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East Palo Alto Cop Belittles Firearm Group

yelohamr

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SteveInAshand wrote:
The agitated dead man threw up his hands at the commands of the AR pointing cop and the "victim" said with hands raised " I'm gonna go for my gun"* and then he spun around all the while reaching into his waist band, when he was turned around BANG he was punched out by the cop with the AR.

The victim was un armed , no gun, no knife, no tazer, no pen light, no stick, no collapsible baton, no stun gun, no starter pistol, no air soft gun, no BB gun, no phone NOTHING.**

Now there are "extenuating" circumstances, and I understand the "heat of the moment" and I was not there, BUT lets take the cop out and put YOU in place with an AR in hand standing in your front yard >>>>YOU will be arrested , booked and on trial for at least 2nd degree murder. GUARANTEED.


*Threatening statement

** Suicide by cop

Reasons why you need to start recording when you leave your house or car.

Like I've said before, for video I use my old Samsung Blackjack cell phone, hanging from my neck and in the car, it's clipped to a gps mount and used as a dash-cam. I also have two audio recorders.
 

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Dave Workman wrote:
I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

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Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop
Direct link to your colleague's story:

East Palo Alto cop: Shoot a gun owner, get '2 weeks off!!!'

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Palo-Alto-cop-Shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off

Since it's directly relevant to this sub-forum.
 

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Honestly, I would not expect anything better out of any urban California Police Officer, however; I would expect better out of a rural California Police Officer.

For some reason, urban Officers think that they are above the Law.

If I were the District Attorney James P Fox, of San Mateo County in the East Palo Alto Area, I would send a letter to The East Palo Alto Police Deaprtment reminding them that such statements could be considered a Crime.

More specifically: California Penal Code 422, which provides, further:

-422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety
or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.

For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
"Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to,
telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
the United States Code.


Furthermore, harassment of 'Bay-Area' Open Carriers would not be tolerated, and I would issue documents to all Local Law Enforcement Agencies, similiar as to how The Los Angeles and Orange Counties District Attornies Offices's did, to remind them that Open Carry, in and of itself, is not Unlawful anddoes notgive rise to Criminal Activity or Reasoanble Articulabe Suspision to believe suchwas, is, or had committ/occur (ed/ing/ed).

As for this Officer, in addtion to Penal Code 422 above, I would also seek to have Him removed for His position of Trust with The Local Government. Thnakfully, though, it appears that this may occur or has already happened.
 

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MudCamper wrote:
Dave Workman wrote:
I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

===================================

Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop
Direct link to your colleague's story:

East Palo Alto cop: Shoot a gun owner, get '2 weeks off!!!'

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Palo-Alto-cop-Shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off

Since it's directly relevant to this sub-forum.

MC..many thanks..

I hit "send" before I got it all in.,

This is a story that is growing legs by the hour.
 

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I'm curious what the citizens' responses to this article would be if it were a LEO in a more-free state, where LOC is not only allowed but the norm...

Dave Workman wrote:
MudCamper wrote:
Dave Workman wrote:
I just weighed in with a Gun Rights Examiner column, as did my colleague, David Codrea (Link included)

===================================

Seattle mayor seeks input on new top cop, plus OUTRAGE in California!

Golden State police detective inhot water over Facebook remarks

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Seattle-mayor-wants-public-suggestions-in-search-for-new-top-cop
Direct link to your colleague's story:

East Palo Alto cop: Shoot a gun owner, get '2 weeks off!!!'

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d10-Palo-Alto-cop-Shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off

Since it's directly relevant to this sub-forum.
MC..many thanks..

I hit "send" before I got it all in.,

This is a story that is growing legs by the hour.
 

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demnogis wrote:
I'm curious what the citizens' responses to this article would be if it were a LEO in a more-free state, where LOC is not only allowed but the norm...

Pretty much the same. This is outrageous no matter where you live.
 

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Here are a few random thoughts:

Now that the Detective has publicly announced his intention to be, shall we say "trigger happy" in certain situations, what if he does, indeed (or worse already has), shoot someone?

