guess. Everyday I walk into that bank. The manager and I talk. So, its kinda like we are friends but we don't ever talk outside of those meetings in the bank. He is a nice guy. So, I thought it would be better if I ask his policy about open carry inside his bank that he runs everyday. He told me to conceal carry. So, I will do as he says just because I don't want our relationship to go south because of it.

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    Crypto wrote:
    I asked to be polite I guess. Everyday I walk into that bank. The manager and I talk. So, its kinda like we are friends but we don't ever talk outside of those meetings in the bank. He is a nice guy. So, I thought it would be better if I ask his policy about open carry inside his bank that he runs everyday. He told me to conceal carry. So, I will do as he says just because I don't want our relationship to go south because of it.
    Did you ask if it was corporate policy or just for permission?

    I was in a rush, and wore my holster in before I was comfortable with my bank, I was asked by someone I had opened accounts with and had a very friendly banking relationship with. "Is that a holster", I told him yes I normally carry openly everywhere but since I didn't know what his banks policy was and I was in a hurry I didn't today, by the way do you know your corporate policy?"

    He said he assumed no, but was now curious and would look it up. He called me less than hr. later to say hey you are good to go we follow state law.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I went into the BoA in Port Orchard Safeway,and was told by the cashier,in no uncertain terms that I could not carry in there. I opened my wallet, extracted the cards from my 4 accounts and said "will you get the manager, I want to close these accounts" The manager quickly straightened out the newby teller.

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    Trigger Dr wrote:
    I went into the BoA in Port Orchard Safeway,and was told by the cashier,in no uncertain terms that I could not carry in there. I opened my wallet, extracted the cards from my 4 accounts and said "will you get the manager, I want to close these accounts" The manager quickly straightened out the newby teller.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I open carry at my bank once a week. They knew me by name before I turned 21 and started carrying. They have never said anything.

    The mistake you made: You asked about policy.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    Trigger Dr wrote:
    I went into the BoA in Port Orchard Safeway,and was told by the cashier,*in no uncertain terms that I could not carry in there. I opened my wallet, extracted the cards from my 4 accounts and said "will you get the manager, I want to close these accounts" The manager quickly straightened out the newby teller.
    If I tried that they would probably say, "Here, take you $4.73 and go!"* :?
    HAHA They would ask me to make a deposit to bring my balance to $0 and tell me that they will miss giving me overdraft charges.
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    joeroket wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    Trigger Dr wrote:
    I went into the BoA in Port Orchard Safeway,and was told by the cashier,in no uncertain terms that I could not carry in there. I opened my wallet, extracted the cards from my 4 accounts and said "will you get the manager, I want to close these accounts" The manager quickly straightened out the newby teller.
    If I tried that they would probably say, "Here, take you $4.73 and go!" :?
    HAHA They would ask me to make a deposit to bring my balance to $0 and tell me that they will miss giving me overdraft charges.
    I got you both beat but I'm not going there......lol.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    "If you owe the bank a thousand dollars, you have a problem.

    If you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank has a problem."
    So, SVG, are we talking the-bank-has-a-problem territory? :-)


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    kparker wrote:
    "If you owe the bank a thousand dollars, you have a problem.

    If you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank has a problem."
    So, SVG, are we talking the-bank-has-a-problem territory? :-)
    I wish. LOL. Well hmmm if you count my house. Nope still not that much.

    I actually don't have any personal accounts and haven't for awhile. My business one was closed do to inactivity.


    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Did you ask if it was corporate policy or just for permission?
    It was alittle of both. I asked him what the policy was.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    Part of what we do is to show that it is perfectly normal for an American to have the means available to protect themselves. We typically don't ask permission of business owners prior to engaging in activity in their business that is perfectly normal.

    It's hardly normal to open carry a firearm in a bank.

    Very few people actually do it.

    I see nothing intrinsicallywrong with asking for a company's policy beforehand. It can bereasonable not to ask, too. Depends on a few things...




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    HankT wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    Part of what we do is to show that it is perfectly normal for an American to have the means available to protect themselves. We typically don't ask permission of business owners prior to engaging in activity in their business that is perfectly normal.

    It's hardly normal to open carry a firearm in a bank.

    Very few people actually do it.

    I see nothing intrinsicallywrong with asking for a company's policy beforehand. It can bereasonable not to ask, too. Depends on a few things...


    hold on, i run a $3million business... i pay for an armored truck service but occasionally i have to make a deposit or get money for the business....

    i open carry carrying a big bag of money and I have seen other people do so as well....

    I have found it more common at a bank than elsewhere...


