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    See everyone in Palo Alto March 6th for our "hoity toity" meetup!

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    His comments do represent the entire police force. If one ignorant open carrier were to say something like "open carry is good because you can shoot cops when you see them", the entire national movement would be seen as a threat, not just the one idiot.
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    LOL poor piggy

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    I wonder if the San Mateo Grand Jury would be interested in this?

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    If they are so concerned about people UOC'ing and the "problems" for the public that it might bring then solve the "problem" and issue CCW's. This stubbornness makes makes me want to puke.

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    SouthBayr wrote:
    I wonder if the San Mateo Grand Jury would be interested in this?
    Couldn't this be considered terrorist threats? I feel terrorized and it was definitely a threat.

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    I was under the impression that CA is a "fox guarding the henhouse" state. In other words, if the District Attorney supports criminal cops, the grand jury can never be consulted, as the DA is the only person who can consult them. Not the victims of criminal cops.

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    I'd like to know exactly what kind of investigation this chump is undergoing. The article says his facebook page is his personal opinion and he won't be taken off duty. Yeah, that's a real investigation alright. What a crock.

    The fear mongering of terrorists and terrorist acts only play into their favor for more police making more money. They can say whatever they want about terrorists and the terrorist threat, but I will NEVER accept living under aPolice State. NEVER. Just my personal opinion.
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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    I'd like to know exactly what kind of investigation this chump is undergoing.
    They're looking into whether or not "he violated any police department policies"......




    Lift up the rug and start sweeping

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    JJ wrote:
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    I'd like to know exactly what kind of investigation this chump is undergoing.
    They're looking into whether or not "he violated any police department policies"......




    Lift up the rug and start sweeping
    Yeah, I know. I say whatever event is being planned...we do it on the street he lives on. Take it right to his door step and make sure his friends and neighbors know exactly who isliving next to them and what he is capable of.
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    JJ wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    I'd like to know exactly what kind of investigation this chump is undergoing.
    They're looking into whether or not "he violated any police department policies"......




    Lift up the rug and start sweeping
    Sound familar?

    Man Charged With Posting Threat On Newspaper Website
    The Hartford Courant

    12:46 PM EST, February 9, 2010

    TORRINGTON —

    A 26-year-old man is accused of posting an anonymous threatening comment about a Torrington police officer on The Register-Citizen newspaper's website last month.

    Brian E. Couse, of Stanfordville, N.Y., turned himself in to police, who charged him with second-degree breach peace on Tuesday. Couse was released on $2,500 bail and is due in Bantam Superior Court on Feb. 22.

    An employee at the Register-Citizen called officers on Jan. 20 after noticing the threat in the comment section beneath an online article. The article was police-related, Lt. Michael Emanuel said, but he declined to comment on what the story was about.

    Police launched an investigation and later executed a search warrant, which revealed the Internet protocol address and identity of the anonymous blogger.

    Couse sent the message from a work computer in New York, Emanuel said. He declined to say where Couse worked but said that he has been fired from the job.

    The comment was "a threat of physical violence against an active police officer," Emanuel said.

    "Simply because a person posts comments in an anonymous fashion does not give them the right to threaten or cause fear in people or their families," he said in a statement.

    Calls to the Register-Citizen were not immediately returned.

    — Jenna Carlesso


    i think this artical is an appropriate juxtaposition for what this cop did and the investigation that is corrently being swept.
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    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Good job finding this article. Once again, it shows how there are double standards to citizens (LEOs and free citizens).

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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    The fear mongering of terrorists and terrorist acts only play into their favor for more police making more money. They can say whatever they want about terrorists and the terrorist threat, but I will NEVER accept living under aPolice State. NEVER. Just my personal opinion.
    Trust me, I don't buy into the terrorist fearmongering. I was simply pointing out that the detective's comments were alot more "terrorizing" than many people they charge.

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    onedavetoomany wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    The fear mongering of terrorists and terrorist acts only play into their favor for more police making more money. They can say whatever they want about terrorists and the terrorist threat, but I will NEVER accept living under aPolice State. NEVER. Just my personal opinion.
    Trust me, I don't buy into the terrorist fearmongering. I was simply pointing out that the detective's comments were alot more "terrorizing" than many people they charge.
    I'm with you onedave. I wasn't posting in opposition to your statement...more like piggybacking. His comments were "terroristic" in nature to be sure. But clearly the Police State Machine gets a pass on this one (so far).

    Isn't it amazing how easily people will give up their liberty for a little temporary safety? The scary part is they don't seem to mind when the Police State starts applying the choke hold once their liberty is gone.

    In another post, in some other thread, I asked if cops are required to attend and pass a constitutional class as part of their academy training. I'm now beginning to think they need a whole class on just the oath part.


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    DOUBLE STANDARD > In Oregon last month ( I'm right across the boarder ) A cop shot a highly agitated man and killed him with an AR ( shot him in the back ) when the man was confronted after the cops were called to a disturbance involving the dead ( murdered ) man.

    ( I heard this in a local conservative talk radio show, so I am "paraphrasing)

    I will try and find a written article and make sure my facts are 100%` right.

