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    bite to eat? im hungry ! just came back from scheels, bought a new blackhawk serpa for my Xd, and 100rds of ammo

    around sparks? reno?

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    nobody? coffee? food? anyone?

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    Ditch the SERPA, will only lead to bad things, a complete POS.

    I would but I'm in LV man.

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    going to buffalo wild wings with some friends, more than welcome to come, 338 0109

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    how are they a POS?> and what would you suggest then?>

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    Mike,I am up for anything you can get together.My son and I will be there,we are not far from Reno in Cartoon City. Keep us posted.

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    I am sitting at the bar at buffalo wild wings waiting for friends to show, come by if you would like to I'm not carrying tonight fyi

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    Dangerfish wrote:
    Ditch the SERPA, will only lead to bad things, a complete POS.

    I would but I'm in LV man.
    Please tell us of the bad things.

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    Yes please do! I like the locking mechnism of the serpa, and it came with the paddle for the hip and the belt loop paddle, with a lifetime warrt, can't beat it

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    There have been reports of incidents concerning the Serpa lock mech. Several training companies won't allow them because of this.

    To deactivate the lock you push with the trigger finger if continueing to push with the finger during the draw it can cause the finger to go immediately into the trigger guard. This could or has caused discharge of the weapon. I believe most incidents have been with Glocks considering the lack of safety beyond placing the trigger finger in firing position. Springer XDs are no different because the other safety was removed by the gripping of the gun. It's really about training but still after review I don't like it and wouldn't use one.

    My REAL problem with the holster is it's PLASTIC. I don't give 2 $%^& what "they" call it it's plastic. I prefer leather. IMO it's smother better looking conceals better by molding into the body and . I know OC but hey if it gets the gun in tighter and feels better doesn't matter if I CC or OC. It's about fit and feel. THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. Some people might criticise me for no retention system on my holsters whether I CC or OC.

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    hmm strange, i was thinking about doing some draw drills, and practicing a little before i put some rounds through my xd, i do like the locking feature the serpa has, i was at scheels looking at holsters, i can always take it back and try something else?

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    hmm strange, i was thinking about doing some draw drills, and practicing a little before i put some rounds through my xd, i do like the locking feature the serpa has, i was at scheels looking at holsters, i can always take it back and try something else?

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    Here in Vegas we don't go to buffalo wild wings because they posted a note on the door saying they are a gun free zone.



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    oh that sucks, i read something about that too, i so i figured it would be the same for the reno ww

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    ANY single action striker-fired pistol should not be used with the SERPA. Not to mention, if you get that lock dirty, it will stop working and you will have a hell of a time getting your gun out.

    Not to mention I have seen SERPA's come apart at the rivits durring LEO weapon rentention drills.

    I suggest Safariland or Bladetec.

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    Mike In Reno wrote:
    bite to eat? im hungry ! just came back from scheels, bought a new blackhawk serpa for my Xd, and 100rds of ammo

    around sparks? reno?
    I thought that Scheel's was expensive. It's a nice store but that's about it for me. I hope you got a good deal on that holster. The ammo was high too, but I went there before Obama took office. Ammo might be more reasonable now.

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    scheels can be up and down. it all depends on the quantity on hand

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    Didnt blackhawk market their serpas by hoisting up a 300 lb man with a crane attached to a gun inside the holster?

    I personally haven't heard a credible source about them breaking, unlike thefobus video that went viral on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rv49aDzdgc)

    The shooting yourself thing is just simply not properly drawing. That's like saying glock pistols aren't safe and shouldn't be used because they have no thumb safety IMO. No offense meant though.



    I think 5.11 makes a carbon fiber retention holster, and puts the retainer button on the inside near the body, to avoid badguys who know how to use the serpa and possibly the trigger thing.

    I like my serpas

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    http://www.tacticalresponse.com/d/faq

    Read the last FAQ. That is a very credible source.

    Also, I know my fair share of door kickers, no real one uses a Serpa. Theres a reason that almost every unit attached to SOCOM, who are issued Serpas by the way, uses ALS holsters, funds arealloted to get them VERY often.

    Try emptying your weapon, and drawing very fast, while pushing on the locking mec inwardas you would if rounds were going off around you, see where your finger ends up...

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    I'm not tryin to get in a mud slinging contest. Two instances out of thousands of serpa holster operators around the world.Those 2 are acceptable outliers to me. Again, it's like when people shoot themselves with glocks by accident. Is it the equipments fault?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04817279114761#

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    Dangerfish wrote:
    http://www.tacticalresponse.com/d/faq

    Read the last FAQ. That is a very credible source.

    Also, I know my fair share of door kickers, no real one uses a Serpa. Theres a reason that almost every unit attached to SOCOM, who are issued Serpas by the way, uses ALS holsters, funds arealloted to get them VERY often.

    Try emptying your weapon, and drawing very fast, while pushing on the locking mec inwardas you would if rounds were going off around you, see where your finger ends up...


    I guess if I pipmed (sold)a competitors holster on my website I would find fault as well. Those tacresponse clowns sell holsters so they are going to promote what they sell. get over it.

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    Don't blame Glocks. The Glock is just the one where problems are most commonly encountered because they have over 70% of the US LE market, and BPG has been heavily marketing this holster toward US LE.

    The ND issue isn't the only problem with Serpas... The retention latch is prone to jamming (dirt and debris can get stuck under the release lever rendering it inopperable). Also, the holster is not secure (I know several LEOs who've seen, first-hand, Serpa holsters being ripped off of duty belts during weapon retention drills... Sure, the retention latch kept the weapon holstered, but a fat lot of good that does you when the bad guy has your gun and your holster - then your best bet is to pray the god-damned retention latch does jam!).


    Why would you carry a holster that you know has issues? That's just saying "it wont happen to me". And if they don't have issues, why are the same issues stated all over the internet?Have you EVER heard something go wrong with Safariland or Bladetec? I'm just trying to prevent something bad from happening guys, no disrespect intended.

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    I love my Serpa. I've read quite a bit about the Serpa "problem" a couple of months ago. Seems that the problem is quite rare, and by people using their trigger finger wrong when pressing the release tab.

    Press the tab with the PAD of your trigger finger, NOT by crooking your finger and pushing with the end of your finger.

    If you unlatch/draw with an extended finger, laid alongside the holster exactly like you'd lay it alongside the trigger guard once drawn. Press and pull, slick. You begin and end the draw with your booger-finger just where it should be until you are ready to shoot.

    Otherwise, if you use the fingertip to press the tab, your finger will go right into the trigger guard by the time you're out of the holster.

    With a little practice (the key to most things), you'll have no issues with Serpas.

    I've heard the con theories about dirt jamming the mechanism, but most pro commentators say that's not a problem because there's plenty of tolerance space around the mechanism. Not a significant risk.

    Concerning the risk of someone tearing your holster off your belt, IMOH that's more likely due to the way the user had it attached. It's worth noting that there are no reports (I've looked a lot) of this being attempted on a citizen OC'ing. It happens a few times a year to LEO's, unfortunately.

    (BTW: This lack of evidence of BG's going after an OC citizen's weapon is a big reason why I go OC most everywhere. I prefer deterrence to being targeted as a sheep and having to use my weapon. Proactive v. reactive.)
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