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tygereye

tygereye

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JeffSayers wrote:
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS @#$%?

A house divided cannot stand. I either missed the attacks made against Warchild here or they went over my simple head. What I do know though is this is BS. We are a damn team here people. Each and every one of us needs to recognize the valuewe allbring to table here or we are doomed right now. Sell your guns and fall down on your knees and worship Obama type doomed.

The writting is on the wall, will you erase it or add to it?
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+ 1000!

I to have noticed a change in the posting of this site, and do not post very often anymore either. I hope this changes in the near future, as we will not succeed if we are not together.

I hope Warchild, that you will eventually post some more, as you have some very wise advice, and great knowledge of the cause.
 
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manicdevery

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tygereye wrote:
I hope Warchild, that you will eventually post some more, as you have some very wise advice, and great knowledge of the cause.
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I hope so as well. i have only had the honor of meeting with you once in person but have been following your post ever since i joined this forum. you are one of the minds that keep me on this forum. i hope to see you in the future.

Devery
 
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ghostrider wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
Mike.. I was speaking in general terms and not specifically the Lansing incident using the general reference of a "restaurant" because it is so fresh in everyone's minds. If that isn't clear in my post I apologize for being unclear.

However, I don't have to be at the scene of an incident to extrapolate the possible impact of that scene.

Tell me please... exactly what impression do you think the patrons of the Lansing Ponderosa took home with them? A positive one? Do you think any of them even knew what happened? Or what rights were involved?

Who is the OC movement about? You? Me? The police? The public? Sidearms? Long guns? Rights?

Or is the movement really about educating all of the above about all those things?

I know who I'm trying to reach when I OC. And I know what message I am trying to get across. And it isn't about me and my rights. It is about informing the public that everyone has the same rights.

By the way... there are plenty of postings that I find insulting... but rather than get my pride all up in a bunch I prefer to address the topic of discussion.

Of course this is a free country... :D
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Mike's post was in response to your comment about the AR. You've been saying that the issue is the AR, but the reality is that that just isn't so. It wasn't about the AR. What happened in Lansing was the result of a Manager who most likely was using his position to try to cause trouble for the group. The police hardly acknowledged the AR, and the public in general had quite the positive response to it. Chris was standing on the corner with only one other person when people drove by honking and waving in support. If anything, it was just the opposite of what you seem to imagine happened. I find it quite fascinating that you continue to insist that the rifle was a problem when it's obvious (especially to everyone who was there) that the rifle was not the problem. If any guns were a problem at those events, then it was "any" guns, and the rifle is now being used as an excuse.

Why is it you are so persistent in not accepting that the AR was not a problem?
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Funny... I never mentioned an AR...until just now... I spoke about long guns.. and, until Mike's post, I didn't even specify the Lansing incident.

Interesting how it is so easy to read into a post what one wants to see.

I did point out that if the purpose of MOC and OC in general is to educate and desensitize the public then some thought is needed before deciding to carry a long gun, or even a side arm, into where ever one wishes. Thought geared more to whether or not the goal of making OC (of anything legal eventually) will be advanced... or harmed.

Just because I am advocating spending some time thinking before engaging in what is perfectly legal and perfectly within our (did anyone notice I said our?) rights as to how that action may affect the overall goal some folks seem to think I'm some kind of anti rights fool.... and I fully understand Warchild's frustration with posting in the forum.

The point I'm trying so hard to make isn't one about whether or not Kimberguy has the right to carry an AR where ever he wishes... or any of us have that right. The point isn't even about Kimberguy... or any of us for that matter.

The point is whether or not the things we do in the places we do them at the time they are done will further the goal of making OC accepted by the public.

And that includes the things we do here on the forum too.
 
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Haman J.T.

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Everyone on this forum has their own opinions,so lets not give up on expressing our own.We must exercize our freedoms in whatever form we are able and accept that everyone does not have total wisdom and understanding.We get enough of those who do not understand their God Given rights as expressed in our founding documents,which are written for the common man to understand, as I believe it was stated by Jefferson.Never give up!A house divided cannot stand! We need everyones voice HERE!We're adults,we can handle anything! God Bless the U.S!
 
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Warchild, I am sorry that you perceived my responses to you posts to be "personal" attacks. I'm sorry that they hurt you. I'm sorry that anything I could have posted on an internet forum would bother you so much that you would want to abandon your principles and convictions to the point of resigning from a position in an organization outside of this forum.

I thought for a while that it was just me that was hard on you in response to some of the things you've posted in various threads here. It became obvious though to me that I'm not the only one though as evidenced by the direction this thread wandered off into.

While it started praising you for your laudable undertakings, it diverted to the same type of antagonistic argument that I was supposed to be the perpetrator of.

I would hope and pray that you can find it in your heart to return to the spirited debate that is so necessary for the evolution and growth of this fledgling group.

Without dissenting opinion there can be no challenge to trim the excess of our wayward paths.

I have received a few PMs from members expressing a need for me to be less "abrasive". I will make every attempt to do so, as it appears that this is the cause for your "retreat" to the sidelines of OCDO.

Please come back to OCDO.
 
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CV67PAT wrote:
Warchild, I am sorry that you perceived my responses to you posts to be "personal" attacks. I'm sorry that they hurt you. I'm sorry that anything I could have posted on an internet forum would bother you so much that you would want to abandon your principles and convictions to the point of resigning from a position in an organization outside of this forum.

I thought for a while that it was just me that was hard on you in response to some of the things you've posted in various threads here. It became obvious though to me that I'm not the only one though as evidenced by the direction this thread wandered off into.

While it started praising you for your laudable undertakings, it diverted to the same type of antagonistic argument that I was supposed to be the perpetrator of.

