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    I would like to file a theft report against Seattle Police Department. Can someone direct me to exactly what I need to do to go about this?



    I suppose I should add that after bnearly a year of being denied my right to CC legally because I dont have the permit in hand, it has run its course with me. My permit is active (I have confirmed this), but not in hand.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Might simply try small claims first. Maximum amount ($5,000 i believe) plus return of your permit. Be sure to invite a lot of media. since the prosecutor is city/county paid, filing theft against them might be difficult, however a small claims is cheap and easy to file, and you can easily represent yourself. The 5k claim for loss of property (and liberty being in a shall issue state) might be a very big tap on the shoulder for the precinct.

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    I don't know much about small claims court, but I would not do a claim for $5000. It's the maximum amount, but you would not win anything more than what is reasonable.

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    I sorta got the sence that I had to file the case in Federal court. There is nothing holding up my property being returned other than the officer who releases the property for some reason refuses to return my messsages that I leave everyday, and never answers his desk phone.



    I am trying to not be a complete B.... about this, but I seriously need to move on with my life, and this is holding me up from doing so.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I contacted them. They returned my call and told me that it takes a long time to close a case on the PD end, because it is not a priority. The prosecutors office sent their determination back to SPD saying that they are NOT going to pursue charges.

    Whether the case is closed on the PD end or not, there has been a prosecutorial determination made, so I am not sure what the hold-up is other than they are just making the decision to not return my property just because.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Have you called Chief Diaz directly and asked for help? He wants to be named permanent Chief and may be open to listening and helping you.

    The officer that is ignoring you has a supervisor. Have you demanded to speak to this person?

    Don't get me wrong, I have been following your issue and believe you have done more than you should have to.

    I'm just trying to think of something else that you might have missed.
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    Short answer is you can't. If you have any action against them it would be civil, not criminal.

    They are not going to take a theft report with themselves as the "suspect", and no other agency is going to take it either.

    I remember your other thread about what has gone on, my suggestion would be to go down in person and not leave until you talk to someone high enough up the food chain to give you a definitive answer to what has happened to your CPL. Any point where the person hits a dead end, the magic words for you to say are "Ok, then I need to speak to your supervisor please".

    If whatever case they were working is over and done and they can't lay their hands on it, get something on letterhead saying it was misplaced, lost or stolen while they had it. Get a name and a phone number for contact on the same letter and then go and see about getting a replacement.

    Your other thread mentioned them having a gun of yours as well. Has that been returned?

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    911Boss wrote:
    Your other thread mentioned them having a gun of yours as well. Has that been returned?
    CC permit, holster, and handgun are all sitting at the SPD property unit. I have called the property unit, and the desk person confirmed that the property isthere. The investigating officer who I have been trying to contact for nearly 3 months has not sent them a release of property. I understand that they have a backlog, but then again, that shouldn't be my problem.

    :celebrate<---------this bananna BTW is dancing at the same beat as Willie Nelson "All Of Me," which I am currenttly listening to on the Classic Country station.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I think that dancing banana is so fantastic!!!! It makes my day to see it! :celebrate

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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    911Boss wrote:
    Your other thread mentioned them having a gun of yours as well. Has that been returned?
    CC permit, holster, and handgun are all sitting at the SPD property unit. I have called the property unit, and the desk person confirmed that the property isthere. The investigating officer who I have been trying to contact for nearly 3 months has not sent them a release of property. I understand that they have a backlog, but then again, that shouldn't be my problem.

    :celebrate<---------this bananna BTW is dancing at the same beat as Willie Nelson "All Of Me," which I am currenttly listening to on the Classic Country station.
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. You need to make yourself enough of a nuisance to make it important to them to take care of the matter. They should be able to tell you his shift/hours. If he isn't getting back to you, go over his head. Make complaints, see if they have an ombudsman or some such thing. Complain to internal investigations. Over the phone, in person, etc.



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    911Boss wrote:
    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    911Boss wrote:
    Your other thread mentioned them having a gun of yours as well. Has that been returned?
    CC permit, holster, and handgun are all sitting at the SPD property unit. I have called the property unit, and the desk person confirmed that the property isthere. The investigating officer who I have been trying to contact for nearly 3 months has not sent them a release of property. I understand that they have a backlog, but then again, that shouldn't be my problem.

    :celebrate<---------this bananna BTW is dancing at the same beat as Willie Nelson "All Of Me," which I am currenttly listening to on the Classic Country station.
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. You need to make yourself enough of a nuisance to make it important to them to take care of the matter. They should be able to tell you his shift/hours. If he isn't getting back to you, go over his head. Make complaints, see if they have an ombudsman or some such thing. Complain to internal investigations. Over the phone, in person, etc.

    I contacted and left a message for the Lt. over the officer. I am going to do a few other things, and just keep contacting them every day, throughout the day, until I get someone back to me.

    Heck, maybe they are going to try and continue to investigate...I am not sure what that would accomplish, but maybe that is what they are doing which is why they aren't getting back to me.

