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    You betcha!



    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...son_buste.html



    An irate StatenIsland mom blasted a grade school principal Wednesday for treating her son like a pint-sized Plaxico Burress after he brought a 2-inch-long toy gun to school.

    "This principal is a bully and a coward, and needs to be held accountable," said Laura Timoney, 44, after her teary fourth-grader was nearly suspended for playing with the tiny toy at lunch.

    "The school should be embarrassed. This is a common-sense issue."

    Patrick Timoney, 9, was terrified when he was yanked into the principal's office to discuss the teeny-weeny plastic "weapon."

    "The gun was so little," the boy said. "I don't understand why the principal got so upset. I was a little nervous. They made me sign a statement."

    Patrick and a friend were playing with Lego figures in the school cafeteria on Tuesday when he pulled out the faux machine gun and stuck it in the hands of his plastic police officer.

    Boom! Trouble ensued, with Patrick's mom getting a phone call from Public School 52 Principal Evelyn Mastroianni saying her son had somehow gone from straight A's to the NRA.

    "I was in disbelief," the still-fuming mother said. "Why didn't anyone step up with an ounce of common sense and put an end to the harassment of my child?"

    Timoney said her boy loved the toy figure because her husband is a retired police officer.

    The elder Patrick Timoney, a former 72nd Precinct cop, couldn't believe his son was nearly busted over something so obviously inauthentic.

    "It's a 2-inch gun," he said. "She went overboard. She should have said, 'Put the toys away,' and that would have been the end of it."

    After a meeting between the principal and the parents, the boy was spared any disciplinary action. City school officials said Patrick agreed to leave the "gun" at home.

    "I'm never bringing a toy to school again," said Patrick, whose favorite subject is math.

    Laura Timoney remained upset. Her son, a typically eager student, asked to stay home yesterday because he thought the principal was mad at him.

    The mother said she expects an apology and may sue.

    "The toy gun is not the issue," she said. "A lack of common sense is the issue."

    Her boy's Lego man was toting a tiny ax, which the principal deemed less threatening.

    "It's ridiculous," said O'Rieley, 36. "He felt so bad for his friend. They're taking things way too far ... No one is saying guns are okay.

    "Come on, it's a Lego."

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    hp-hobo wrote:
    You betcha!



    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...son_buste.html



    An irate StatenIsland mom blasted a grade school principal Wednesday for treating her son like a pint-sized Plaxico Burress after he brought a 2-inch-long toy gun to school.

    "This principal is a bully and a coward, and needs to be held accountable," said Laura Timoney, 44, after her teary fourth-grader was nearly suspended for playing with the tiny toy at lunch.

    "The school should be embarrassed. This is a common-sense issue."

    Patrick Timoney, 9, was terrified when he was yanked into the principal's office to discuss the teeny-weeny plastic "weapon."

    "The gun was so little," the boy said. "I don't understand why the principal got so upset. I was a little nervous. They made me sign a statement."

    Patrick and a friend were playing with Lego figures in the school cafeteria on Tuesday when he pulled out the faux machine gun and stuck it in the hands of his plastic police officer.

    Boom! Trouble ensued, with Patrick's mom getting a phone call from Public School 52 Principal Evelyn Mastroianni saying her son had somehow gone from straight A's to the NRA.

    "I was in disbelief," the still-fuming mother said. "Why didn't anyone step up with an ounce of common sense and put an end to the harassment of my child?"

    Timoney said her boy loved the toy figure because her husband is a retired police officer.

    The elder Patrick Timoney, a former 72nd Precinct cop, couldn't believe his son was nearly busted over something so obviously inauthentic.

    "It's a 2-inch gun," he said. "She went overboard. She should have said, 'Put the toys away,' and that would have been the end of it."

    After a meeting between the principal and the parents, the boy was spared any disciplinary action. City school officials said Patrick agreed to leave the "gun" at home.

    "I'm never bringing a toy to school again," said Patrick, whose favorite subject is math.

    Laura Timoney remained upset. Her son, a typically eager student, asked to stay home yesterday because he thought the principal was mad at him.

    The mother said she expects an apology and may sue.

    "The toy gun is not the issue," she said. "A lack of common sense is the issue."

    Her boy's Lego man was toting a tiny ax, which the principal deemed less threatening.

    "It's ridiculous," said O'Rieley, 36. "He felt so bad for his friend. They're taking things way too far ... No one is saying guns are okay.

    "Come on, it's a Lego."

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    I think the Mother's statements pretty well cover it.

    Government employees everywhere are seeking out their positions specifically to abuse them. School Employees being the worst, as they seek children as their prey.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Zero tolerance policies = zero accountability for the decisions schooladministrators make = zero common sense.

    A 16 year old girl can get suspended or expelled (applying the zero tolerance policy)for taking Midol or Tylenol to school with her, for bringing...<gasp>...DRUGS to school...yet that same 16 year old girl can walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion with no parental notification required...

