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    Does anyone have the FOIA request from the Lansing and Battle Creek events yet?

    I'd very much like to review anything and everything if possible, and am willing to pich in cash to get that info, just don't see the need for many people to request the same info over and over.

    Please PM me either here or at MGO.

    thanks

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    Brian did a FOIA and I'm sure we'll all knowas soon ashe gets it.

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    That was what I thought... thanks Doug.
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    Thanks dougwg.

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    I did and I received a letter stating it will be over $100 and they want a $50 deposit to continue, which is allowed by law.

    MOC, Inc. will help with some of the cost and I will kick in $20. John will be asking members and participants of this forum to help as well. He will most likely start another thread on this.
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    I will donate once a way is setup.
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    Venator wrote:
    I did and I received a letter stating it will be over $100 and they want a $50 deposit to continue, which is allowed by law.

    MOC, Inc. will help with some of the cost and I will kick in $20. John will be asking members and participants of this forum to help as well. He will most likely start another thread on this.
    I intend to donate.

    Is this just the Lansing event FOIA, or is it also the BC FOIA?

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    I can donate $10. Just let me know how.

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I will donate once a way is setup.
    Me too.

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    Bronson wrote:
    autosurgeon wrote:
    I will donate once a way is setup.
    Me too.

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    I'm rather surprised they are asking for money. If they are extremely cash strapped, I can understand not being able to waste any resources. But that would also beg the question of why they sent all those officers to begin with.

    If a PD really wants to make up for a colossal screw up, I expect an utterly thorough FOIA done for free, with sweeping corrective measures put in place in a very fast manner. That is the very least I'd expect if a PD wants to be nice, and avoid law suits/color of law complaints/improper LEIN use complaints.

    But I wasn't at this one, so maybe I'm wrong. Am I out of line for thinking this way?
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    Michigander wrote:
    I'm rather surprised they are asking for money. If they are extremely cash strapped, I can understand not being able to waste any resources. But that would also beg the question of why they sent all those officers to begin with.

    If a PD really wants to make up for a colossal screw up, I expect an utterly thorough FOIA done for free, with sweeping corrective measures put in place in a very fast manner. That is the very least I'd expect if a PD wants to be nice, and avoid law suits/color of law complaints/improper LEIN use complaints.

    But I wasn't at this one, so maybe I'm wrong. Am I out of line for thinking this way?
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    This is standard procedure. My mom does these all the time.
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    It may be standard, but I want and expect better after cops ignorantly and maliciously trample my rights.

    For the lack of a better expression, I expect police departments that caused me to be wronged to bow down and kiss my ass. If they don't, my SOP is minimally a FOIA, then a FBI complaint, then a MSP LEIN complaint, and finally a complaint to the PD itself to rub salt back in the wound like they are trying to do to me.

    But again, just to be clear, I can't say I'd apply this sort of thinking to this case, because I wasn't there. Just trying to figure out why the FOIA fee is seen as being so acceptable.

    Another point of fact is in my personal experience how often police cover their asses by short changing FOIA's. I would not even consider paying half up front.
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    Michigander wrote:
    It may be standard, but I want and expect better after cops ignorantly and maliciously trample my rights.

    For the lack of a better expression, I expect police departments that caused me to be wronged to bow down and kiss my ass. If they don't, my SOP is minimally a FOIA, then a FBI complaint, then a MSP LEIN complaint, and finally a complaint to the PD itself to rub salt back in the wound like they are trying to do to me.*
    I agree ... I was just stating they are just going by the book.
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    autosurgeon wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    It may be standard, but I want and expect better after cops ignorantly and maliciously trample my rights.

    For the lack of a better expression, I expect police departments that caused me to be wronged to bow down and kiss my ass. If they don't, my SOP is minimally a FOIA, then a FBI complaint, then a MSP LEIN complaint, and finally a complaint to the PD itself to rub salt back in the wound like they are trying to do to me.
    I agree ... I was just stating they are just going by the book.
    So, how to deal with it?

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    oops

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    Unfortunately they have a legal obligation to stay expense neutral on FOIA. That is why the law states that the lowest paid person that is qualified must do the FOIA research.

    I don't think short of a court order due to hardship that a person can expect them to make exceptions. It comes down to if they do it for us then everyone will expect them free.
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    The officers themselves involved could cough up the cash, if they felt like going that route. I doubt the law says they can't pay it personally... maybe?
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    I'll pitch in ten. can i donate using paypal?

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    manicdevery wrote:
    I'll pitch in ten. can i donate using paypal?
    What about https://www.gunpal.net/gp

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    T Vance wrote:
    Any word on the Lansing FOIA?
    if its not brought to light,ill ask brian when me him and al meet up for dinner.
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    It just came in the mail today. One dash video was fairly decent. The other four or so showed nothing at all.

    The non-emergency audio verified what the Daughter of the owner said about the manager not wanting the police and the person on the phone stating, well since you called we HAVE to come. The manager said that the guy was nice and waiting for some friends and he wasn't a problem.

    Then she asks the 911 if they should send a car or not as she wasn't sure if it was legal to OC a rifle.

    I hope to get it to mikesilly for editing and posting soon.
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