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    Bill to allow guns in Va. bars advances
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    By Bill Sizemore
    The Virginian-Pilot
    © February 9, 2010
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    The perennial “guns in bars” bill is on the march again, and this year it has a friend in the governor’s mansion.

    Del. Todd Gilbert’s bill, HB 505, would let Virginians carry concealed weapons into restaurants and clubs that sell alcohol. It was approved this morning by the House Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee and now advances to the House floor. If passed there, it will go to the Senate.

    A similar measure was passed by the General Assembly last year but vetoed by then-Gov. Timothy M. Kaine. Gov. Bob McDonnell has expressed support for the idea.

    Gilbert, R-Woodstock, amended the bill this year to prohibit gun-toting bar patrons from consuming alcohol on the premises.

    Gun-rights groups back the measure, while gun-control advocates and the restaurant lobby oppose it.

    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Someone should ask Bill for a list of bars in Virginia. I'd love to visit one!

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    Yep!
    Movin on but still has to go to the edge of the world.
    This is a bill to support ! It gives parity to CHP holders in a unusual case of reverse discrimination.

    Time to start talking to the Senate.

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    hsmith wrote:
    Someone should ask Bill for a list of bars in Virginia. I'd love to visit one!
    They're not open to the public. You have to be a loophole owner to get in.

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    hsmith wrote:
    Someone should ask Bill for a list of bars in Virginia. I'd love to visit one!
    Good luck. There are no bars in Virginia.

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    Concealed Gun restaurant Ban Bill Passes House of Delegates?

    I think it is out of committee and now on the house floor, right? Did the HOUSE vote?
    Carry On.

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    ed wrote:
    Concealed Gun restaurant Ban Bill Passes House of Delegates?

    I think it is out of committee and now on the house floor, right? Did the HOUSE vote?
    Not yet!
    My guess is it will pass the house without trouble.
    Getting it out of the Senate is something else. I'd be tempted to say it won't go through but since this is the year when they have to put up or shut up (They know the Governor will sign it)....There may just be enough fence sitters to make it work.

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    I just hope places thatare okay with OC don't start demanding we CC from now on if this passes.


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    Agent19 wrote:
    I just hope places thatare okay with OC don't start demanding we CC from now on if this passes.
    That and I hope that places dont start SIGNING all their doors
    Carry On.

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    Thundar wrote:
    Bill to allow guns in Va. bars advances

    From: Bill.Sizemore@pilotonline.com
    To: ed
    Sent: 2/9/2010 12:30:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
    Subj: RE: Two in a row?
    It’s all in the nomenclature.. Virginia may not call them bars, but that’s what they are.


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    First the Super bowl score error and now this.. Guns in BARS? Virginia has NO BARS. Virginia has restaurants. Are you really this naive or are you simply acting like a dumb ass?



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    Agent19 wrote:
    I just hope places thatare okay with OC don't start demanding we CC from now on if this passes.
    They will lose my business.

    This bill is still grossly discriminatory with the "no consumption" clause attached.
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    ed wrote:
    From: Bill.Sizemore@pilotonline.com
    To: ed
    Sent: 2/9/2010 12:30:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
    Subj: RE: Two in a row?
    It’s all in the nomenclature.. Virginia may not call them bars, but that’s what they are.
    Apparently Mr. Sizemore has never actually been in a real bar!

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    Wrong. In Virginia every "bar" is a restaurant but every restaurant is not a bar.

    Ask the owners of those "bars" how much food they are required BY LAW to sell in order to maintain their ABC licenses.
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    Virginia has 'bars. I almost hit one coming back from Standardsville.

    Blasted thing ran out into the road right infront of me.
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    Why did they completely pass over HB106? It's not even going to be given a chance?

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    Virginia has no bars, there are only restaurants. All establishments that serve alcohol are required to serve food.



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    AbNo wrote:
    Virginia has 'bars. I almost hit one coming back from Standardsville.

    Blasted thing ran out into the road right infront of me.
    Might have been Peter Nap. He gets around.
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    The Pilot follows up their cited ignorant news story with an even more ignorant editorial. http://hamptonroads.com/2010/02/mode...guns-every-bar. Note the quote below with (my comments).
    A modest proposal: Guns in every barRestaurateurs and others are outraged by the possibility, noting security issues.
    (The Pilot offers absolutely no evidence for this assertion. Does this mean two, three, eight restarateurs? Who are the others, members of the editorial board?).

    Some (And just who are the some? Names please. ) also worry because the bill contains no provisions for keeping out gun-carrying customers and is a threat to property rights. (The bill does not need this provision because property owners can prohibit weapons on their private property now. Therefore all those 'some' who worry would be those 'some' who are ignorant of the law. There concerns are as relevant to lawmakers as their concern over the current fitness for consumption of the blue cheese the moon is made of.) But they may be missing the benefits and opportunities such legislation presents. To begin with, the proposed law would allow 214,000 Virginians (not any 214,000 Virginians, but those 214,000 who have Concealed Handgun Permits, and all those who are not Virginians but who have permits issued in other states which are valid in Virginia) to carry hidden weapons into any establishment that has an ABC license: pizza parlors, bowling alleys, sports bars, nightclubs, country clubs, fine restaurants. (and really bad restaurants) (while all other citizens over 18 who can legally possess a handgun and carry openly would continue to be able to do so.)

    Is it possible that the Pilot's editorial board could be educated?

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    youngck wrote:
    Is it possible that the Pilot's editorial board could be educated?
    Let us know how that turns out.


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    A modest proposal: Guns in every bar

    Posted to: Editorials Opinion



    The issue A bill allowing concealed weapons in Virginia restaurants.

