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    It seems open carry is the subject of a Seattle Times article this fine day.

    Brady Campaign circulates petition to keep guns out of Starbucks


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    The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is asking people to sign a petition telling Starbucks to keep guns out of its shops, because they say they can't get a straight answer out of the Seattle company about its gun policy. The petition has more than 15,000 signatures.

    "Our California activists are responding to the activities of Open Carry activists in the Bay Area, who noticed Open Carry demonstrations at Peet's, California Pizza Kitchen and Starbucks," said Doug Pennington, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign.

    OpenCarry.org describes itself as "a pro-gun Internet community focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life." They sometimes meet in public places to exercise their right to carry unconcealed guns.

    When the Brady Campaign asked each company for its gun policies, Peet's Coffee and California Pizza Kitchen promptly issued notices that guns are not allowed -- either at all or on display -- in their shops unless you're a police officer.

    Starbucks hasn't done that. "So far, Starbucks hasn't said what seems to be an obvious kind of policy, that 'no guns are allowed in our stores unless you're a police officer,'" Pennington said.

    In a written statement, the company said, "For Starbucks, the safety of our customers and partners is our paramount concern. We have existing security protocols in place to handle situations related to safety in our stores. We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue."

    Based on that, it's hard to know whether Starbucks allows guns in shops or not. But if it's going strictly by the law, then in many states including Washington, it does allow unconcealed firearms.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I vote we circulate our own petition. We can sign it ourselves, and blow their 15,000 signatures out of the water

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    Um, a petition... to force a privately owned company... to do something that the company has the choice to do or not do...

    Lets make a petition to "force" the brady campaign to stop trying to force companies to make their own decisions...

    What makes them think that Starbucks isn't FREE to decide what policies they have?

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    I htink a petition our our part would be beneficial, as long as it isn;t presented as a demand. More presented as support and encouragement to follow state law wherever they have stores.
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    Starbucks hasn't done that. "So far, Starbucks hasn't said what seems to be an obvious kind of policy, that 'no guns are allowed in our stores unless you're a police officer,'" Pennington said.
    Er, excuse me? What seems to be an obvious policy? What country do we live in again? I forget.

    Apparently nobody's ever said "the obvious" 'If you don't like it you can leave' to Pennington.

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    these post are confusing me,,,,,

    starbucks corp policy is clear,, when it comes to guns,, they follow state law!!

    starbucks has been very supportive of our 2A rights.

    if any kind of a pettition is circulated, it should be a great big thank you to starbucks for supporting the constitution! and about 25000 signatures!
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    1245A Defender wrote:
    these post are confusing me,,,,,

    starbucks corp policy is clear,, when it comes to guns,, they follow state law!!

    starbucks has been very supportive of our 2A rights.

    if any kind of a pettition is circulated, it should be a great big thank you to starbucks for supporting the constitution! and about 25000 signatures!
    Out of 80+ million firearm owners, we should be able to get at least 80,000 signatures of thank you.


    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Somebody set it up. I'll be happy to sign it and point others in that direction.
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    Bookman wrote:
    Somebody set it up. I'll be happy to sign it and point others in that direction.
    It's already set up.

    Starbucks Reverse Boycott Petition HERE
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    Whoa big fella! Why don't we just relax a minute here. Starbucks isn't the only store around that is OC friendly. Are you willing to do the same for ALL? Don't fall for the liberal agenda by reacting to the petition they're starting. They want us to react. Just sit tight and let them make fools of themselves; they're doing a pretty good job of it.

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    "Starbucks hasn't done that. 'So far, Starbucks hasn't said what seems to be an obvious kind of policy, that 'no guns are allowed in our stores unless you're a police officer,' Pennington said.

    "In a written statement, the company said, 'For Starbucks, the safety of our customers and partners is our paramount concern. We have existing security protocols in place to handle situations related to safety in our stores. We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue.'"

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    G-d forbid that Pennington or the Brady Campaign should actually do research. Of course, speaking the truth to their followers, who don't care about either truth or reality, or to the public is quite beyond them. They only cite statistics that have been massaged, rights that don't exist and their feelings. They assume that everyone else shares their feeling driven view of reality.

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    Just curious,does anyone have a idea how much business Starbucks recieved over the past week. I it is substantial, maybe Starbucks should write a "Thank You Letter" to the Brady Campaign.

    Just a idea.



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    Just Us wrote:
    Just curious,does anyone have a idea how much business Starbucks recieved over the past week. I it is substantial, maybe Starbucks should write a "Thank You Letter" to the Brady Campaign.

    Just a idea.

    I wish they would respond with a 'bump' in sales. But if they are a smart and savvy business they will be neutral on the whole idea. They really don't want to piss the pro 2a group or the anti 2a group off, it is not in their best interests in the long run. However, they do know the numbers 70 million coffee drinking gun owners and well a few thousand Brady nut jobs.
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    A little sarcasm, but your right.

