Question about banned weapons

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Thanks ghostrider.

Could you help me out just a bit more and show me where exactly that

law prohibits the carry of any concealed weapon

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as you have asserted.

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The second link Ghostrider provided applies to knives and guns. The first link applies to bludgeons and gas/aerosol weapons.

(1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess any of the following:

d) A blackjack, slungshot, billy, metallic knuckles, sand club, sand bag, or bludgeon.

(e) A device, weapon, cartridge, container, or contrivance designed to render a person temporarily or permanently disabled by the ejection, release, or emission of a gas or other substance.

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So, it seems, youcould be outside of the law if you used bear or wasp spray to defend yourself from a person. My argument would be that the bear/wasp spray can isn't designed for use against a person. But as somebody else posted it may be a federalviolation to use said substance in a manner that it wasn't designed for.

It doesn't specifically mention the illegality of concealing any of the listed items. It spells out that possession, whether concealed or not, is a felony.

Oh, it also exempts certain self-defense sprays:

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:

(a) A self-defense spray or foam device as defined in section 224d.

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So it would seem that a SD spray that falls within the limits specified in 224d would be your best, legal, option.

Bronson

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lawlessness wrote:

Thanks ghostrider.

Could you help me out just a bit more and show me where exactly that

law prohibits the carry of any concealed weapon

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as you have asserted.

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I see what your getting at. It prohibits carrying any dangerous weapon concealed. Also, there are other exceptions in the laws (IR seeing one for pepper spray). This thread was started asking about carrying an ASP, so that is the context in which I was replying.

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Bronson wrote:

The second link Ghostrider provided applies to knives and guns. The first link applies to bludgeons and gas/aerosol weapons.

(1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess any of the following:

d) A blackjack, slungshot, billy, metallic knuckles, sand club, sand bag, or bludgeon.

(e) A device, weapon, cartridge, container, or contrivance designed to render a person temporarily or permanently disabled by the ejection, release, or emission of a gas or other substance.

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So, it seems, youcould be outside of the law if you used bear or wasp spray to defend yourself from a person. My argument would be that the bear/wasp spray can isn't designed for use against a person. But as somebody else posted it may be a federalviolation to use said substance in a manner that it wasn't designed for.

It doesn't specifically mention the illegality of concealing any of the listed items. It spells out that possession, whether concealed or not, is a felony.

Oh, it also exempts certain self-defense sprays:

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:

(a) A self-defense spray or foam device as defined in section 224d.

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So it would seem that a SD spray that falls within the limits specified in 224d would be your best, legal, option.

Bronson

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The second link also applies to, "...any other dangerous weapon."

I couldn't find any definitions for "dangerous weapon", so it's up to each's own to decide if they want to be a test case.

Somehow, I'm thinking that things like an ASP wouldn't past muster with subsection (d) of 750.224.

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ASP's while very cool and useful are illegal to carry in Michigan unless you're a LEO.

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The second link also applies to, "...any other dangerous weapon."

I couldn't find any definitions for "dangerous weapon", so it's up to each's own to decide if they want to be a test case.

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FYI, In 1975 (People v Smith) the Michigan Supreme Court construed the phrase "other dangerous weapon" ,as used in this statute, to apply to stabbing weapons only. In 1989 ( People v Johnson) the court of appeals held that MCL 750.227(1) applies only to stabbing-type weapons and does not prohibit the carrying of an axe handle as a weapon.

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

T Vance wrote:

Michigander wrote:

If your situation, I would get some super duper powerful pepper spray, and use it on myself until I was confident with it that it wouldn't take me out of action if I got cross exposed. That would be my primary weapon, and the back up would be a mag light.

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Are you saying to use pepper spray on YOURSELF and try to build up a tolerance to it?

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:lol: I can imagine a pretty funny youtube video coming soon from Michigander...

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I'd like to see that myself!

Many years agosomeone I knowpulled a prank on a friend. He poured a decent amount of Dave's Insanity Hot Sauce onthis kidsupper lip area while he was passed out drunk. The "drunk" starting rubbing his hand on his upper lip while he was "sleeping", smearing the hot sauce into his notrals.

Let's just say he woke up soon after that and spent about 45 minutes under the kitchen sink trying to wash the pain away. He then went and tried to sleep it off in his car, but said he couldn't sleep since he was breathing fire for the next 2-3 hours. Good times!