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    Unclear on details just yet, but it looks like there was just a road-rage shooting near Hall Rd and North Ave in Clinton Township.

    No word on the type of firearm, weather the shooter was legally carrying, or anything like that.

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    Oi.. less than a mile from my work.

    Lovely. Post details ASAP if you got 'em.

    What makes this worse is that my workplace is a CEZ.
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    Still few details. Victim was taken to Mt. Clemens Regional Med Center in critical condition.

    Still unsure weather the shooter was licensed carrier, unsure type of gun, and unsure weather 'victim' instigated.

    I'll try to get more info.

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    Oi..
    Yeah, that's not good. Makes me nervous now to go to work, especially since I work midnights, and I'm within walking distance from MCR Hospital too.

    This has got me thinking.. if my work is a CEZ... and my car is in the parking lot, my firearm is technically not in the building, so is it breaking the law?
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    unless you work at a casino, you are good to go.

    see the bold text at the bottom of the mcl....

    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation; penalties.Sec. 5o.
    (1) Subject to subsection (4), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:
    (a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the child from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.
    (b) A public or private child care center or day care center, public or private child caring institution, or public or private child placing agency.
    (c) A sports arena or stadium.
    (d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may, but is not required to, post the sign developed under this subdivision. A record made available by an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, necessary to enforce this subdivision is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.
    (e) Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials of the church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship permit the carrying of concealed pistol on that property or facility.
    (f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.
    (g) A hospital.
    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.
    (2) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R 432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226.
    (3) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).

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    PilotPTK wrote:
    Unclear on details just yet, but it looks like there was just a road-rage shooting near Hall Rd and North Ave in Clinton Township.

    No word on the type of firearm, weather the shooter was legally carrying, or anything like that.
    And? Is that like, out of the ordinary for ya'll in the stix? R U scared? I think a few of the members running for some of the quiter positions may be able to hold you tight. One YES man member may even enjoy it...

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    Good to know that the parking lot doesn't constitute as a PFZ..


    Any new news?
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    Channel 4 reported the attacker had a ccw. I sure hope they didn't use the wrong term. Either way, I hope this guy gets his testicles crushed slowly.
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    We even had a house get shot up, up this way!!!

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    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/22491922/detail.html

    The comments are a bit disturbing.

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    JeffSayers wrote:
    Channel 4 reported the attacker had a ccw. I sure hope they didn't use the wrong term. Either way, I hope this guy gets his testicles crushed slowly.
    Unfortunately as we do not know the whole story it may be that the shooting was justified... we don't know what the person that got shot did... we do know that the person who did the shooting had his children in that car with him... he could very well have been defending his family.
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    wolverine1856 wrote:
    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/22491922/detail.html

    The comments are a bit disturbing.
    75% of the comments have nothing to do with the story what so ever other then people bashing others comments but whats new

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    If the witness was right and the agressor was the guy who was in for lead car at the light, then walked back and attempted to pull the man from his car then the shooter or victim in this account would have been within his rights to defend himself. Any cops will tekk you a car is your coffin and you are almost defenseless when attacked while trapped in your car. The agressor has a serious advantage when he opens your door to attack you. If it happened as the supposed witness said, then too bad for the one who was shot. He obviously didn't care about his children and only cared about his bravado.

    Again if this happened as the admitted witness said.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Another witness says things happened differently.

    I'm confused by the comments on here. I was a few cars back and maybe I was on drugs or something, because I saw both guys get out of their cars and start fighting and then the black guy just whipped out his gun and I ducked down when I saw that. I heard three shots and then I heard the kids screaming. I got back up and drove over the median and got the hell out of there in a hurry.



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    From this update it appears to be self defense.
    http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/...5536478768.txt

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    wolverine1856 wrote:
    Another witness says things happened differently.

    I'm confused by the comments on here. I was a few cars back and maybe I was on drugs or something, because I saw both guys get out of their cars and start fighting and then the black guy just whipped out his gun and I ducked down when I saw that. I heard three shots and then I heard the kids screaming. I got back up and drove over the median and got the hell out of there in a hurry.