    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Get a lawyer to send a letter stating that if they do not release your property to you like yesterday then you will follow suit to recover from lost property and damages and you will bring the media in on it.


    Lets face it in some cases, the threat of force is far more useful than the force itself. besides SPD dosnt need any bad publicity at this point in the game.

    Just my 2 cents

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    Why not just apply for a replacement? It seems you're not prohibited. Should be easy.

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    deanf wrote:
    Why not just apply for a replacement? It seems you're not prohibited. Should be easy.
    Her firearm is still being held as well.
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    I know.

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    deanf wrote:
    Why not just apply for a replacement? It seems you're not prohibited. Should be easy.
    They have the gun, too

    *edit* too slow
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    NavyLT wrote:
    Tawnos wrote:
    deanf wrote:
    Why not just apply for a replacement? It seems you're not prohibited. Should be easy.
    They have the gun, too

    *edit* too slow
    What does that have to do with getting a replacement CPL?
    It has to do with the OP wanting to file a theft report, which is what this thread is about.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    Tawnos wrote:
    deanf wrote:
    Why not just apply for a replacement? It seems you're not prohibited. Should be easy.
    They have the gun, too

    *edit* too slow
    What does that have to do with getting a replacement CPL?
    It has to do with the OP wanting to file a theft report, which is what this thread is about.

    Do Both! Nothing prevents you from doing both, in addition filing a theft report against a municipal entity is not the proper procedure. The SPD did not steal the firearm, CPL or anything else. I agree that going to the SPD, courts and staying all day continuing to speak to supervisor's over and over is a good start.

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    Contact an attorney, there are a couple on the forum, and have them write a letter demanding return of the items.

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    Contact the Sheriff. He is a higher authority than your city police. They are denying your rights as enumerated by our state constitution. And it is theft if after being informed they are not lawfully holding onto property and don't return it.
    Washington Revised Code RCW 9A.56.010: Definitions. (b) Having any property or services in one's possession, custody or control as bailee, factor, lessee, pledgee, renter, servant, attorney, agent, employee, trustee, executor, administrator, guardian, or officer of any person, estate, association, or corporation, or as a public officer, or person authorized by agreement or competent authority to take or hold such possession, custody, or control, to secrete, withhold, or appropriate the same to his or her own use or to the use of any person other than the true owner or person entitled thereto; or

    I could be reading this wrong, even though it was involved in a case when the case is done they need to give it back.

    And it is the principal of the matter. Don't let them play games with you Sylvia. Have you filed a complaint? Do this and make sure you get a copy, so the complaint doesn't disappear.
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Contact the Sheriff. He is a higher authority than your city police. They are denying your rights as enumerated by our state constitution. And it is theft if after being informed they are not lawfully holding onto property and don't return it.
    Washington Revised Code RCW 9A.56.010: Definitions. (b) Having any property or services in one's possession, custody or control as bailee, factor, lessee, pledgee, renter, servant, attorney, agent, employee, trustee, executor, administrator, guardian, or officer of any person, estate, association, or corporation, or as a public officer, or person authorized by agreement or competent authority to take or hold such possession, custody, or control, to secrete, withhold, or appropriate the same to his or her own use or to the use of any person other than the true owner or person entitled thereto; or

    I could be reading this wrong, even though it was involved in a case when the case is done they need to give it back.

    And it is the principal of the matter. Don't let them play games with you Sylvia. Have you filed a complaint? Do this and make sure you get a copy, so the complaint doesn't disappear.
    Calling the Sheriff would be wasted time. That time would be better spent going up the food chain at SPD.

    The Sheriff is NOT going to get involved in a matter such as this, quote all the RCW you want citing the Sheriff as the Chief law enforcement officer of the county, it just isn't something they are going to get involved in (ask me how I know )

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    I filed a complaint with the Attorney General of Washington State...but I am nto sure if he has authority over this, I am guessing he does. They will be getting back to me in the next week.

    I have contact Det., Sgt., Lt and none of them seem to be interested in talking to me.

    I called the prosecutors office and asked them if there is somethign they can do, and they said that it is not in their hands anymore because they declined to file charges.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    I filed a complaint with the Attorney General of Washington State...but I am nto sure if he has authority over this, I am guessing he does. They will be getting back to me in the next week.

    I have contact Det., Sgt., Lt and none of them seem to be interested in talking to me.

    I called the prosecutors office and asked them if there is somethign they can do, and they said that it is not in their hands anymore because they declined to file charges.
    Sylvia just to ensure we are talking about the same contacts you have dealt with I called the following number and it goes to internal investigations and verified this is where a citizen can file a complaint.

    Hopefully this is not repeating what you have done already.

    Civilian Oversight of the Seattle Police Department OPA - Investigation Section

    Seattle Municipal Tower 700 5th Avenue, Suite 1640 P.O. Box 34986 Seattle, WA 98124-4986
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