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    The agitated dead man threw up his hands at the commands of the AR pointing cop and the "victim" said with hands raised " I'm gonna go for my gun" and then he spun around all the while reaching into his waist band, when he was turned around BANG he was punched out by the cop with the AR.

    The victim was un armed , no gun, no knife, no tazer, no pen light, no stick, no collapsible baton, no stun gun, no starter pistol, no air soft gun, no BB gun, no phone NOTHING.

    Now there are "extenuating" circumstances, and I understand the "heat of the moment" and I was not there, BUT lets take the cop out and put YOU in place with an AR in hand standing in your front yard >>>>YOU will be arrested , booked and on trial for at least 2nd degree murder. GUARANTEED.



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    This is what I was referring to...

    Code:
    422.  Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
    will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
    the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
    by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
    threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
    which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
    is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
    convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
    immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
    that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
    safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
    by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
    imprisonment in the state prison.
    It seems that Detective Tauson could be investigated for PE 422 Terrorist Threats.

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    onedavetoomany wrote:
    This is what I was referring to...

    Code:
    422.  Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
    will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
    the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
    by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
    threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
    which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
    is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
    convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
    immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
    that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
    safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
    by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
    imprisonment in the state prison.
    It seems that Detective Tauson could be investigated for PE 422 Terrorist Threats.
    Yes, he should. But we all know it will never happen. He will not be disciplined and life for him will go on a usual. Law abiding citizens on the other hand now have to worry about getting shot by an LEO and not only a Criminal. Are they the same? Some times it seems so, both are more than willing to break the law and both seem to be able to get away with it.

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    I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

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    Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

    Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/yfe2gho





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    The agitated dead man threw up his hands at the commands of the AR pointing cop and the "victim" said with hands raised " I'm gonna go for my gun"* and then he spun around all the while reaching into his waist band, when he was turned around BANG he was punched out by the cop with the AR.

    The victim was un armed , no gun, no knife, no tazer, no pen light, no stick, no collapsible baton, no stun gun, no starter pistol, no air soft gun, no BB gun, no phone NOTHING.**

    Now there are "extenuating" circumstances, and I understand the "heat of the moment" and I was not there, BUT lets take the cop out and put YOU in place with an AR in hand standing in your front yard >>>>YOU will be arrested , booked and on trial for at least 2nd degree murder. GUARANTEED.


    *Threatening statement

    ** Suicide by cop

    Reasons why you need to start recording when you leave your house or car.

    Like I've said before, for video I use my old Samsung Blackjack cell phone, hanging from my neck and in the car, it's clipped to a gps mount and used as a dash-cam. I also have two audio recorders.


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    Dave Workman wrote:
    I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

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    Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

    Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop
    Direct link to your colleague's story:

    East Palo Alto cop: Shoot a gun owner, get '2 weeks off!!!'

    http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Palo-Alto-cop-Shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off

    Since it's directly relevant to this sub-forum.


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    Honestly, I would not expect anything better out of any urban California Police Officer, however; I would expect better out of a rural California Police Officer.

    For some reason, urban Officers think that they are above the Law.

    If I were the District Attorney James P Fox, of San Mateo County in the East Palo Alto Area, I would send a letter to The East Palo Alto Police Deaprtment reminding them that such statements could be considered a Crime.

    More specifically: California Penal Code 422, which provides, further:

    -422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
    will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
    the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
    by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
    threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
    which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
    is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
    convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
    immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
    that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
    safety
    or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
    by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
    imprisonment in the state prison.

    For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
    spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
    by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
    person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
    prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
    "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to,
    telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
    machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
    as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
    the United States Code.


    Furthermore, harassment of 'Bay-Area' Open Carriers would not be tolerated, and I would issue documents to all Local Law Enforcement Agencies, similiar as to how The Los Angeles and Orange Counties District Attornies Offices's did, to remind them that Open Carry, in and of itself, is not Unlawful anddoes notgive rise to Criminal Activity or Reasoanble Articulabe Suspision to believe suchwas, is, or had committ/occur (ed/ing/ed).

    As for this Officer, in addtion to Penal Code 422 above, I would also seek to have Him removed for His position of Trust with The Local Government. Thnakfully, though, it appears that this may occur or has already happened.


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    MudCamper wrote:
    Dave Workman wrote:
    I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

    ===================================

    Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

    Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop
    Direct link to your colleague's story:

    East Palo Alto cop: Shoot a gun owner, get '2 weeks off!!!'

    http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Palo-Alto-cop-Shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off

    Since it's directly relevant to this sub-forum.
    MC..many thanks..

    I hit "send" before I got it all in.,

    This is a story that is growing legs by the hour.



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    I'm curious what the citizens' responses to this article would be if it were a LEO in a more-free state, where LOC is not only allowed but the norm...

    Dave Workman wrote:
    MudCamper wrote:
    Dave Workman wrote:
    I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

    ===================================

    Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

    Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop
    Direct link to your colleague's story:

    East Palo Alto cop: Shoot a gun owner, get '2 weeks off!!!'

    http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Palo-Alto-cop-Shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off

    Since it's directly relevant to this sub-forum.
    MC..many thanks..

    I hit "send" before I got it all in.,

    This is a story that is growing legs by the hour.
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

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