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    gogodawgs wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    Part of what we do is to show that it is perfectly normal for an American to have the means available to protect themselves. We typically don't ask permission of business owners prior to engaging in activity in their business that is perfectly normal.

    It's hardly normal to open carry a firearm in a bank.

    Very few people actually do it.

    I see nothing intrinsicallywrong with asking for a company's policy beforehand. It can bereasonable not to ask, too. Depends on a few things...


    hold on, i run a $3million business... i pay for an armored truck service but occasionally i have to make a deposit or get money for the business....

    i open carry carrying a big bag of money and I have seen other people do so as well....

    I have found it more common at a bank than elsewhere...

    What percentage of the bank's customers who come in would you estimate openly carry a gun (non-LE)?

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    NavyLT wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    Part of what we do is to show that it is perfectly normal for an American to have the means available to protect themselves. We typically don't ask permission of business owners prior to engaging in activity in their business that is perfectly normal.
    It's hardly normal to open carry a firearm in a bank.

    Very few people actually do it.

    I see nothing intrinsicallywrong with asking for a company's policy beforehand. It can bereasonable not to ask, too. Depends on a few things...
    hold on, i run a $3million business... i pay for an armored truck service but occasionally i have to make a deposit or get money for the business....

    i open carry carrying a big bag of money and I have seen other people do so as well....

    I have found it more common at a bank than elsewhere...
    You DO realize that you are responding to HankT, don't you?

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    Theres another trap here, on the first page:

    "the bank is private property"

    No it isnt. Not as defined by RCW - criminal trespass and AGO 2008#8:

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/opinion.aspx?s...e&id=21188
    (See "original page 5):

    " [Original Page 5] It has been suggested that such a prohibition on the possession of firearms on city property might be enforced through the state’s criminal trespass laws. RCW 9A.52.070 governs first degree criminal trespass and provides:

    (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building.

    (2) Criminal trespass in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor.

    RCW 9A.52.080 governs second degree criminal trespass and provides:

    (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises of another under circumstances not constituting criminal trespass in the first degree.

    (2) Criminal trespass in the second degree is a misdemeanor.

    A person “enters or remains unlawfully” when a person is “in or upon premises when he is not then licensed, invited, or otherwise privileged to so enter or remain.” RCW 9A.52.010(3). It is a defense to criminal trespass if the “premises were at the time open to members of the public and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining in the premises”. RCW 9A.52.090(2) (emphasis added)."

    2008 # 8 is not controlling law here, but cites it. RCW 9A.52.070

    The Bank is open to the Public. It is "held out to Public use" There is NO RESTRICTION at LAW on carrying into a Bank lobby, that is NOT a place on the RCW list of restricted areas:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300

    READ IT AND TELL ME WHERE IT SAYS "BANK"

    This notion that the Bank is private is also contrary, more or less, to pre-emption, it attempts to make another class of place that is restricted. A BANK LOBBY/PUBLIC TELLER AREA IS NOT RESTRICTED UNDER RCW.

    There are WAY too many people posting OPINION on this BBS that is contrary to LAW and LIBERTY.

    Beware of them, there are political activists that go around doing this deliberately.

    PS I carry into my bank, its my bank, my money and they know theyll LOSE THOSE DEPOSITS at the first complaint. I did offer the courtesy to Management (without being required to do so) that I was carrying since they have a special interest in security.

    From OP:

    "The Wells Fargo Bank at "431 39th Avenue Southwest Puyallup, WA. 98373" asked me to conceal carry after"

    They can ask you to put a stick in your butt and whistle Dixie, but you don't have to. They do not make law. Their "request" is EXACTLY that unless you are their EMPLOYEE, which you apparently are not.

    " I was just wondering if this is some sort of law? Can we open carry in banks in pierce county?"

    There is no "Pierce County" That implies that Pierce County has its own firearms laws that are more restrictive than the State and Pre-emption says all laws in the State SHALL NOT be more restrictive, and based on the above Opinion and Laws, they cannot stop you.

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    Capn Camo:

    I see you are enthusiastic and well intentioned but for some reason your posts remind me of Brad Pitt's character in 12 Monkeys.

    When you are in your face and rant over and over again nobody is going to listen to the point you are trying to get across. Settle down a little be open for discussion and not so demonstrative and confrontational.

    We have discussed the private property thing over and over again and again. They can ask you to do anything they want, you do have the right not to comply, if it isn't a "protected right" they have the right to have you leave if you refuse you can be trespassed from their private property, if again you disobey these wishes you can be charged criminally.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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