    ....it's beyond ridiculous...it's absolutely absurd!


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    hp-hobo wrote:
    ...home yesterday because he thought the principal was mad at him.
    Only because he is unable to articulate his feeling more completely... One more reason why it is safe to attack children...

    I'm not sure anything pisses me off more than grown adults attacking children just because some sick, evil 'authority' has granted them immunity in doing it.

    OK, maybe that so-called 'authority' pisses me off more....

    I wonder how cowed this child will be, for fear of making authority figures 'mad' at him? What will the long-term effects of this formative assault be?

    It is one thing to accost an adult under color of authority, but a child in formative years who looks up to these people... The damage is immeasurable. I'd have this bitch's head if she did that to my kids. It's bad enough they are kidnapped every day and hauled away to be 'educated.'
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    This illustrates one of many reasons why my five kids are homeschooled. Imagine having to deal with people like that on a daily basis. Life's too short.

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    fully_armed_biker wrote:
    Zero tolerance policies = zero accountability for the decisions schooladministrators make = zero common sense.

    A 16 year old girl can get suspended or expelled (applying the zero tolerance policy)for taking Midol or Tylenol to school with her, for bringing...<gasp>...DRUGS to school...yet that same 16 year old girl can walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion with no parental notification required...

    ....it's beyond ridiculous...it's absolutely absurd!
    I could not have said this better.


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    LeagueOf1291 wrote:
    This illustrates one of many reasons why my five kids are homeschooled. Imagine having to deal with people like that on a daily basis. Life's too short.
    Good for you. I would bet your children will grow up better adjusted and equipped to deal with life.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    As long as us taxpayers continue to fund socialist professors at all of our colleges and university's this is the mindset we will see in our public school teachers/administrators and it won't go away until they are gone out of our schools. Passing good laws and rescinding bad laws is a good and needed step but the attitude will not go away and they will endeavor to pass on their fears of weapons in general and guns in particular to every student they can while the students are in their care and can be influenced.

    Last time I got this mad was when Marie Morrow the Denver High school girl was kicked out of school for having dummy drill team rifles in the backseat of her car. Same paranoid mindset and complete lack of common sense and disregard for legal rights.
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    NY School system at it's finest! Its just a continuation of its philosophy of being defenseless. I went to school in New York. I can tell you how horrible they can be. While in the second grade, I was attacked by another young man with a plastic spork. He scratched up half my face, but since I fought back and defended myself we both got in trouble. If it wasn't for my mother becoming irate, I would have been suspended along with the other boy.
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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    fully_armed_biker wrote:
    Zero tolerance policies = zero accountability for the decisions schooladministrators make = zero common sense.

    A 16 year old girl can get suspended or expelled (applying the zero tolerance policy)for taking Midol or Tylenol to school with her, for bringing...<gasp>...DRUGS to school...yet that same 16 year old girl can walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion with no parental notification required...

    ....it's beyond ridiculous...it's absolutely absurd!
    I could not have said this better.

    How about some states where guidance counselors can take under aged girls across state lines during school hours for abortions, never telling the parents? VA has parental notification so that wouldn't happen here thank God! (Unless the big O signs the FOC act nullifying all and any restrictions on abortion)

    The "good" school administrators are terrified of any lawsuits. The "bad" school administrators view this as advancing their zero-intellect agenda. The same problems exist where children wearing shirts with Christian themes are sent to the principals office to call home for a change of clothes or told to turn them inside out. The same schools won't let a kindergartener draw a picture of Jesus or display it.

    Our society is trying to emasculate men into bumbling dads on tv where men or boys are portrayed as idiots& bufoons. Taking normal "male" oriented games like cops & robbers or cowboys & indians away from kids short-circuits future combat soldiers and police officers. We have been Oprah-fied and need to inject some testosterone back into the system.

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    Well in Canada they would have called the SWAT team.
    This is ridiculous, and too many parents don't take a stand and demand that their employees should be held just as accountable as if this would have happened at a private school.

    Oh yea Unions.....sigh.
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    wtf
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    Fight them every step of the way

    I fought the school district here, it took a year and a lot of money but they changed their disiplinary policy, bussed my child to a different Jr High School for the balance of the year and erased his school records. More people need to fight thye problem is that it takes more money than most people can spend. It started out with the school district being very smug and stating no one wins in court against us and ended with them saying why is this guy doing this to us. They just dont get it. I camevery close to being arrested several times during the process, the Sheriffs dept also had to hear from my lawyer.
    Throw me to the wolves and I will come back leading the pack.