I would hope and pray that you can find it in your heart to return to the spirited debate that is so necessary for the evolution and growth of this fledgling group.

Without dissenting opinion there can be no challenge to trim the excess of our wayward paths.

I have received a few PMs from members expressing a need for me to be less "abrasive". I will make every attempt to do so, as it appears that this is the cause for your "retreat" to the sidelines of OCDO.

Please come back to OCDO.
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Well said Sir!

And I join you in the sincere request for Warchild to return to the forum and add his wisdom to the mix.:)
 
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Spirited debate is great, but the tearing down of another because of differing opinions is just wrong. The fictitious Joe Friday said, "Just the facts, ma'am." "All we want is the facts". All that other stuff is 4th grade playground crap. Just my opinion. I'll be glad to see the bitter stuff end. Distention is what our enemies are counting on. They cannot stop us by legal means. The REAL law is on our side(if they are really watching you, is it paranoia?). I fear that they will feed upon any division and will use the lame stream media to bolster their opposition. Gentlemen, start the debate.springerdave.
 
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Generaldet wrote:
Warchild, I'm glad that you reconsidered. You have been a long time contributing member before many of us were even on the forum. We appreciate your work and efforts. I am behind you!
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Same here!! You are appreciated!!!
 
WARCHILD

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A BRIEF FINALE:
After a recent conversation and a long review,

I have decided to resign my post as Sgt. at Arms, for sure.
No reconsiderations, no further thoughts on this issue.

The premise of an apology entails admission of guilt. Since there has been no admission of guilt, only stating “the challenge of an opinion” and no personal attacks;
There can be no acceptance of an apology if there is no guilt acknowledged.

Members can decide for themselves;

me, I personally just don’t care who thinks / says what.

I have a clear mind and can go about my way as before.
Over the course of the next few days I will attempt to remove as much of my existence here as possible.
Stay Safe, Carry On

CV67PATCV67PAT
WARCHILD wrote: I meant no sarcasm in my post....Bull$hit

Nothing personal, my mistake

CV67PAT But some jack ass wanted to be a smart ass

Nothing personal, my mistake

CV67PATPosted: You were simply being a smartass.

Nothing personal, my mistake
CV67PATPosted: CV67PAT- I think you should lay off the Viagra & Enzyte cocktail.

Nothing personal, my mistake

CV67PAT 30 years "employed" in the post office and he's an expert on post office rules/regs/laws?
Your claim not mine….mymistakeI asked for a cite. And when I got one I asked what official purpose was.
No you asked about OSHA regs. my mistake

I'm the one that got the smartass response from the "expert".
Your claim not mine… my mistake
 
Michigander

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We are growing now a lot faster than ever. Gone are the days where a select few of us would OC and be considered by most to be lunatics on a short lived mission. We are here to stay, and our cause is growing fast.

With this growth comes more people, and with more people comes more view points, some of them rude and uncalled for, and many fundamentally different. The bigger the community, the less polite it will be. This is part of life.

If this happening to our group bothers someone, the options are to leave, or to stay and throw your input in to make things better. Personally, I hope Jerry steadfastly does the latter. It would be a great loss for this group of people to loose his sense of courtesy and good judgment.
 
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WARCHILD wrote:
A BRIEF FINALE:
After a recent conversation and a long review,

I have decided to resign my post as Sgt. at Arms, for sure.
No reconsiderations, no further thoughts on this issue.

The premise of an apology entails admission of guilt. Since there has been no admission of guilt, only stating “the challenge of an opinion” and no personal attacks;
There can be no acceptance of an apology if there is no guilt acknowledged.

Members can decide for themselves;

me, I personally just don’t care who thinks / says what.

I have a clear mind and can go about my way as before.
Over the course of the next few days I will attempt to remove as much of my existence here as possible.
Stay Safe, Carry On

CV67PATCV67PAT
WARCHILD wrote: I meant no sarcasm in my post....Bull$hit

Nothing personal, my mistake

CV67PAT But some jack ass wanted to be a smart ass

Nothing personal, my mistake

CV67PATPosted: You were simply being a smartass.

Nothing personal, my mistake
CV67PATPosted: CV67PAT- I think you should lay off the Viagra & Enzyte cocktail.

Nothing personal, my mistake

CV67PAT 30 years "employed" in the post office and he's an expert on post office rules/regs/laws?
Your claim not mine….mymistakeI asked for a cite. And when I got one I asked what official purpose was.
No you asked about OSHA regs. my mistake

I'm the one that got the smartass response from the "expert".
Your claim not mine… my mistake
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http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/35664-1.html
 
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khicks

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warchild, your opinion matters to us

i wasat mcrgo years ago, now mcrgo no longer has a forum, do to all the flame wars that went on there, packing dot org, the same thing there, and the same problem at mgo's as well as here. it looks to me when a pro gun/ pro carry site gets a good foot hold in this state, starts getting good press in the news Media, it self destructs.

members start flaming one another and there is no stop to it, :banghead:until the pro gun site falls apart.

WE ALL NEED TO STEP BACK FOR A SECOND AND THINK BE FOR WE POST.

their may be peopleposting here that are trying to shut this site down like the rest
 
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scot623

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As one of the newest paying members of MOC I have to say this forum is becoming a bit embarrasing. When my friends and family ask me where to go for more information on OC, am I supposed to send them here to scroll through Jr. Highschool bull@#$% bickering? This is supposed to be a place to educate and relay our experiences OCing. Debate is neccesarry and leads to a better forum. But any personal remarks/attacks are completely unneccesary and make our entire organization look bad. Freedom of speech is important, but when it is in print for the whole world to see...you'd like to think we will all choose our words carefully. We are all judged by them.
 
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