How much tougher would his defense be in criminal or civil trial against him?

What if you were his partner, and now, since the Detective needs to be more cautious (due his more-than-stupid public remarks), you fear he would NOT SHOOT in a true life-threatening situation, for fear of greater scrutiny?

Seems the Detective has truly "handcuffed" himself.

[line]"...we believe that journalists have a responsibility to shine light in dark places, to give voice to those who are too often silenced and ignored." (Laura Ling and Euna Lee)[line]
The threatening remarks are egregious. Administrative and legal action should be taken against him. They certainly would be if a non-leo made them.

Good job press for doing some light shining. Keep the light on. Don't let the carpet fall down over this dirt.
 

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4armed Architect wrote:
Here are a few random thoughts:

Now that the Detective has publicly announced his intention to be, shall we say "trigger happy" in certain situations, what if he does, indeed (or worse already has), shoot someone?

How much tougher would his defense be in criminal or civil trial against him?

What if you were his partner, and now, since the Detective needs to be more cautious (due his more-than-stupid public remarks), you fear he would NOT SHOOT in a true life-threatening situation, for fear of greater scrutiny?

Seems the Detective has truly "handcuffed" himself.

[line]"...we believe that journalists have a responsibility to shine light in dark places, to give voice to those who are too often silenced and ignored." (Laura Ling and Euna Lee)[line]
The threatening remarks are egregious. Administrative and legal action should be taken against him. They certainly would be if a non-leo made them.

Good job press for doing some light shining. Keep the light on. Don't let the carpet fall down over this dirt.
As much as people hate guns, most of them hate bad cops more.

One of the issues we work with is that as open carriers we have both the anti-gun's against us and more "conservative" people that like to swim with the sharks but not make waves.

This might gain us some sympathy, but not much.
 

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When apolice department, oremployee thereof, indicates that level of hostility toward lawful OC, wehave a publicOC gathering in the jurisdiction in addition to contacting the department. At least, that's what we'd do if this happened in Michigan. Anything planned in E. Palo Alto?

I wish you guys much success in addressing this.
 

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Here are a few links to the story from a Google search for "Detective Tuason". There is also a link to the story on the Mercury News website posted on The Drudge Report...

Now the next time someone asks-- "What good is carrying around an unloaded gun?"

Well- in this case, it exposed the truth about one police officer's attitude towards our liberty and took the message of the perils ofCalifornia open carry nationwide- not only to gun forums, but other venues as well. It has engendered sympathy for California pro-gunners from liberty minded folks everywhere. While it is not possible to know with any certainty, the empty gunsof the Bay Area, may have saved lives in a future police encounter with police sharing Detective Tuason's mindset.

http://feralis.blogspot.com/2010/02/rod-tuason-praetorian.html

http://m.mercurynews.com/sjm/db_13180/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=853AEF4F4C0A3EBA088DFEFC06357A4E?contentguid=Bk3Ann3a&detailindex=3&pn=0&ps=5&full=true

http://concealedcarryforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20691

http://www.foxreno.com/news/22516072/detail.html

http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_14362331?nclick_check=1

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_14369325?source=most_viewed

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14725450

http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/89257-local-cop-advocates-shooting-law-abiding-gun-owners-back-facebook.html

http://brownvalleykingdom.blogspot.com/2010/02/real-funny-guy.html

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message986866/pg1

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/02/08/a-cop-a-god-complex-and-facebook-bad-combination/

http://www.ohioccw.org/201002104792/palo-alto-cop-shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off.html

http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/local-cop-advocates-provoking-and-shooting-legal-open-carry-gunowners-to-get-2-weeks-paid-leave/

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=168146&sid=d5c7a2d10c5703230c47aa581855028c

http://topics.treehugger.com/article/02FD5SU8dq5Qc

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=162327

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=143381

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/50028.html

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=504539

http://www.silobreaker.com/east-palo-alto-cop-takes-heat-for-facebook-remarks-5_2263220111324217370

http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/article/0fCe3FI2yxc4H

http://ingunowners.com/forums/carry_issues_and_self_defense/74866-ca_cop_shoot_open_carriers.html

http://sec.floridatoday.com/article/00sGg6I8vG2H8

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/forums/posts.aspx?postID=21557&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2449031/posts
 

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ConditionThree wrote:
Here are a few links to the story from a Google search for "Detective Tuason". There is also a link to the story on the Mercury News website posted on The Drudge Report...