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    Orphan wrote:
    Fight them every step of the way

    I fought the school district here, it took a year and a lot of money but they changed their disiplinary policy, bussed my child to a different Jr High School for the balance of the year and erased his school records. More people need to fight thye problem is that it takes more money than most people can spend. It started out with the school district being very smug and stating no one wins in court against us and ended with them saying why is this guy doing this to us. They just dont get it. I camevery close to being arrested several times during the process, the Sheriffs dept also had to hear from my lawyer.
    +1 For doing what's right.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I hope she does sue, and I hope she wins. That is extremely ridiculous!
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

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    A toy gun is a.....................................TOY! (not a gun)
    A drawing of gun is a...........................DRAWING! (not a gun)
    A pointed finger imitating a gun is a......FINGER! (not a gun)
    The word "gun" is a.............................WORD! (not a gun)

    The Principal of PS 52 is a.................... ?


    Some people clearly lack critical thinking skills. How is it that they end up in the jobs they have?

    I guess they are hired and promoted by the same kinds of people who have a hard time understanding what the phrase "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means.

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    45acpForMe wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    fully_armed_biker wrote:
    Zero tolerance policies = zero accountability for the decisions schooladministrators make = zero common sense.

    A 16 year old girl can get suspended or expelled (applying the zero tolerance policy)for taking Midol or Tylenol to school with her, for bringing...<gasp>...DRUGS to school...yet that same 16 year old girl can walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion with no parental notification required...

    ....it's beyond ridiculous...it's absolutely absurd!
    I could not have said this better.

    How about some states where guidance counselors can take under aged girls across state lines during school hours for abortions, never telling the parents? VA has parental notification so that wouldn't happen here thank God! (Unless the big O signs the FOC act nullifying all and any restrictions on abortion)

    The "good" school administrators are terrified of any lawsuits. The "bad" school administrators view this as advancing their zero-intellect agenda. The same problems exist where children wearing shirts with Christian themes are sent to the principals office to call home for a change of clothes or told to turn them inside out. The same schools won't let a kindergartener draw a picture of Jesus or display it.

    Our society is trying to emasculate men into bumbling dads on tv where men or boys are portrayed as idiots& bufoons. Taking normal "male" oriented games like cops & robbers or cowboys & indians away from kids short-circuits future combat soldiers and police officers. We have been Oprah-fied and need to inject some testosterone back into the system.

    <How did that soapbox get under my feet?>
    Did you know that these sort of societal "modifications" were what caused France to capitulate to Germany in 1940 in just six short weeks? France had more men in arms and more artillery than did Germany. But after WWI, France, like many European countries, had suffered huge losses. They turned passive. So rather than promote and support the natural tendencies of her young boys to be boys and do boy things, she began social engineering them to be passive and sensitive. Germany, on the other hand, did the opposite (do you think it's because they lost??).

    When France was attacked by Germany, the French had lost that one thing that is irreplaceable - the will to fight. Germany occupied France for the next four years as a result of her national stupidity.

    Hitler was right about one thing. If you go to war, go in with both feet to win. George Washington quoted the famous Latin dictum which says, "if you love peace, prepare for war". I would add to that in order to guarantee peace, it must be common knowledge among nations that to risk war with the U.S. is to risk certain annihilation.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Did you know that these sort of societal "modifications" were what caused France to capitulate to Germany in 1940 in just six short weeks? France had more men in arms and more artillery than did Germany. But after WWI, France, like many European countries, had suffered huge losses. They turned passive. So rather than promote and support the natural tendencies of her young boys to be boys and do boy things, she began social engineering them to be passive and sensitive. Germany, on the other hand, did the opposite (do you think it's because they lost??).

    When France was attacked by Germany, the French had lost that one thing that is irreplaceable - the will to fight. Germany occupied France for the next four years as a result of her national stupidity.

    Hitler was right about one thing. If you go to war, go in with both feet to win. George Washington quoted the famous Latin dictum which says, "if you love peace, prepare for war". I would add to that in order to guarantee peace, it must be common knowledge among nations that to risk war with the U.S. is to risk certain annihilation.
    We've lost our liberties incrementally, and each succeeding generation has just gotten used to the status quo. We must each individually take the responsibility to teach our family, friends, and neighbors to value liberty. But you can't value what you don't understand, so we must educate them about what liberty is.

    At a bare minimum it begins with an understanding that every abdication of responsibility by the individual to the state is a loss of liberty. The question then becomes, what liberties are we willing to forsake?

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    NY2AZ wrote:
    NY School system at it's finest! Its just a continuation of its philosophy of being defenseless. I went to school in New York. I can tell you how horrible they can be. While in the second grade, I was attacked by another young man with a plastic spork. He scratched up half my face, but since I fought back and defended myself we both got in trouble. If it wasn't for my mother becoming irate, I would have been suspended along with the other boy.
    it is the same here in Iowa also.. My daughter is in high school, and one of her friends had to defend herself. Both were suspended, arrested, and both charged with disorderly conduct.


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