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    Dave Ross had this opic on his show for about 15 minutes, of course he only had somebody from the brady campaign on so it was pretty one sided

    Starts at about 10:10am:

    http://icestream.bonnint.net/seattle...00210_10am.mp3

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    I guess I will go support Starbucks and their overpriced coffee...

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    judging from some of Mr. Ross comments, although I shouldn't be surprised, I will offer LESS support to KIRO news.

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    Remember when Ross hosted Almost Live and left to host the new Fox network's late night show, and then was quickly replaced by Arsenio Hall. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    Oh well back on topic. I told an employee at the Starbucks in Fred Meyer that I am now a customer for life she asked why. I told her because of Starbuck's refusal to kow-tow to Brady Campaign's intimidation to discriminate gun owners. She said "why would we? so many carry concealed anyway how are we ever going to know so why ban those who carry openly." She get's a plus one in my book, along with Starbucks.
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Remember when Ross hosted Almost Live and left to host the new Fox network's late night show, and then was quickly replaced by Arsenio Hall. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    Oh well back on topic. I told an employee at the Starbucks in Fred Meyer that I am now a customer for life she asked why. I told her because of Starbuck's refusal to kow-tow to Brady Campaign's intimidation to discriminate gun owners. She said "why would we? so many carry concealed anyway how are we ever going to know so why ban those who carry openly." She get's a plus one in my book, along with Starbucks.
    WOW! and this from a 20 something female barista? There is hope out there afterall!
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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Just Us wrote:
    Just curious,does anyone have a idea how much business Starbucks recieved over the past week. I it is substantial, maybe Starbucks should write a "Thank You Letter" to the Brady Campaign.

    Just a idea.
    I wish they would respond with a 'bump' in sales. But if they are a smart and savvy business they will be neutral on the whole idea. They really don't want to piss the pro 2a group or the anti 2a group off, it is not in their best interests in the long run. However, they do know the numbers 70 million coffee drinking gun owners and well a few thousand Brady nut jobs.
    Well, if their stock price is any indicator, it has not hurt sales! Look at the gain from Feb. 5th to the 10th. :celebrate

    Also notice block F, the announcement about "Starbucks: Bring on the guns" and then the sharp increase in stock price over the next few days.


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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Remember when Ross hosted Almost Live and left to host the new Fox network's late night show, and then was quickly replaced by Arsenio Hall. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    Oh well back on topic. I told an employee at the Starbucks in Fred Meyer that I am now a customer for life she asked why. I told her because of Starbuck's refusal to kow-tow to Brady Campaign's intimidation to discriminate gun owners. She said "why would we? so many carry concealed anyway how are we ever going to know so why ban those who carry openly." She get's a plus one in my book, along with Starbucks.
    You OC'ed in Fred Meyer??? Last time I did that there were cops out in the parking lot looking for me. Starbucks may be OK with it but Freddie's definitely is not.

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    Richard6218 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Remember when Ross hosted Almost Live and left to host the new Fox network's late night show, and then was quickly replaced by Arsenio Hall. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    Oh well back on topic. I told an employee at the Starbucks in Fred Meyer that I am now a customer for life she asked why. I told her because of Starbuck's refusal to kow-tow to Brady Campaign's intimidation to discriminate gun owners. She said "why would we? so many carry concealed anyway how are we ever going to know so why ban those who carry openly." She get's a plus one in my book, along with Starbucks.
    You OC'ed in Fred Meyer??? Last time I did that there were cops out in the parking lot looking for me. Starbucks may be OK with it but Freddie's definitely is not.
    Richard I OC there almost everyday in Freddy's I never had a problem well one talk to with the manager who's security told her it was illegal for me to carry it openly, but we straightened that out and I haven't had a problem since, matter of fact they are all smiles when I am there.

    I think in your incident it was probably a MWAG by a scared patron or just bad timing the cops could have been there for another reason. Kroegers which own Freddy's follows state law. Oh and they just bought Haggen's so I am thinking that corporate policy should apply there also.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Remember when Ross hosted Almost Live ...
    Actually, we're talking about Dave Ross here. It was Ross Schafer that hosted Almost Live.

    Not surprised that Dave Ross would only give one side.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum thread.
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    Damn as soon as you said it I remembered. LOL...delete delete reset mind.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    SpyderTattoo wrote:
    Um, a petition...* to force a privately owned company...* to do something that the company has the choice to do or not do...**

    Lets make a petition to "force" the brady campaign to stop trying to force companies to make their own decisions...

    What makes them think that Starbucks isn't FREE to decide what policies they have?

    Insanity.
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