Now the next time someone asks-- "What good is carrying around an unloaded gun?"

Well- in this case, it exposed the truth about one police officer's attitude towards our liberty and took the message of the perils ofCalifornia open carry nationwide- not only to gun forums, but other venues as well. It has engendered sympathy for California pro-gunners from liberty minded folks everywhere. While it is not possible to know with any certainty, the empty gunsof the Bay Area, may have saved lives in a future police encounter with police sharing Detective Tuason's mindset.

http://feralis.blogspot.com/2010/02/rod-tuason-praetorian.html

http://m.mercurynews.com/sjm/db_13180/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=853AEF4F4C0A3EBA088DFEFC06357A4E?contentguid=Bk3Ann3a&detailindex=3&pn=0&ps=5&full=true

http://concealedcarryforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20691

http://www.foxreno.com/news/22516072/detail.html

http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_14362331?nclick_check=1

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_14369325?source=most_viewed

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14725450

http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/89257-local-cop-advocates-shooting-law-abiding-gun-owners-back-facebook.html

http://brownvalleykingdom.blogspot.com/2010/02/real-funny-guy.html

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message986866/pg1

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/02/08/a-cop-a-god-complex-and-facebook-bad-combination/

http://www.ohioccw.org/201002104792/palo-alto-cop-shoot-a-gun-owner-get-2-weeks-off.html

http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/local-cop-advocates-provoking-and-shooting-legal-open-carry-gunowners-to-get-2-weeks-paid-leave/

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=168146&sid=d5c7a2d10c5703230c47aa581855028c

http://topics.treehugger.com/article/02FD5SU8dq5Qc

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=162327

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=143381

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/50028.html

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=504539

http://www.silobreaker.com/east-palo-alto-cop-takes-heat-for-facebook-remarks-5_2263220111324217370

http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/article/0fCe3FI2yxc4H

http://ingunowners.com/forums/carry_issues_and_self_defense/74866-ca_cop_shoot_open_carriers.html

http://sec.floridatoday.com/article/00sGg6I8vG2H8

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/forums/posts.aspx?postID=21557&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2449031/posts
Wow. And good points. While the "smarter" pro-gun folks than me continue to claim that UOCers are hurting the cause, personally I continue to see otherwise. The press that UOC is garnering is getting more and more favorable. Perhaps the nay-sayers are right, that the CA legislature is in a panic drafting more restrictions to 12025 and 12031 as we speak, but just maybe we'll be able to block that legislation with enough support. Further, with Incorporation only 4 months away, how could the legislature act faster than that?
 

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If that's his rig, he is parked illegaly. Too far from the curb and blocking a driveway. OOPS! Forgot, he is above the law.
 

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Part II, Article 2, Section 211.3, of the Model Penal Code

"A person is guilty of the third degree if he threatens to commit any crime of violance with the purpose to rerroize another or to cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation, or otherwise to cause serious public inconvenience, or in reckless disregard of the risk causing such terror or inconvenience"


I'm sure that is very similar to California Law.
 

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aadvark wrote:
Honestly, I would not expect anything better out of any urban California Police Officer, however; I would expect better out of a rural California Police Officer.

For some reason, urban Officers think that they are above the Law.

If I were the District Attorney James P Fox, of San Mateo County in the East Palo Alto Area, I would send a letter to The East Palo Alto Police Deaprtment reminding them that such statements could be considered a Crime.

More specifically: California Penal Code 422, which provides, further:

-422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety
or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.

For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
"Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to,
telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
the United States Code.

Looks like a UOC resident form East Palo Alto should go to the District Attorney and ask for charges to be filled, oviously the police department is not going to uphold the law.
 
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