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    I can't make the meeting tonight

    I mentioned this to VCDL President Philip Van Cleave last night (so a fix may be in the works already) but maybe one of you all with a military backgroundcan go to theMilitia, Police, and Public Safety Sub. Com. #1 meeting at 5 PM tonight can stand up and briefly suggest and explain the following fix to Del. Nutter's HB 995:

    REPLACE the text "a current or retired military officer identification card from any branch of the United States Armed Forces" at lines 67-68 in HB 995 with the following text previously drafted LAST YEAR by legislative services for Del. Lingamfelter's initial version of HB1851 at lines 69-70:

    "a United States Department of Defense photo identification card establishing active duty or reserve [or retired] military status"

    RATIONAL: The term "officer" has a very narrow military meaning and would be construed to exclude the vast majority of military service members the patron intends to enfranchise, all of whom must be a US Citizen or permanent resident alien in order to become a military service member of any rank.
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    NOTE 1: To the patron's credit, he seeks to enfranchise military retirees - that's good so I suggested same in brackets above.

    NOTE 2: Just an FYI to keep in mind - for purposes of buying guns from dealer in Virginia, An "Assault firearm" means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of theoffense with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by themanufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock." Typically these are going to be long gns so non-residents can buy them, but need the extra piece of paper under VA law for the so claled "assault firearms.'

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    Mostly good things happened at the sub-committee meeting.

    HB 995 was passed by for a week to improve the language.

    Yata hey

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    From 2/28/10 VaAlert:

    The Militia, Police, and Public Safety subcommittee met tonight and
    vetted and then voted on a bunch of gun bills.

    Delegates Lingamfelter, Griffith, Nutter, and Wright, all Republicans,
    voted pro-gun. Delegate Keam, a Democrat, voted mixed - supporting
    some pro-gun bills and some anti-gun bills. Keam seemed genuinely
    interested in learning more about the whole gun debate.

    We had a good turnout, with lots of people wearing GSL stickers. The
    antis were there as well.

    Here is the status of the bills. Note: the bills that passed out of
    the subcommittee will be voted on by the full committee next Friday.

    HB 8, Carrico, allows CHPs to be renewed by mail. STRONGLY SUPPORT:
    Passed 4 to 0!

    HB 26, Wright, clarifies that Circuit Court Clerk can only ask for
    certain information from CHP applicants and nothing more. STRONGLY
    SUPPORT: Passed 5 to 0!

    HB 52, Cole, sets the penalty for not having your CHP with you when
    carrying concealed to a $25 civil penalty (not a crime), and that
    penalty can be waived by the Court upon presentation of your CHP.
    SUPPORT: Passed 5 to 0, but was also referred to Courts of Justice to
    have the bills' wording tweaked.

    HB 79, Lee Ware, block Circuit Court Clerks from giving our CHP
    information except to police for legitimate police purposes. It will
    keep newspapers from printing CHP holder's names and addresses.
    STRONGLY SUPPORT: Passed by 4 to 0 with 1 abstention!

    HB 108, Cole, requires localities to auction off guns purchased in a
    "buy-up". STRONGLY SUPPORT: Passed 4 to 1, with a pro-gun amendment!

    HB 109, Cole, repeals a law allowing counties to require the reporting
    of handgun sales. STRONGLY SUPPORT: Not heard, I believe (I had to
    step out of the room to talk to the press)

    HB 152, O'Bannon, lets electronic security employees carry concealed
    with a CHP when working. STRONGLY SUPPORT: Killed by a 5 to 0 vote

    HB 171, Pogge, allows a person to have a firearm in their locked
    vehicle while on private property, including the parking lot of a
    person's employer. The bill also legally immunizes the employer from
    the misuse of such a firearm. STRONGLY SUPPORT: Not heard this week

    HB 637, Armstrong, waives the CHP fee for designated US Coast Guard
    boarding members. NEUTRAL: Passed by a 5 to 0 vote.

    HB 684, Jackson Miller, makes carrying a butterfly knife concealed
    illegal. OPPOSE: Passed by for the week so the bill could be
    improved. The committee didn't like adding butterfly knives as a
    concealed weapon generally and they are working on some other
    qualification - such as one with a very long blade.

    HB 870, Cline, removes the option for a locality for fingerprint new
    CHP applicants. STRONGLY SUPPORT: Passed by 4 to 0 with 1 abstention!

    HB 871, Cline, clarifies that a person has the right to an ore tenus
    hearing under certain circumstances if the CHP is denied. STRONGLY
    SUPPORT: Passed by until next week.

    HB 879, BaCote, allows firearms to be banned in a library by local
    ordinance. STRONGLY OPPOSE: Killed by a 5 to 0 vote!

    HB 885, Athey, allows a person to have a concealed handgun in a
    private car or boat if secured in a container or compartment.
    STRONGLY SUPPORT: Passed by a 3 to 1 vote with 1 abstention!

    HB 995, Nutter, allows military ID or a CHP to be used as proof of
    citizenship for purchase of an "assault firearm." STRONGLY SUPPORT:
    Passed by for a week to improve the language.

    HB 1092, Crockett-Stark, allows retired law enforcement officers to
    carry anywhere they go. NEUTRAL: Passed by a 5 to 0 vote, with
    wording to be improved before the full committee votes on it.

    HB 1151, Iaquinto, makes carrying a butterfly knife concealed
    illegal. OPPOSE: This bill was rolled into HB 684.

    HB 1191, Griffith, allows the Circuit Court Clerk to be authorized by
    a judge to issue CHPs. STRONGLY SUPPORT: Passed by for the week for
    wording improvements

    HB 1209, Ward, requires the State Police to be notified of change of
    address of a machine gun owner or change of location of the machine
    gun. STRONGLY OPPOSE: Passed by for the week.

    HB 1210, Loupassi, allows judges to carry concealed wherever they may
    go. NEUTRAL: Killed by a 3 to 2 vote.

    HB 1234, McClellan, gun show bill, requires private sales be done
    through a dealer and puts other burdens on the gun show promoter.
    STRONGLY OPPOSE: Killed by a 4 to 1 vote!! Good coverage on local
    Richmond TV. Same baloney from anti-gunners and same outcome. Anti-
    gun Richmond Mayor spoke for the bill. A reporter asked me what I
    thought might happen with the Senate version of the bill. I said it
    was the same bill as was just killed and if it passed the Senate it
    would go to this same subcommittee. I pointed out that Einstein said
    insanity could be defined as doing the same thing twice in a row and
    expecting a different result. ;-)

    HB 1256, P.J. Miller, widens the number of retired police officers who
    qualify to carry concealed without a CHP. NEUTRAL: Passed by a 5 to
    0 vote.

    HB 1257, P.J. Miller, allows a retired law-enforcement officer to
    purchase their duty gun for $1 (maybe we just need to pay our
    officers better) NEUTRAL: Passed by a 5 to 0 vote.




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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Look who showed up




    and if that wasn't bad enough



    Grape Shot was on top of things though.





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    peter nap wrote:
    Look who showed up




    and if that wasn't bad enough



    Grape Shot was on top of things though.



    You see who has the "sour grape" look and who does not - right?

    Certain people must not have been happy in the way events were unfolding.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    The after meeting dinner



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    Lingamfelter was about as good a friend as we had last night. He rolled over the Richmond Chief.



    There was a lot of participation last night. Our own TFred made some darned good points and it appeared the committee took what he said very seriously.

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