    Where we stand Banishing common sense, lawmakers target armed tourism.

    The Virginian-Pilot
    © February 10, 2010

    A Senate committee is expected to hear a bill today that would allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns into Virginia's bars. If lawmakers pass the legislation, Gov. Bob McDonnell, who has supported the measure, is likely to sign it.

    Restaurateurs and others are outraged by the possibility, noting security issues. Some also worry because the bill contains no provisions for keeping out gun-carrying customers and is a threat to property rights. But they may be missing the benefits and opportunities such legislation presents.

    To begin with, the proposed law would allow 214,000 Virginians to carry hidden weapons into any establishment that has an ABC license: pizza parlors, bowling alleys, sports bars, nightclubs, country clubs, fine restaurants.

    In case anyone is worried about the volatile mix of alcohol and firearms, naysayers should know that the Senate bill requires gun toters to abstain and threatens them with - shudder! - misdemeanors if they don't.

    Such a law would undoubtedly be good for tourism in the Old Dominion. Forget "Virginia is for Lovers." Forget eco-tourism. Virginia could make a name for itself in the emerging market for armed tourism: Virginia is for self-defense.

    Twenty-three states, including North Carolina, expressly prohibit loaded guns in bars. Virginia, already known as the armory to countless East Coast cities, could cement its reputation as a gun-friendly state, welcoming to all and anyone frustrated by laws back home.

    Think of the conventions we could attract! Nashville's visitors bureau bemoaned the loss of business when Tennessee passed this law last year. Virginia should look on the bright side. The commonwealth could market itself as the Wild West of the East, with Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli keeping order as Marshal Matt Dillon in a dark business suit.

    The possibilities for creating jobs and stimulating the economy are endless. Nightclubs worried about enforcing the law will be looking to hire more security officers, just in case. Instead of offering coats and ties for under-dressed men to borrow, swank restaurants could offer bulletproof vests. Serving shots would take on a new meaning. Get in a fight over a girl or guy? Call in your armed wingman.

    When then-Gov. Tim Kaine vetoed the measure last year, he warned that allowing it to become law would put the public, employees and public safety officers at risk. Restaurateurs argue that they will have no way of knowing whether to serve an alcoholic beverage to a customer because they won't know who has a weapon.

    Here's a hint: Given the law, it'll be the one drinking club soda. That might put a dent in a restaurant's receipts, but it'll do the same for Virginia's drunken-driving rate. See how that works? With the right marketing, even good sense's loss can be Virginia's gain.
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    Thundar wrote:
    A modest proposal: Guns in every bar

    Posted to: Editorials Opinion



    The issue A bill allowing concealed weapons in Virginia restaurants.

    Where we stand Banishing common sense, lawmakers target armed tourism.

    The Virginian-Pilot
    © February 10, 2010

    A Senate committee is expected to hear a bill today that would allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns into Virginia's bars. If lawmakers pass the legislation, Gov. Bob McDonnell, who has supported the measure, is likely to sign it.

    Restaurateurs and others are outraged by the possibility, noting security issues. Some also worry because the bill contains no provisions for keeping out gun-carrying customers and is a threat to property rights. But they may be missing the benefits and opportunities such legislation presents.

    To begin with, the proposed law would allow 214,000 Virginians to carry hidden weapons into any establishment that has an ABC license: pizza parlors, bowling alleys, sports bars, nightclubs, country clubs, fine restaurants.

    In case anyone is worried about the volatile mix of alcohol and firearms, naysayers should know that the Senate bill requires gun toters to abstain and threatens them with - shudder! - misdemeanors if they don't.

    Such a law would undoubtedly be good for tourism in the Old Dominion. Forget "Virginia is for Lovers." Forget eco-tourism. Virginia could make a name for itself in the emerging market for armed tourism: Virginia is for self-defense.

    Twenty-three states, including North Carolina, expressly prohibit loaded guns in bars. Virginia, already known as the armory to countless East Coast cities, could cement its reputation as a gun-friendly state, welcoming to all and anyone frustrated by laws back home.

    Think of the conventions we could attract! Nashville's visitors bureau bemoaned the loss of business when Tennessee passed this law last year. Virginia should look on the bright side. The commonwealth could market itself as the Wild West of the East, with Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli keeping order as Marshal Matt Dillon in a dark business suit.

    The possibilities for creating jobs and stimulating the economy are endless. Nightclubs worried about enforcing the law will be looking to hire more security officers, just in case. Instead of offering coats and ties for under-dressed men to borrow, swank restaurants could offer bulletproof vests. Serving shots would take on a new meaning. Get in a fight over a girl or guy? Call in your armed wingman.

    When then-Gov. Tim Kaine vetoed the measure last year, he warned that allowing it to become law would put the public, employees and public safety officers at risk. Restaurateurs argue that they will have no way of knowing whether to serve an alcoholic beverage to a customer because they won't know who has a weapon.

    Here's a hint: Given the law, it'll be the one drinking club soda. That might put a dent in a restaurant's receipts, but it'll do the same for Virginia's drunken-driving rate. See how that works? With the right marketing, even good sense's loss can be Virginia's gain.

    That article is so slanted, I expect to see flashing lights that say..........

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    Of course they will claim that the article is political satire, just look at the title.

    What it really is, is a typical anti screed filled with half truths and flawed logic.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    wylde007 wrote:
    Agent19 wrote:
    I just hope places thatare okay with OC don't start demanding we CC from now on if this passes.
    They will lose my business.

    This bill is still grossly discriminatory with the "no consumption" clause attached.
    As rule I ain't drinkin' when I'm pakin' but +1 on "discriminatory". My guess would be that LEO is exempted from the "no consumption" clause as well?





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