    Apparently so.

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    OMG! I work with this guy. His desk is right next to mine.

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    gonz480 wrote:
    From this update it appears to be self defense.
    http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/...5536478768.txt
    I used to live right near there and Tony" Djeljevic is a well known name to me and others. It's sad it went this way but many predicted this would be his end some day. He is known to be quite a dirt bag. Sometimes people reap what they sow in life. It's too bad he chose the path in life he did. I feel sorry for his children and I am sure it will end as a Justified shooting. The second I saw his name I knew in my heart it was justified. Some name you never forget, and not for good reasons. I fel for the man who had to defend himself as he now will carry that buren of doubt even when he knows he was fully justified. When you get involved in a shooting even though you know you had no other choice and the one you shot was nothing more than human scum, you always wonder if there was just some way that you could have done differently yet you know you had no other option.

    Sad some people get so used to the idea they can terrorize others with impunity and the legal system for whatever reason gives them the impression that no matter what they do, they will get away with it. Then some day said people or person finally mets someone who refuses to be yet another victim. Very sad that now the ral victim the shooter who defended himself will have to live with this, even if it was not of his choosing.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Bailenforcer wrote:
    gonz480 wrote:
    From this update it appears to be self defense.
    http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/...5536478768.txt
    I used to live right near there and Tony" Djeljevic is a well known name to me and others. It's sad it went this way but many predicted this would be his end some day. He is known to be quite a dirt bag. Sometimes people reap what they sow in life. It's too bad he chose the path in life he did. I feel sorry for his children and I am sure it will end as a Justified shooting. The second I saw his name I knew in my heart it was justified. Some name you never forget, and not for good reasons. I fel for the man who had to defend himself as he now will carry that buren of doubt even when he knows he was fully justified. When you get involved in a shooting even though you know you had no other choice and the one you shot was nothing more than human scum, you always wonder if there was just some way that you could have done differently yet you know you had no other option.

    Sad some people get so used to the idea they can terrorize others with impunity and the legal system for whatever reason gives them the impression that no matter what they do, they will get away with it. Then some day said people or person finally mets someone who refuses to be yet another victim. Very sad that now the ral victim the shooter who defended himself will have to live with this, even if it was not of his choosing.
    +1

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    wolverine1856 wrote:
    Another witness says things happened differently.

    I'm confused by the comments on here. I was a few cars back and maybe I was on drugs or something, because I saw both guys get out of their cars and start fighting and then the black guy just whipped out his gun and I ducked down when I saw that. I heard three shots and then I heard the kids screaming. I got back up and drove over the median and got the hell out of there in a hurry.

    Apparently so.
    I didn't buy his claim to have been there, this happens often and they are trolls who love to stir up stuff.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    JamesIan wrote:
    OMG! I work with this guy. His desk is right next to mine.
    Is your cubicle the bulletproof type or just astandard model?

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    JamesIan wrote:
    OMG! I work with this guy. His desk is right next to mine.
    The only guy identifiedin the articleis "self-employed and worked at home on his computer, relatives said". Could you be a little more clear, or are you saying you worknext to this guy at his house?
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

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    Please as the family of the man who was shot we ask that you stop the postings of this topic its hard enough without the opnions of everyone else thank you

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    DanM wrote:
    JamesIan wrote:
    OMG! I work with this guy. His desk is right next to mine.
    The only guy identifiedin the articleis "self-employed and worked at home on his computer, relatives said". Could you be a little more clear, or are you saying you worknext to this guy at his house?
    Well no, actually "Witnesses said the suspect, who is from Detroit and works as a planner for DTE Energy" was identified also.

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    Mr "Kilometers" is someone I would trust with a firearm around my family. I think the news may have their perp/victim equation the wrong way around. To be fair, I know very little, but have heard much more than the stories let on.

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